Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

daithijjj · 27-08-2012 01:45AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Its very easy to extract certain numbers and pad them how you want.

Signing on fee or not Cole is costing the club $90k per week and it was a crazy deal

If you argue that he's on less well that's good isn't it? Comparing him to Kevin Nolan, do you think Cole should be on more than Nolan who plays every week?

As for the 'increase wages' , have they not done so?

Aren't players like Suarez and Skrtel on increased wages with their new contracts? I'm sure Agger will be too soon.

They have always said that they wanted value in contracts so getting rid of high earners who contribute little is good practise to me.

Also why the obsession with wages? Having a higher wage bill does not guarantee success. In fact LFC have often had a higher wage bill than Utd.

To compare the finances of the club under Moores to today is laughable.

Moores ran the club like an amateur and did not maximise the clubs revenue potential and then sold us to H&G.

Your comment in the other post about Keith Hill is strange.

A lot can happen in 3 years and every case is diifferent.

After all, if someone had told me in 1990 that LFC would not have won the title again in 22 years I'd have laughed at them.

I'd also have laughed at them if I'd been told that Kenny would leave the following year and come back and win the title with Blackburn.

In 2009 I would never believe that we'd finished 7th the following year and not qualify for CL for at least 3 years.

No doubt Rodgers has a lot to prove but I think you should accept that he could be the right person. Maybe, just maybe we've got an up and coming manager at the right time.

The owners didn't just appoint them on their own but sought advice from other football people.
I think they should be afforded the time to see how their policies for this season pan out and don't forget that it's less than 2 years since they bought the club.

We have a different outlook on things, lets leave it there.

daithijjj · 27-08-2012 01:47AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who said anything about a nice balane sheet? In 3 years time I'd like to support a financial stable football club, not some football club a few days away from administration because the owners were complete fools.

I never held any owner to account for 'spade in the ground' or whatever say he came out with. I pay little attention to what owners say - 90% of it is bull****/spin. The same with players and managers. I much prefer paying attention to what they do instead.

Of course it's to do with normality. Selling Torres for £50m was exceptional. When the Torres sale and the stadium costs are taken out we still made a £34m loss. Who gives a toss if it would be included in the FFPR or not.

The fact Harry Kewell got that much just highlights how poorly the club was run 10 years ago. Also the fact Nolan was on more weekly in the Championship means nothing to mean, probably explains why that club was in the championship. I'm delighted the days of over-paying for players is over, seems your not though so fair enough.

Im sorry but i really have no idea why i engaged with you on this, you havent a clue.

Chucky the tree · 27-08-2012 01:51AM

daithijjj wrote: »

Im sorry but i really have no idea why i engaged with you on this, you havent a clue.

From you? :pac:

Vicxas · 27-08-2012 07:05AM

Overall I was pleased with our performance yesterday (glaring mistakes aside)

We were dominant in midfield, our pressing was fantastic and we took the game at our pace, it was refreshing to see us hungry for more goals once we scored, as opposed to what we used to do, sit back and let the pressure build.

Borini, Sterling and Allen were amazing and Gerrard bossed the midfield like days of old. Suarez was exceptional and that free kick gave me goosebumps.

I know it was only 1 point but that was against the champions of England. So overall im happy

Dickerty · 27-08-2012 08:17AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's TV, there will be an arc. I'd bet anything the next bit of this episode will show Sterling knuckling down and then a little montage of goals/assists in training, and some encouragement yelled by Rodgers from the touchline, followed by bits of the interview in which Rodgers says how much Sterling has come on after just a few weeks working in the new system.

It's true, it needs a montage.
Even Rocky had a montage...

The Chessplayer · 27-08-2012 08:58AM

Anyone got a highlights link for yesterday? Cheers

Dickerty · 27-08-2012 09:05AM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Anyone got a highlights link for yesterday? Cheers

Check 101 Great Goals, always has multiple highlights and goals footage (usually non-English)...

Vicxas · 27-08-2012 09:19AM

SSN will probably be running highlights at the top of the hour all afternoon if you get a chance

cloptrop · 27-08-2012 09:19AM

People are starting to say suarez was amazing . That has changed from when people were watching the match .
Is this selective happy memories or is it just people who only seen the goals.
He was getting cursed in the match thread for most of the game.

Luckycharms_74 · 27-08-2012 09:20AM

Rogers has mentioned in yesterdays interview that we are short in the squad and we need to bring a few players in. We know striker is a priority, what other positions you like to see strengthened ?

Luckycharms_74 · 27-08-2012 09:20AM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Anyone got a highlights link for yesterday? Cheers

http://www.footytube.com/video/liverpool-manchester-city-aug26-126830

jebidiah · 27-08-2012 09:22AM

Match of he day highlights.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/liverpool-2-manchester-city-2-motd/

Kirby · 27-08-2012 09:26AM

Saurez playing like a donkey aside, that was a very impressive performance from Liverpool in my opinion, especially considering Lucas had to go off so early. You kept the ball well, pressed and harried City brilliantly and looked especially dangerous when Sterling had the ball.

Add Sahin to the mix and it will no doubt be a good season for Liverpool. Not top 4 but much superior to last season. There is no way a team that good should be finishing 8th.

As an aside, am I the only one who thinks Saurez would be much more effective on the right wing instead of the middle? He can't finish for toffee so why not make use of his brilliant feet by letting him take on a fullback 1v1 over and over again. Teams would double up and that just creates space for the rest of the team.

Milkers · 27-08-2012 09:33AM

Kirby wrote: »

As an aside, am I the only one who thinks Saurez would be much more effective on the right wing instead of the middle? He can't finish for toffee so why not make use of his brilliant feet by letting him take on a fullback 1v1 over and over again. Teams would double up and that just creates space for the rest of the team.

No you are not. In fact at this stage it seems kind of obvious to me, I suppose the problem is at the moment we don't have a better option in the middle?

Dickerty · 27-08-2012 09:34AM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Rogers has mentioned in yesterdays interview that we are short in the squad and we need to bring a few players in. We know striker is a priority, what other positions you like to see strengthened ?

I think an experienced midfielder (squad) and a young striker.
Could be Dempsey and Sturridge, I think an Assaidi-like surprise could be on the cards though.

After yesterday, Adam has to know that he needs to move. Spearing should have known before yesterday. With Lucas injured, that would leave our midfield with Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Henderson and Shelvey. I think Rodgers would want 6 there, he said it was the most important part of the side.

What about that Pirlo fella? He's ok, for an oul lad...

Vicxas · 27-08-2012 09:38AM

Any word on Lucas' injury?

LuckyLloyd · 27-08-2012 09:40AM

daithijj's point seems quite simple to me:

- under Moores our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) was X;
- Moores ran the club extremely poorly and failed to adjust to the Premiership era BUT we were not in immediate danger of Administration;
- H & G came in with a debt leveraged buyout, improved commercial side of club slightly, nearly ran us into Administration when credit crunch killed their business model (a bit simplistic, but hey);
- FSG came in and cleared debt meaning club is safe from Administration;
- FSG have been lauded for huge leaps forward in commercial revenue acquirement;
- under FSG our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) is now Y;

From a fan's perspective, it should be Y > X by a decent margin, otherwise all this rubbish about improving the commercial side of the club is an irrelevance.

In that regard, the actions of the owners should be clear and unequivocal. Their language has been clearer than their actions to date imo.

jesus_thats_gre · 27-08-2012 09:46AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

daithijj's point seems quite simple to me:

- under Moores our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) was X;
- Moores ran the club extremely poorly and failed to adjust to the Premiership era BUT we were not in immediate danger of Administration;
- H & G came in with a debt leveraged buyout, improved commercial side of club slightly, nearly ran us into Administration when credit crunch killed their business model (a bit simplistic, but hey);
- FSG came in and cleared debt meaning club is safe from Administration;
- FSG have been lauded for huge leaps forward in commercial revenue acquirement;
- under FSG our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) is now Y;

From a fan's perspective, it should be Y > X by a decent margin, otherwise all this rubbish about improving the commercial side of the club is an irrelevance.

In that regard, the actions of the owners should be clear and unequivocal. Their language has been clearer than their actions to date imo.

How does it feel being wrong though, eh?

Dickerty · 27-08-2012 09:47AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Any word on Lucas' injury?

Defo not his knee, a small twinge in his thigh. Would definately suggest not rushing him back, and not such a need to either with Sahin to come in.

Looking forward to Arsenal already. That should be a very interesting game, both teams looking to hod onto the ball. If anything, they should let us have it, while we hurry them a little more.

Wonder if there will be any Sahin/Podolski afters?

LuckyLloyd · 27-08-2012 09:52AM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

How does it feel being wrong though, eh?

I was watching Jerry Maguire last night and I would be happiest if there was a Cuba Gooding Jr. type in Boston hollering "SHOW ME THE MONEY" at Henry and Werner every chance he got.

Vicxas · 27-08-2012 09:57AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Defo not his knee, a small twinge in his thigh. Would definately suggest not rushing him back, and not such a need to either with Sahin to come in.

Looking forward to Arsenal already. That should be a very interesting game, both teams looking to hod onto the ball. If anything, they should let us have it, while we hurry them a little more.

Wonder if there will be any Sahin/Podolski afters?

To be honest, we did very very well without lucas yesterday. Ill be happy if we can have a decent season even when hes injured.

whatawaster · 27-08-2012 09:58AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

daithijj's point seems quite simple to me:

- under Moores our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) was X;
- Moores ran the club extremely poorly and failed to adjust to the Premiership era BUT we were not in immediate danger of Administration;
- H & G came in with a debt leveraged buyout, improved commercial side of club slightly, nearly ran us into Administration when credit crunch killed their business model (a bit simplistic, but hey);
- FSG came in and cleared debt meaning club is safe from Administration;
- FSG have been lauded for huge leaps forward in commercial revenue acquirement;
- under FSG our investment power in the squad (Transfer Fees + Wages) is now Y;

From a fan's perspective, it should be Y > X by a decent margin, otherwise all this rubbish about improving the commercial side of the club is an irrelevance.

In that regard, the actions of the owners should be clear and unequivocal. Their language has been clearer than their actions to date imo.

You might think Y should be greater than X, but:

- The club was not on steady ground under Moores IIRC. I can't remember us ever making profits, we were constantly in the red and leaking money.
- FSG inherited a massively bloated wage bill. So again the club was making large losses even without the burden of debt repayments. As of 1 year ago, the club had a structural loss of more than 30 million. Transfer spend of Y under FSG cannot be taken in isolation. We were/are paying players far more than they are now worth. Aquilani, Cole, Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, Gerrard, Carragher, Downing, Adam, Doni, Aurelio and Carroll all fall/fell into this category. You can't ignore that that has stunted our spending power over the last 2 years.

Even so, we have spent more than 20 million net a year under FSG. That is what everyone wanted before they came in. That is without a new stadium. That is without CL football. That is with a crippling wage bill that was allowed to grow and grow.
I'd bet there aren't many clubs in Europe who have spent more than us net in the last 2 years. Even fewer without one of two things: 1) CL Football 2) Sugar Daddy

SlickRic · 27-08-2012 10:10AM

just to throw my 2 cents in on yesterday...

there was plenty to be encouraged about. Allen, Sterling and Johnson were the big pluses. Johnson in particular was really marvellous, but Allen was deserving of his MOTM.

i was worried at the start. we took an awful long time to get into our stride, but i'll put that down to Lucas being injured in the warm up and not being himself, while Shelvey needed to time to bed in when he came on. after about 20 minutes it was great.

i'm annoyed that they created basically 2 real chances and scored both of them. there has to be more resilence than that at the back. 5 goals in 2 games in not a good stat, and for a all the good pressing yesterday, we still let in soft goals. hopefully that will clear up sooner rather than later.

Borini is Kuyt Mark II. he'll be loved by some, frustrate the fúck out of others, but will probably end up respected by all.

Suarez was muck. he needs to get his fúcking head up too. he doesn't have to do it all on his own. i lost count of how many times he went down Baros-like blind alleys, or rushed himself when in a decent position. the free kick seemed to help his overall play, and hopefully the calmness he then showed carries forward into future games.

Sterling was a revelation, but should not start every game. he's still too lightweight, but it epic to see someone so talented, so fearless, but all someone who seems to be learning so much as he goes along. his tactical play yesterday was of someone way beyond his years. I was delighted he and Coates got a full game though - fantastic stuff.

as has been said, we had days like this last year. the key is to keep it going. i like how we're set up though, and i do think if we get another striker and winger in, then we can sustain it for the season with some clever rotation of the squad at certain points.

a striker has to be the number 1 priority though.

tok9 · 27-08-2012 10:10AM

whippedcream wrote: »

Am I dreaming or is there rumours of west ham bidding 2million for Joe Cole?

You must be dreaming.. where are these rumours?

It'll be interesting to see if we do bring in 1 or 2 more players like Rodgers is hoping.

We are absolutely crying out for a striker. We'd have a great chance of top 4 if we can get someone to bang in 15-20 goals.

Borini may be that player but so far his finishing isn't fantastic. Absolutely loved it when he turned and took on the shot yesterday. Straight afterwards he just started raising his hands at the crowd, really got them going.

Dickerty · 27-08-2012 10:10AM

Vicxas wrote: »

To be honest, we did very very well without lucas yesterday. Ill be happy if we can have a decent season even when hes injured.

The absence of any player shouldn't hurt us the way Lucas' absence last season did, and to an extent Suarez's as well. I think Allen can play that Lucas role very well, so he's ideal cover there, or he can play alongside him. Not sure we are covered for Suarez yes, just cause we are thin on goalscorers, but seems like we might address that.

Team for Thurs -

Jones

Flanno-Carra-Wilson-Robinson

Spearing

---Henderson

Adam

--Downing--Carroll--Assaidi--

Subs: Reina, Coates, Enrique, Spearing, Shelvey, Morgan, Ngoo

The Chessplayer · 27-08-2012 10:15AM

Dickerty wrote: »

I think an experienced midfielder (squad) and a young striker.
Could be Dempsey and Sturridge, I think an Assaidi-like surprise could be on the cards though.

After yesterday, Adam has to know that he needs to move. Spearing should have known before yesterday. With Lucas injured, that would leave our midfield with Allen, Sahin, Gerrard, Henderson and Shelvey. I think Rodgers would want 6 there, he said it was the most important part of the side.

What about that Pirlo fella? He's ok, for an oul lad...

I don't think they'd sell us Sturridge. Carroll's determined to stick around and he will have an attitude of wanting to prove Rodgers wrong. That can only be good for us. He's a great man to be able to spring from the bench. Suarez gets into the positions so the goals will come - he just needs to straighten his foot. Could well be a great balance between Suarez, Borini and Carroll.

Spearing was only ever meant as emergency backup. We tried to loan him out last season but he rejected it. Ended up needing him because of Lucas injury. Thankfully we've got Joe Allen now but no harm in keeping Spearing, you never know when you might need him and the likes of him would never make a fuss of playing in the reserves. Adam could command a decent fee but who's gonna want Spearing?

You're seriously deluded if you think Pirlo would be interested in playing for us.

gafferino · 27-08-2012 10:15AM

Modric off to RM for £33 apparently.

Wonder will this kick off a lot of movement this week. Seems there could still be a few outgoings at Liverpool with Adam, Cole, Jay and Carroll possibly going.
I have a feeling we'll get Dempsey in the end.

Would be great to get another striker too. GOALS GOALS GOALS GOALS are needed. Liking the look of the rest of the team in mid and defense.

Melion · 27-08-2012 10:16AM

Dickerty wrote: »

The absence of any player shouldn't hurt us the way Lucas' absence last season did, and to an extent Suarez's as well. I think Allen can play that Lucas role very well, so he's ideal cover there, or he can play alongside him. Not sure we are covered for Suarez yes, just cause we are thin on goalscorers, but seems like we might address that.

Team for Thurs -
Jones
Flanno-Carra-Wilson-Robinson
Spearing
---Henderson
Adam
--Downing--Carroll--Assaidi--

Subs: Reina, Coates, Enrique, Spearing, Shelvey, Morgan, Ngoo

I think we'll see a much stronger 11 than that. I doubt Spearing and Adam will be playing, cant afford them to get injured the day before the window closes.

Leiva · 27-08-2012 10:18AM

Assaidi can't play as far as I know .

whatawaster · 27-08-2012 10:19AM

Dickerty wrote: »

The absence of any player shouldn't hurt us the way Lucas' absence last season did, and to an extent Suarez's as well. I think Allen can play that Lucas role very well, so he's ideal cover there, or he can play alongside him. Not sure we are covered for Suarez yes, just cause we are thin on goalscorers, but seems like we might address that.

Team for Thurs -
Jones
Flanno-Carra-Wilson-Robinson
Spearing
---Henderson
Adam
--Downing--Carroll--Assaidi--

Subs: Reina, Coates, Enrique, Spearing, Shelvey, Morgan, Ngoo

Ah now here . . . we want to ensure we get through to the group stages. Danny Wilson has no business playing for us in Europe at this moment in time. Agger will return next weekend, so Coates and Agger should play in the EL.

Reina

Kelly----Carra

Coates----Robinson

Spearing

Shelvey

Henderson

---Downing----Carroll

Sterling—

Subs: Jones, Flanagan, Skrtel, Allen, Adam, Morgan, Ecclestone

And then next weekend I’d play

Reina

Johnson---Skrtel---Agger

Enrique

Allen

Sahin----Gerrard

Suarez---Borini----Assaidi

Assuming Lucas is not fit.

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