The 8hr Diet?

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2012 11:00AM #1

Has anyone used this diet, have you any feedback, It seems pretty new.

Men/Womans health seem to be getting behind it. I've decided to try it for the next 7 days to see what happens, going to do all my eating between 1pm and 9pm. I usually skip breakfast anyway as i'm rarely hungry in the morning but I often eat late at night.

Linky:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120517131703.htm it still seems unproven in humans but it can't hurt it seems to make some sense in theory.

27-08-2012 11:00AM

pretty much standard 16/8 fasting, there's plenty of threads about it here

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2012 11:09AM

bluewolf wrote: »

pretty much standard 16/8 fasting, there's plenty of threads about it here

And what's the conclusion, any use for weight loss combined with a healthy diet?

scoob70 · 27-08-2012 11:17AM

"The take-home message," says Panda, "is that eating at regular times during the day and overnight fasting may prove to be beneficial, but, we will have to wait for human studies to prove this. (From link)

Seems to me this is the way we're suppose to eat - end of. Anything else is just a fad or excuse to eat what we want.

El_Dangeroso · 27-08-2012 12:18PM

Be careful if IF-ing if you are a woman. Seems to suit men way better. Women have reported increased belly fat, disturbed menstrual cycles and in my own case, bouts of rather unpleasant hypoglycaemia.

Bear in mind all research done to date has been done on men. Women do operate differently when it comes to fasting it would seem.

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2012 12:30PM

What are they saying it does for men? I'm just trying to know will I see any benefits.
Having my first bit of food in half an hour. I'd say I can easily manage this every day sticking to the 1 to 9 time zone.

What can you drink during the fasting hours? Just water?

Colibri · 27-08-2012 12:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are they saying it does for men? I'm just trying to know will I see any benefits.
Having my first bit of food in half an hour. I'd say I can easily manage this every day sticking to the 1 to 9 time zone.

What can you drink during the fasting hours? Just water?

Martin Berkhan, Brad Pilon and others say anything under 50 calories, but I'd just drink water if I were you, with some fresh lemon or something

27-08-2012 01:22PM

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Be careful if IF-ing if you are a woman. Seems to suit men way better. Women have reported increased belly fat, disturbed menstrual cycles and in my own case, bouts of rather unpleasant hypoglycaemia.

Bear in mind all research done to date has been done on men. Women do operate differently when it comes to fasting it would seem.

that would explain why lads are always on about how much more sharp and focused they are on it and i'm, well, not
i wouldn't say increased belly fat so far

El_Dangeroso · 27-08-2012 01:27PM

bluewolf wrote: »

that would explain why lads are always on about how much more sharp and focused they are on it and i'm, well, not
i wouldn't say increased belly fat so far

I didn't get belly fat either, but definitely a markedly diminished ability to function.

27-08-2012 01:57PM

did you do the 16/8? im sort of doing the 5:2, but im doing the fasting over 24 hours not 36

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2012 02:20PM

How's the 5:2 working out for you, I was looking at that as well any difference?

youtube! · 27-08-2012 02:26PM

cant see this or any other fad diet working, the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end of.

Hanley · 27-08-2012 02:37PM

youtube! wrote: »

cant see this or any other fad diet working, the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end of.

Tell it to your genes.

...of which you wouldn't have any if it was the case that "the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end ofend of".

daveirl · 27-08-2012 02:54PM

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El_Dangeroso · 27-08-2012 03:19PM

bluewolf wrote: »

did you do the 16/8? im sort of doing the 5:2, but im doing the fasting over 24 hours not 36

I basically just skipped breakfast every day. So first big meal at 12:30pm and then another at 7pm. Nothing again until next day.

One of the biggest things that suffered was sleep. Just could not get out of bed in the morning no matter how much I slept. I hate breakfast, but forcing myself to eat within 30 mins of waking ensures I wake up refreshed.

I did really enjoy it though, it was very convenient and as I said I don't like breakfast anyway so it was no sacrifice for me. Am annoyed it didn't work out long term.

youtube! · 27-08-2012 03:45PM

Hanley wrote: »

Tell it to your genes.

...of which you wouldn't have any if it was the case that "the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end ofend of".

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

El_Dangeroso · 27-08-2012 03:57PM

What are you on about? You don't need to go back that far in the past to see that the regular eating thing is very new indeed.

Most of our grandparents ate only 3 meals a day and never ever snacked. And they fasted a lot, during religious holidays, especially lent.

Nothing very new about this at all in the context of the last 100 years.

Please read around the forum before you start presuming you know what people are on about.

Colibri · 27-08-2012 04:00PM

youtube! wrote: »

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked

Your first point is number one on this list.

youtube! · 27-08-2012 04:08PM

Colibri wrote: »

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked

Your first point is number one on this list.

I am sure there are many counter-arguments to that whole ten points, right now I am busy to go search for them but they are there. All I will say I know from personal experience that diets dont work and there are many many real experts who agree.

youtube! · 27-08-2012 04:10PM

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

What are you on about? You don't need to go back that far in the past to see that the regular eating thing is very new indeed.

Most of our grandparents ate only 3 meals a day and never ever snacked. And they fasted a lot, during religious holidays, especially lent.

Nothing very new about this at all in the context of the last 100 years.

Please read around the forum before you start presuming you know what people are on about.

I did read the forum and was responding to a remark left by another poster who brought our genes in to it.

27-08-2012 04:21PM

This one isn't (just) about weight, it's about a whole host of other health factors which significantly improved during initial trials of this, along with extensive animal studies
really if you don't want to do it fine but at least be a bit more knowledgable than yelling "diets don't work"

El_Dangeroso · 27-08-2012 04:27PM

youtube! wrote: »

I am sure there are many counter-arguments to that whole ten points, right now I am busy to go search for them but they are there. All I will say I know from personal experience that diets dont work and there are many many real experts who agree.

What do you mean diets don't work? Everything you eat is a diet, that's pretty much what the word means. You're going to have to expand a bit on that.

Ant11 · 27-08-2012 04:29PM

Intermittent fasting isn't a diet. You take in the exact same amount of calories you would in your six meal a day plan. The only difference is the time frame from when the food is consumed.

Hanley · 27-08-2012 04:30PM

youtube! wrote: »

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

I'm not fat or unhealthy. Actually. Nor do I intermittent fast. But hey, why worry about facts?

My “gene” comment was in reference to our ancestors. Did they eat 6x per day? Please. Did anyone over the last 500 years? Please.

The ONLY reason small meals are better is because of diet adherence. In case you don't know what that means, it means ones ability to stick to a diet. There is NO metabolic advantage to eating the same number of kcals at different intervals. None.

You can eat balanced and nutritious meals while intermittent fasting, and train 4x per week for 50 minutes (where you got THOSE figures from is another issue).

In short, put down that book of conventional wisdom and accept that you don't know everything.

Colibri · 27-08-2012 04:38PM

I am not going to say anything because it's already been said. I must say though, it's a great discussion with both sides of the argument in full swing

gotta save this! Good stuff guys

Gummy Panda · 27-08-2012 04:45PM

I remember watching a documentary on Channel 4 about britain's fattest man. He was referred to Shaw Somers, one of the UK's leading bariatric surgeons. Shaw said that one of the biggest issues with obesity is this media image that we must avoid hungry and snack all the time.

People shouldn't be afraid of being hungry. Also the focus and sharpness during IF is kinda cool.

youtube! · 27-08-2012 04:46PM

Colibri wrote: »

I am not going to say anything because it's already been said. I must say though, it's a great discussion with both sides of the argument in full swing gotta save this! Good stuff guys

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

Gummy Panda · 27-08-2012 04:51PM

youtube! wrote: »

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

Intermittent fasting has been studied on humans since the 1960s. Leangains is just a method of packaging it into a sale able product.

Colibri · 27-08-2012 04:52PM

youtube! wrote: »

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

If you've seen other discussions in different forums (other than boards.ie), you'll see that this is a nice discussion with room for both opinions

What thousands of studies? I'd love to see them.

youtube! · 27-08-2012 05:04PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Intermittent fasting has been studied on humans since the 1960s. Leangains is just a method of packaging it into a sale able product.

.... and therein lies the rub. So let me get this straight you people believe that you can eat any old junk you like as long as its just for 8 hours and no more than 50 cals over the next 16? Oh and then buy this guys product? Good luck with that folks,no wonder the diet industry is a multi-billion dollar affair.

Colibri · 27-08-2012 05:10PM

youtube! wrote: »

.... and therein lies the rub. So let me get this straight you people believe that you can eat any old junk you like as long as its just for 8 hours and no more than 50 cals over the next 16? Oh and then buy this guys product? Good luck with that folks,no wonder the diet industry is a multi-billion dollar affair.

Who said anything about eating junk food? Nobody would on this forum. Also there is no need to be buying anyone's product. Martin Berkhan, Brad Pilon, 2 Meal Mike, etc. etc. all advocate intermittent fasting and provide the information 100% freely. They have products to sell, but that's because most of them are also personal trainers/dietitians and are selling their own products.

Intermittent fasting is a horrible business model, there's no way it could contribute to a multi billion dollar industry. Leave that to McD's, Burger King, Kellogs, Nestle, etc. promoting their "healthy" whole grain snacks and cereals and low fat meals.

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