The 8hr Diet?

drunkmonkey

Has anyone used this diet, have you any feedback, It seems pretty new.

Men/Womans health seem to be getting behind it. I've decided to try it for the next 7 days to see what happens, going to do all my eating between 1pm and 9pm. I usually skip breakfast anyway as i'm rarely hungry in the morning but I often eat late at night.

Linky:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120517131703.htm it still seems unproven in humans but it can't hurt it seems to make some sense in theory.

pretty much standard 16/8 fasting, there's plenty of threads about it here

drunkmonkey

bluewolf wrote: »

pretty much standard 16/8 fasting, there's plenty of threads about it here

And what's the conclusion, any use for weight loss combined with a healthy diet?

scoob70

"The take-home message," says Panda, "is that eating at regular times during the day and overnight fasting may prove to be beneficial, but, we will have to wait for human studies to prove this. (From link)

Seems to me this is the way we're suppose to eat - end of. Anything else is just a fad or excuse to eat what we want.

El_Dangeroso

Be careful if IF-ing if you are a woman. Seems to suit men way better. Women have reported increased belly fat, disturbed menstrual cycles and in my own case, bouts of rather unpleasant hypoglycaemia.

Bear in mind all research done to date has been done on men. Women do operate differently when it comes to fasting it would seem.

drunkmonkey

What are they saying it does for men? I'm just trying to know will I see any benefits.
Having my first bit of food in half an hour. I'd say I can easily manage this every day sticking to the 1 to 9 time zone.


What can you drink during the fasting hours? Just water?

Colibri

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are they saying it does for men? I'm just trying to know will I see any benefits.
Having my first bit of food in half an hour. I'd say I can easily manage this every day sticking to the 1 to 9 time zone.


What can you drink during the fasting hours? Just water?

Martin Berkhan, Brad Pilon and others say anything under 50 calories, but I'd just drink water if I were you, with some fresh lemon or something

El_Dangeroso

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Be careful if IF-ing if you are a woman. Seems to suit men way better. Women have reported increased belly fat, disturbed menstrual cycles and in my own case, bouts of rather unpleasant hypoglycaemia.

Bear in mind all research done to date has been done on men. Women do operate differently when it comes to fasting it would seem.

that would explain why lads are always on about how much more sharp and focused they are on it and i'm, well, not
i wouldn't say increased belly fat so far

El_Dangeroso

bluewolf wrote: »

that would explain why lads are always on about how much more sharp and focused they are on it and i'm, well, not
i wouldn't say increased belly fat so far

I didn't get belly fat either, but definitely a markedly diminished ability to function.

did you do the 16/8? im sort of doing the 5:2, but im doing the fasting over 24 hours not 36

drunkmonkey

How's the 5:2 working out for you, I was looking at that as well any difference?

youtube!

cant see this or any other fad diet working, the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end of.

Hanley

youtube! wrote: »

cant see this or any other fad diet working, the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end of.

Tell it to your genes.

...of which you wouldn't have any if it was the case that "the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end ofend of".

daveirl

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El_Dangeroso

bluewolf wrote: »

did you do the 16/8? im sort of doing the 5:2, but im doing the fasting over 24 hours not 36

I basically just skipped breakfast every day. So first big meal at 12:30pm and then another at 7pm. Nothing again until next day.

One of the biggest things that suffered was sleep. Just could not get out of bed in the morning no matter how much I slept. I hate breakfast, but forcing myself to eat within 30 mins of waking ensures I wake up refreshed.

I did really enjoy it though, it was very convenient and as I said I don't like breakfast anyway so it was no sacrifice for me. Am annoyed it didn't work out long term.

youtube!

Hanley wrote: »

Tell it to your genes.

...of which you wouldn't have any if it was the case that "the metabolism needs regular healthy foods at regular intervals,end ofend of".

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

El_Dangeroso

What are you on about? You don't need to go back that far in the past to see that the regular eating thing is very new indeed.

Most of our grandparents ate only 3 meals a day and never ever snacked. And they fasted a lot, during religious holidays, especially lent.

Nothing very new about this at all in the context of the last 100 years.

Please read around the forum before you start presuming you know what people are on about.

Colibri

youtube! wrote: »

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked


Your first point is number one on this list.

youtube!

Colibri wrote: »

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked


Your first point is number one on this list.

I am sure there are many counter-arguments to that whole ten points, right now I am busy to go search for them but they are there. All I will say I know from personal experience that diets dont work and there are many many real experts who agree.

youtube!

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

What are you on about? You don't need to go back that far in the past to see that the regular eating thing is very new indeed.

Most of our grandparents ate only 3 meals a day and never ever snacked. And they fasted a lot, during religious holidays, especially lent.

Nothing very new about this at all in the context of the last 100 years.

Please read around the forum before you start presuming you know what people are on about.

I did read the forum and was responding to a remark left by another poster who brought our genes in to it.

This one isn't (just) about weight, it's about a whole host of other health factors which significantly improved during initial trials of this, along with extensive animal studies
really if you don't want to do it fine but at least be a bit more knowledgable than yelling "diets don't work"

El_Dangeroso

youtube! wrote: »

I am sure there are many counter-arguments to that whole ten points, right now I am busy to go search for them but they are there. All I will say I know from personal experience that diets dont work and there are many many real experts who agree.

What do you mean diets don't work? Everything you eat is a diet, that's pretty much what the word means. You're going to have to expand a bit on that.

Ant11

Intermittent fasting isn't a diet. You take in the exact same amount of calories you would in your six meal a day plan. The only difference is the time frame from when the food is consumed.

Hanley

youtube! wrote: »

Ok you stick to your fad diets ,long term I am sure you will be very happy

(as well as unheahlty and overweight)

Let me explain,the point I am trying to make is that your metabolism my metabolism and anyone else's does need healthy foods at regular intervals to function properly. I know there have been many times in out evolutionary past when we starved because of the lack of foods,so I know the metabolism can adapt and cope,but why bother these days,its not as if food is not readily available.

Just because we can starve ourselves for 16 hrs a day doesnt mean it is good for us. Just because this particular "diet" (see the clue is in the word right there "diet", diets dont work been proved over and over and over) may show short term results does not mean it will show long term positive results infact you can be absolutely sure of one thing,any weight you may have lost will be right back on your waistline....and then some.

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins. Then you will come down to a normal healthy weight and as long as you keep this as your normal routine you will not regain the weight.

I'm not fat or unhealthy. Actually. Nor do I intermittent fast. But hey, why worry about facts?

My “gene” comment was in reference to our ancestors. Did they eat 6x per day? Please. Did anyone over the last 500 years? Please.

The ONLY reason small meals are better is because of diet adherence. In case you don't know what that means, it means ones ability to stick to a diet. There is NO metabolic advantage to eating the same number of kcals at different intervals. None.

You can eat balanced and nutritious meals while intermittent fasting, and train 4x per week for 50 minutes (where you got THOSE figures from is another issue).

In short, put down that book of conventional wisdom and accept that you don't know everything.

Colibri

I am not going to say anything because it's already been said. I must say though, it's a great discussion with both sides of the argument in full swing gotta save this! Good stuff guys

Gummy Panda

I remember watching a documentary on Channel 4 about britain's fattest man. He was referred to Shaw Somers, one of the UK's leading bariatric surgeons. Shaw said that one of the biggest issues with obesity is this media image that we must avoid hungry and snack all the time.

People shouldn't be afraid of being hungry. Also the focus and sharpness during IF is kinda cool.

youtube!

Colibri wrote: »

I am not going to say anything because it's already been said. I must say though, it's a great discussion with both sides of the argument in full swing gotta save this! Good stuff guys

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

Gummy Panda

youtube! wrote: »

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

Intermittent fasting has been studied on humans since the 1960s. Leangains is just a method of packaging it into a sale able product.

Colibri

youtube! wrote: »

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

If you've seen other discussions in different forums (other than boards.ie), you'll see that this is a nice discussion with room for both opinions

What thousands of studies? I'd love to see them.

youtube!

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Intermittent fasting has been studied on humans since the 1960s. Leangains is just a method of packaging it into a sale able product.

.... and therein lies the rub. So let me get this straight you people believe that you can eat any old junk you like as long as its just for 8 hours and no more than 50 cals over the next 16? Oh and then buy this guys product? Good luck with that folks,no wonder the diet industry is a multi-billion dollar affair.

Colibri

youtube! wrote: »

.... and therein lies the rub. So let me get this straight you people believe that you can eat any old junk you like as long as its just for 8 hours and no more than 50 cals over the next 16? Oh and then buy this guys product? Good luck with that folks,no wonder the diet industry is a multi-billion dollar affair.

Who said anything about eating junk food? Nobody would on this forum. Also there is no need to be buying anyone's product. Martin Berkhan, Brad Pilon, 2 Meal Mike, etc. etc. all advocate intermittent fasting and provide the information 100% freely. They have products to sell, but that's because most of them are also personal trainers/dietitians and are selling their own products.

Intermittent fasting is a horrible business model, there's no way it could contribute to a multi billion dollar industry. Leave that to McD's, Burger King, Kellogs, Nestle, etc. promoting their "healthy" whole grain snacks and cereals and low fat meals.

youtube!

Ok I will climb down a bit I presumed wrongly that this was an 8 hr eat all you want type fad diet.:o Maybe there are merits to Intermittent fasting but speaking from personal experience what has worked well for me has been really quite simple and that is to eat a balanced diet regularly with plenty of exercise.

drunkmonkey

youtube! wrote: »

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.... and therein lies the rub. So let me get this straight you people believe that you can eat any old junk you like as long as its just for 8 hours and no more than 50 cals over the next 16? Oh and then buy this guys product? Good luck with that folks,no wonder the diet industry is a multi-billion dollar affair.

I don't think it's a scam, the research is for our own use and is free to take and a lot of people on mens health are linking to leangains and he doesn't seem to be doing it for profit as I can't see him selling anything www.Leangains.com , I'll come back in about 12 week and tell you if it's a load of cobblers or not.

Colibri

youtube! wrote: »

Ok I will climb down a bit I presumed wrongly that this was an 8 hr eat all you want type fad diet.:o Maybe there are merits to Intermittent fasting but speaking from personal experience what has worked well for me has been really quite simple and that is to eat a balanced diet regularly with plenty of exercise.

It's all gravy!

To be fair too, I would imagine some people would think it's okay to eat all they want during a feeding window to make up for the lost calories

I love discussions

Chancer3001

Youtubes original comment has to be one of the most ignorant Ive seen in a long long time.

Most of the corrections have already been pointed out.

My advice would be to try it. Especially if what youve tried before hasnt worked.

The majority of people trying it here seem to be having quite good results with it as am I.

The science behind it looks solid. The old "regular meals", "slow your metabolism", "eat whole grains", "skinny people eat Speical K" etc etc has been debunked numerous times.

youtube!

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Youtubes original comment has to be one of the most ignorant Ive seen in a long long time.

Most of the corrections have already been pointed out.

My advice would be to try it. Especially if what youve tried before hasnt worked.

The majority of people trying it here seem to be having quite good results with it as am I.

The science behind it looks solid. The old "regular meals", "slow your metabolism", "eat whole grains", "skinny people eat Speical K" etc etc has been debunked numerous times.

Do you know what, I have my own opinion supported by good science.
I eat a sensible diet which is working very well over the last 6months, I am losing weight very gradually but absolutely steadily, so less of you calling me ignorant, you got that?

Chancer3001

diets dont work been proved over and over and over

The only thing that definitely works long term is to eat balanced nutritious foods and to exercise 4 times a week for at least 50 mins.


There is zero science to back either of these things up.

Diet does work. Diet is what you eat. Dieting for losing weight means a calorie deficit. For bulking means caloric surplus. Of course that works.

4 times a week for 50mins plus?? Complete nonsense.

Sounds like it could be ok depending on what youre doing, but there are millions of different ways to structure your workouts that could be less/more frequent and for varying times that would be just as effective.

accensi0n

http://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/8-hour-diet

You can eat whatever you want! :

'Note: You don’t have to change what you eat. Just when you eat it.'

'you don’t have to change even one food you’re eating now'


But make sure you eat like this... :

'Emphasize: Lean protein, fiber, healthy (mono- and polyunsaturated) fats, brightly colored fruits and vegetables'

'Limit: Refined carbohydrates such as baked goods; sugar; white bread, rice, and pasta; saturated and trans fats; high-fructose corn syrup'

'Beverages: Dramatically reduce your calorie intake by drinking more water and skipping sugary drinks. Limit alcohol to two or three drinks per week to maximize your results.'



So...you can eat whatever you want..as long as you're already eating pretty healthily already.

siochain

youtube! wrote: »

seems only to be one side..and then my conventional wisdom (otherwise translated as thousands and thousands of properly qualified nutritionists and proper science backed study) not some body builder with a fancy website or the latest copy of" Diet weekly".

Sorry but your way off, all the proper science backed studies are proving that giving the body regular breaks from processing foods is highly beneficial to health.

looperman1000

youtube! wrote: »

Do you know what, I have my own opinion supported by good science.
I eat a sensible diet which is working very well over the last 6months, I am losing weight very gradually but absolutely steadily, so less of you calling me ignorant, you got that?

Sorry matey but i agree with chancer and siochain. So far so good. Its working out splendidly for me. Im on it 2 weeks now. Eating clean, and no junk food here bar the one cheat meal a week i allow myself.
Id love to know all these nutritionists and health professionals you talk of.
The BBC tv programme was quite comprehensive in its findings to do with IF.
Its been tested and been around a long time.
I dont also agree with the rigid 4 times a week working out at 50 mins. A lot of fitness magazine even tell you, you dont need to be in the gym even that long!
Just my tuppence worth

youtube!

I have been following this

http://www.nutritionandhealth.ie/Sectors/NHF/NHF.nsf/vPages/Eat_Smart~food-pyramid?OpenDocument

for a while now and it is defintely working,though I admit slowly.

Its just what anyone including my GP reccommends. But you guys seem to know what your on about too...

:(Oh I dont know anymore just ignore me and apologies for my ignorance.

siochain

The food pyramid is out of date, unfortunately so too are GP's and most gym instructors.

In fact most GP’s are out of date in all areas of health unless they are one of the younger open minded generation.

GP’s in most cases are pharmacist’s that work in an office as opposed to a
chemist.

Food Pyramid update as of 2012

Chancer3001

why are fruits so bad on that one!?

get more fat and oil than fruit?!

fats and oils are good for you. portion sizing is important.

Sugar is terrible for you.

A lot of fruits have high percentages of sugar, so are best to be eaten in moderation as part of meals as opposed to snacks. (Though an apple is always favourable to a twix!)

A lot more answers here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055157091

Chancer3001

hmmm, refined sugar from sugar cane is horrible for you without doubt.

Dont think fruit sugars fall into that category.

Ant11

Chancer3001 wrote: »

hmmm, refined sugar from sugar cane is horrible for you without doubt.

Dont think fruit sugars fall into that category.

The sugar in fruit always confused me. The other day I had my sweet potatoe with my dinner and after it I ate an apple and banana. I then checked myfitnesspal and noticed my sugar level was in the red. Does this mean I'm taking in too much sugar?? Myfitnesspal have my rda sugar at 34. I had 250g of sweet potatoe which is 21g sugar according to mfp and then the banana n apple was 14g each.

El_Dangeroso

Nah, whole fruit is fine. Unless your trying to get to super low body fat I severely doubt anyone stalls from fruit. In fact your more likely to lose weight eating more fruit than less.

Just don't drink fruit juices or smoothies, that's a whole different animal.

Ant11

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Nah, whole fruit is fine. Unless your trying to get to super low body fat I severely doubt anyone stalls from fruit. In fact your more likely to lose weight eating more fruit than less.

Just don't drink fruit juices or smoothies, that's a whole different animal.

Ah that's grand so, cheers. The fruit is handy for getting carbs up as there's only so much sweet potatoe a man can eat.

Chancer3001

im trying to keep my fruit lowish these days because there are a fair few carbs in it.

Smoothies you make yourself are grand surely!?

Ant11

Chancer3001 wrote: »

im trying to keep my fruit lowish these days because there are a fair few carbs in it.

Smoothies you make yourself are grand surely!?

Do you not take carbs in on training days?