Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

tayto lover wrote: »

If that's true then I think it's my all time low as an Arsenal fan and that goes back to 1967. Bad day for Arsenal football. My two favourite Arsenal players of the last few years gone in one day. Feel sad now.

Walcott is supposedly eyeing up the exit signs also

slingerz wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

If that's true then I think it's my all time low as an Arsenal fan and that goes back to 1967. Bad day for Arsenal football. My two favourite Arsenal players of the last few years gone in one day. Feel sad now.

Walcott is supposedly eyeing up the exit signs also

Not true at all Walcott will sign soon

G.K. wrote: »

I'd still call Scholes a world class footballer tbf, just not a world class athlete by any stretch of the imagination.

Evra on the other had, my opinion of him is well known.

He's not a world class footballer.

He was.

He isn't any more.

If you are too old to hack the physical requirements needed to compete at the top level, you're not world class any more.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Van Nistelrooy and Veron were allowed to leave (in fact, getting £15m for Veron was a great deal considering he left Chelsea for nothing soon after).

As for United not having many world class players, you're barking up the wrong tree there...

Rooney
Van Persie
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Valencia
Kagawa
Scholes

Scholes doesn't have the legs (i.e. won't play enough matches to make enough of an impact) to be world class anymore, technically he's still brilliant though.

Evra's awful these days.

Nani's hardly world class, far too inconsistent.

And whoever said Vermaelen is our only world class player is a bit uninformed, he's not even the best defender here.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Van Nistelrooy and Veron were allowed to leave (in fact, getting £15m for Veron was a great deal considering he left Chelsea for nothing soon after).

As for United not having many world class players, you're barking up the wrong tree there...

Rooney
Van Persie
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Valencia
Kagawa
Scholes

Ah ffs, Evra, Nani, Valencia, Kagawa and Scholes arent world class at this moment in time. You really need to take off them rose tinted spectacles.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

jmayo wrote: »

Melion wrote: »

I'm using it!!
Do you think they match up with the 2 squads I mentioned? Arsenal have 1 world class player at a push(Vermaelen).

And how many do united have ?
rooney and RVP are the only two that stand out unless you still count the aging geriatric or the sister in law shagger.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It's more about where a club's star players would go.

Mark Hughes to Barcelona and Ronaldo and David Beckham to Real Madrid are the only examples I can think of United players "moving up in the world". And Beckham was "sold".

Everyone else (e.g. Tevez, Ince, Stam) was allowed to leave and move sideways at best rather than to "bigger clubs".

Ehh you forgot
Van Nistelrooy and Veron (and Veron was world class before you got him)

Van Nistelrooy and Veron were allowed to leave (in fact, getting £15m for Veron was a great deal considering he left Chelsea for nothing soon after).

As for United not having many world class players, you're barking up the wrong tree there...

Rooney
Van Persie
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Valencia
Kagawa
Scholes

Looooooooooool just spat my coffee all over my laptop screen!

Rooney
Van Mercenary
Vidic

Thats the only world class players on that list

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Scholes is still world class.
Evra's form has dipped alarmingly over the last two seasons so you guys may have a point there.

Saw Wenger's press conference earlier...disappointing from an Arsenal perspective that he's resigned to not spending the RVP cash. He said that you already have or words to that effect. A "net nil" spend or close to it (again). Just what makes guys like RVP want to leave.

Arsenal fans deserve better in my view.

I love this guy!

Just say the same nonsense again and this time its going to be true! (throw in a bit of misdirection about Arsenal to cover your tracks and divert attention from your nonsense as well. Textbook).

Scholes is not world class, because his legs have gone.

He used to be world class. He is not anymore, because he is too old.

DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Scholes is still world class.

Evra's form has dipped alarmingly over the last two seasons so you guys may have a point there.

Saw Wenger's press conference earlier...disappointing from an Arsenal perspective that he's resigned to not spending the RVP cash. He said that you already have or words to that effect. A "net nil" spend or close to it (again). Just what makes guys like RVP want to leave.

Arsenal fans deserve better in my view.

Thanks for your insight. The point is that Arsenal have shown restraint while others have spent ludicrous money to reach Arsenal's level or keep up with the Jones's, in United's case, without ever falling away from the top table of English football, ie Champions League football.

Arsenal will be debt-free next summer and will also be able to negotiate an enormous cash injection through new sponsorship deals as the Emirates deal expires at the end of this season, which is expected to see a £60m + surplus available to the club next year.

So whereas United are learning the hard way that floating yourselves on the stock exchange, then spending your entire 3rd quarter net profit on a 29 year old player doesn't do much to inspire confidence in traders, seeing their stock value take an absolute hiding on the back of it yesterday.

While Utd will continue to service the Glazers debt long after Sir Alex is gone, we will see the rewards of Wenger's restraint when we have full match revenues (the highest in the PL) be available to the football needs of the club, debt free, and within FFP rules.

He's a smart man, it's tough for fans to see past the here and now, but the long term vision has never been off track.

My eyes blew reading this thread

EVRA
I mean
EVRA

Mother of god

Donnielighto wrote: »

right i'll give you evra and scholes, neither should be on that list that Jame Gumb put up but the rest?

Nani is plenty consistent huge levels of output from him, Valencia is the best winger in the PL (winger , not player who plays on the wing)
Kagawa was on of the best players in the Bundesliga the last 2 seasons and is only getting better.

If they arent world class then neither are Verm or Sagna (whom i think are that level)

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Will give you Evra...he was world class (up there with Ashley Cole) but isn't anymore.

Nani is world class...we'd expect to get £30m for him if we sold him right now.

Tony V is world class.

Kagawa was player of the year in Germany and is my tip for the PFA award this year. He really is that good.

Can see your point re Scholes but he'd still stroll into most sides, including yours.

At a push id put Nani up there as worldclass, but I dont think Valencia is, he is too one-dimensional to be world class. Kagawa isnt there yet either, btw just because im not calling them world class doesnt mean I dont rate the players. I feel Kagawa will be a huge success at Man Utd for example. Anyway world class is bandied about too much these days and everyone has a differing opinion on what world class means.

The worst thing about RVP leaving for United is the amount of shit their fans are spouting here. I have never seen cluelessness or bias like it. Please, I'm begging ye to just leave.

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Kagawa was player of the year in Germany and is my tip for the PFA award this year. He really is that good.

Yes he's predecessor moved aswell and played a total of 4 games the following season.

Will giroud or podolski play up top tomorrow
Giroud played 90 for France midweek