Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

jordainius · 17-08-2012 02:09PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I never understand fans whinging when players leave. theres a food chain in football and clubs are always susceptible to being preyed upon from above.

Im sure all those clubs from whom Arsenal poach their kids from know how ye feel today.

It's not that he left; it's who he went to and more to the point; how they went about it. I'll never understand how people like yourself don't seem to understand that people have the right to be pissed off when a player leaves their club. What harm does it do?? People like/need to vent from time to time, let them off.

Gringo180 · 17-08-2012 02:09PM

Melion wrote: »

As a neutral it's hilarious seeing Arsenal fans saying he moved for money. I really doubt that's true, he has a few years left at the top, Arsenal will not win the league in that time. The man wants to win trophies and Arsenal don't look like being able to provide that.

What a silly silly comment, how on earth do you know we wont win the title in the next few years???

Omeceron · 17-08-2012 02:10PM

Owen_S wrote: »

What has RVP won in 8 years at Arsenal? Rooney had won the Champions League and the Premier League multiple times when he was linked with City. The situations are incomparable.

One set of fans say on the internet they want him to get injured.

The other set of fans go to his house and threaten to kill him.

Incomparable indeed.

Jame Gumb · 17-08-2012 02:10PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I never understand fans whinging when players leave. theres a food chain in football and clubs are always susceptible to being preyed upon from above.

Im sure all those clubs from whom Arsenal poach their kids from know how ye feel today.

So where are Man Utd in this "food chain"?

Third in Europe behind Real and Barca.

Roger Sterling · 17-08-2012 02:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this not just bull though?

What team can go on to win trophies if their best players keep forcing moves away? I think Arsenal stood a really good chance if RVP stayed. I'm definitely not going to put a bet on us now!

He moved for the money. £220,000 a week is insane. City wouldn't have topped it. ManU fans... HE. MOVED. FOR. THE. MONEY!

To say he moved for trophies is also bull. This is presumably Fergies last season (how old is he anyway, 98?!) and after he leaves I am going to laugh at Man U as they sink down the table, taking their "stars" with them. Ferguson is an incredible manager. Probably the best ever. I can't wait for him to retire

Wheres your info on his wages coming from?

jaykay74 · 17-08-2012 02:12PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Above Arsenal. Below Madrid and Barca and probably City.

I would say probably below Chelsea as well.

Deank · 17-08-2012 02:12PM

jordainius wrote: »

Melion wrote: »

As a neutral it's hilarious seeing Arsenal fans saying he moved for money. I really doubt that's true, he has a few years left at the top, Arsenal will not win the league in that time. The man wants to win trophies and Arsenal don't look like being able to provide that.

Hilarious? Seriously, you find that "hilarious"??

Yup I do, utterly priceless, one of the best laughs I've had in ages.

jmayo · 17-08-2012 02:13PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Third in Europe behind Real and Barca.

What about you know the noisy neighbours

City , Chelski and now the likes of PSG ?

Gringo180 · 17-08-2012 02:13PM

Deank wrote: »

jordainius wrote: »

Melion wrote: »

As a neutral it's hilarious seeing Arsenal fans saying he moved for money. I really doubt that's true, he has a few years left at the top, Arsenal will not win the league in that time. The man wants to win trophies and Arsenal don't look like being able to provide that.

Hilarious? Seriously, you find that "hilarious"??

Yup I do, utterly priceless, one of the best laughs I've had in ages.

You need to get out more so!!

Melion · 17-08-2012 02:14PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

What a silly silly comment, how on earth do you know we wont win the title in the next few years???

Because the Arsenal squad isn't good enough to compete with United, City or Chelsea. Quite simple really.

Anyone · 17-08-2012 02:14PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

I would say probably below Chelsea as well.

And PSG if you meant in terms of spending power.

greendom · 17-08-2012 02:15PM

Melion wrote: »

Because the Arsenal squad isn't good enough to compete with United, City or Chelsea. Quite simple really.

Can you let me have a lend of that crystal ball of yours ?

Melion · 17-08-2012 02:15PM

jordainius wrote: »

Hilarious? Seriously, you find that "hilarious"??

Arsenal fans saying it would be like Liverpool fans saying Torres only moved to Chelsea for the money. He moved to win trophies, not for the money. Just like RVP

wandatowell · 17-08-2012 02:16PM

too many utd fans lurking around here today

Gringo180 · 17-08-2012 02:16PM

Melion wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

What a silly silly comment, how on earth do you know we wont win the title in the next few years???

Because the Arsenal squad isn't good enough to compete with United, City or Chelsea. Quite simple really.

Montpeillers squad was not the best squad in France last season but they won the league, football isnt played on paper you no

darced · 17-08-2012 02:16PM

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Melion · 17-08-2012 02:17PM

greendom wrote: »

Can you let me have a lend of that crystal ball of yours ?

I'm using it!!
Do you think they match up with the 2 squads I mentioned? Arsenal have 1 world class player at a push(Vermaelen).

17-08-2012 02:17PM

Melion wrote: »

Arsenal fans saying it would be like Liverpool fans saying Torres only moved to Chelsea for the money. He moved to win trophies, not for the money. Just like RVP

220,000 trophies. Weekly.

Roger Sterling · 17-08-2012 02:18PM

jordainius wrote: »

It's not that he left; it's who he went to and more to the point; how they went about it. I'll never understand how people like yourself don't seem to understand that people have the right to be pissed off when a player leaves their club. What harm does it do?? People like/need to vent from time to time, let them off.

True slright its good to let all the anger and bitterness out

Gringo180 · 17-08-2012 02:19PM

Melion wrote: »

greendom wrote: »

Can you let me have a lend of that crystal ball of yours ?

I'm using it!!
Do you think they match up with the 2 squads I mentioned? Arsenal have 1 world class player at a push(Vermaelen).

Cazorla, Wilshere, Sagna

greendom · 17-08-2012 02:20PM

Melion wrote: »

I'm using it!!
Do you think they match up with the 2 squads I mentioned? Arsenal have 1 world class player at a push(Vermaelen).

For one thing I thought we were talking about the next 3 - 4 years. For another let's see how the season pans out and we can judge who is World Class - what does that mean anyway ?

Jame Gumb · 17-08-2012 02:21PM

jmayo wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Third in Europe behind Real and Barca.

What about you know the noisy neighbours City , Chelski and now the likes of PSG ?

It's more about where a club's star players would go.

Mark Hughes to Barcelona and Ronaldo and David Beckham to Real Madrid are the only examples I can think of United players "moving up in the world". And Beckham was "sold".

Everyone else (e.g. Tevez, Ince, Stam) was allowed to leave and move sideways at best rather than to "bigger clubs".

KaiserGunner · 17-08-2012 02:21PM

Melion wrote: »

I'm using it!!
Do you think they match up with the 2 squads I mentioned? Arsenal have 1 world class player at a push(Vermaelen).

As was already mentioned earlier, leagues arent won on paper. You dont have to have a squad full of "world class" players, football is more complicated than that, otherwise we may as well hand Man City the title already. Anything can change in football, just look back at the last 7 years!

Mickeroo · 17-08-2012 02:28PM

Donnielighto wrote: »

Well he got ye champions league footbal this season and waited around while other stars were sold off. He's coming into the last decent years of his career and wants to win something. Re the mercenary thing, he could have gone to city on presumably higher wages, he wanted to leave arsenal but it wasnt all about them dollas

City weren't willing to pay the transfer fee United paid for him considering his injury record and age.

Melion wrote: »

Because the Arsenal squad isn't good enough to compete with United, City or Chelsea. Quite simple really.

Chelsea finished two places BELOW arsenal the season just gone. Chelsea have strengthened, but so have Arsenal. Arsenal can't compete with City no but I doubt United will either this year especially considering they just blew a load of money on a striker they don't need rather than the couple of midfielders and experienced centre back they do need. The fact that Scholes and Giggs are the best midfielders at the club along with Vidic not being fully fit yet is pretty worrying imho. If the new signings settle in quick I genuinely think Arsenal have a stronger squad than united this year.

greendom · 17-08-2012 02:30PM

According to Fergie Arsene could "run a poker school in Govan", so good are his negotiation skills. Now that's something I'd really like to see.

17-08-2012 02:33PM

keano_afc wrote: »

This little boy?

Ha ha thats the first thing i thought of when i heard VP's latest bulls*it.

To be fair i think we got a good deal for him so long as we reinvest but we are not flahulach in that regard. It will probably keep Hillwood and the boys stocked up on brandy and cigars for a while though

Arsenal1986 · 17-08-2012 02:34PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

City weren't willing to pay the transfer fee United paid for him considering his injury record and age.

Chelsea finished two places BELOW arsenal the season just gone. Chelsea have strengthened, but so have Arsenal. Arsenal can't compete with City no but I doubt United will either this year especially considering they just blew a load of money on a striker they don't need rather than the couple of midfielders and experienced centre back they do need. The fact that Scholes and Giggs are the best midfielders at the club along with Vidic not being fully fit yet is pretty worrying imho. If the new signings settle in quick I genuinely think Arsenal have a stronger squad than united this year.

Chelsea finished 3 places below us!!

Mickeroo · 17-08-2012 02:38PM

Arsenal1986 wrote: »

Chelsea finished 3 places below us!!

I stand corrected

greendom · 17-08-2012 02:42PM

In a way I suppose we should be grateful to Man U for stumping up the cash. Where would we be if they hadn't ? - back to City and Juventus to accept 15 million -

Or would we have forced a player Arsene no longer wanted and who didn't want to be here to stick out another season? that could have proved very unsettling for the squad.

Roger Sterling · 17-08-2012 02:43PM

greendom wrote: »

According to Fergie Arsene could "run a poker school in Govan", so good are his negotiation skills. Now that's something I'd really like to see.

Keeping him sweet for next summer's squad raid.;-)

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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