Irish man (28) charged over alleged assault on Australian Politician On TV

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:29PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Talk it from someone who lives here, it has an affect on all of us.

Even the ones who are prospering and generally doing well out there? And if you are facing problems, that would tell me more about Australians than anyone else TBH.

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 02:29PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Assault my arse.

The manhandling of the clown aftrewards was worse than the initial attack.

Typical tabloid australian tv. Every channel competes to try and appeal to the lowest common demoninator.

There are a lot of drunken irish clowns in australia. There are also a lot of drunken australian clowns in edinburgh and london, however a minor incident like this would not be blown out of all proportion. When young ~20 year olds of most nations get opportunities like this to live abroad a lot will get a bit carried away with the freedom. I guess because of the high proportion of irish in australia we may appear worse than some of the other nationalities who visit there. But from my experience there was no diff between irish, english, american, canadian, scandinavian amongst other nationalities on australian trips.

Australians seem to have a habit of making some nationality scapegoats for internal problems. When I was there it was the lebanese who were at fault for an explosion of the latent aussie xenophobia culminating in riots on the sydney beaches and petrol bombing of mosques (by aussies not lebanese). Somehow in spite of most the criminal acts being committed by aussies the lebanese community got all the bad press. The aborigines were the drunken louts before the press picked on the irish. The funny thing is though the really serious incidents involving drink like assaults resulting in deaths always seemed to be australians.

The fact that it was a politician speaking about drunken violence who was then 'assaulted' by an alleged drunk seems very suspicious to me. The nature of this so called assault also seemed a little odd. Why would you give someone an ankle tap like that. Surely the first instinct of any drunk would be to throw a dig.

Ah yes, it must have staged by the Aussie tabloid media scum who are just looking for another ethnicity to pick on :rolleyes:

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 02:30PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Makes not a jot of sense.

You may see yourself as a sophisticated citizen of the world. Fair 'nuff.

The rest of the world doesn't.

If a load of Irish goons are running amok in Australia and you choose to move to Australia, some Australians will form a negative opinion of Irish people. Including yourself. This will affect you when you go for employment, try to rent a property and numerous other daily interactions.

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 02:32PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Even the ones who are prospering and generally doing well out there? And if you are facing problems, that would tell me more about Australians than anyone else TBH.

I'm doing very well for myself - good job, great prospects and a super lifestyle - however, the average bouncer/barman doesn't know that nor do they or should they care.

If they've had problems with Irish idiots in the past they're understandably going to be wary about the next lot. That's a problem we've created, they're just looking out for number one and that's perfectly reasonable.

Same goes for renting a property which is no easy talk if you're Irish in one of the big cities where the reputation preceeds you.

FullBeard · 07-08-2012 02:32PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Not really, I've never been proud/ashamed to be Irish based on someone else's antics/acheivements. Happy for them, yes, but not because of a shared birthpace.

Then you and I have the same mindset. But most people do not share that mindset and love their tribe for no other reason than an accident of birth. And most other people have a habit of ascribing traits to certain groups. Sad but true.

pookiesboo · 07-08-2012 02:35PM

I watched this on Youtube and some of the comments were hilarious, someone wrote "Send him back to his mammy" left by someone who was not Irish!

NS77 · 07-08-2012 02:35PM

I'm a proud Irishman and I have high standards for my country. Yet, there are those who insist in dragging this country down - like the drunken knuckle-dragger in this video.

Yes, there are plenty of 20 yr olds from plenty of countries misbehaving. Does that excuse the behavoiur of the Irish at home and abroad? No way. Why not have high standards for our country? Why not be the country that poeple look up to?

Makes me sick how far we done fell:

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:36PM

IrishAm wrote: »

You may see yourself as a sophisticated citizen of the world. Fair 'nuff.

Let's take a leisurely stroll back through the thread to see where I posted that, IrishAm. You first.

IrishAm wrote: »

If a load of Irish goons are running amok in Australia and you choose to move to Australia, some Australians will form a negative opinion of Irish people. Including yourself. This will affect you when you go for employment, try to rent a property and numerous other daily interactions.

Again, it doesn't seem to affecting people I know. *shrug*

Dionysius2 · 07-08-2012 02:37PM

Bambi wrote: »

Why did this stupid c**t wait till he was over in upsidedowny land to start kicking politicians? :mad:

anyone wanna try guess what county he was from? It'll be fun

I suppose that every town and village in Ireland has an asshole capable of this kind of behaviour. We do serious diss in respect of that famous 5 to 10% at the margins of our society. They may be few in numbers but have a great track record in punching above their weight where hassle is concerned. Betcha he was a twit in his own cabbage patch back here before he ever went down under.

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:38PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

I'm doing very well for myself - good job, great prospects and a super lifestyle - however, the average bouncer/barman doesn't know that nor do they or should they care.

If they've had problems with Irish idiots in the past they're understandably going to be wary about the next lot. That's a problem we've created, they're just looking out for number one and that's perfectly reasonable.

Same goes for renting a property which is no easy talk if you're Irish in one of the big cities where the reputation preceeds you.

Well, I can't speak of gaining accommodation, but my view of bouncers is generally low, so that really wouldn't bother me. Less of the "we" stuff, seriously.

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 02:40PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Well, I can't speak of gaining accommodation, but my view of bouncers is generally low, so that really wouldn't bother me. Less of the "we" stuff, seriously.

Ah so if it doesn't matter to you then it doesn't count is that it? Not go on many nights out where it could be an issue?

Have you been to Australia for any length of time as a matter of interest? Or are your dismissals just based on the stories of others?

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 02:43PM

I hope Australia culls the WHV. As a nation, we need our youth instead of exporting them and to address our own problems.

Canada can fuck right off with their working holiday visa too.

cometogether · 07-08-2012 02:47PM

IrishAm wrote: »

I hope Australia culls the WHV. As a nation, we need our youth instead of exporting them and to address our own problems.

Canada can fuck right off with their working holiday visa too.

We need them for what? Sitting at home on the dole?

conorhal · 07-08-2012 02:49PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Let's take a leisurely stroll back through the thread to see where I posted that, IrishAm. You first.

Again, it doesn't seem to affecting people I know. *shrug*

Yeah....wonderful attitude that

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 02:51PM

cometogether wrote: »

We need them for what? Sitting at home on the dole?

A lot of them are university educated. Its a brain drain. We need our educated youth to get us out of this recession.

A nation is nothing without its youth.

cometogether · 07-08-2012 02:52PM

IrishAm wrote: »

A lot of them are university educated. Its a brain drain. We need our educated youth to get us out of this recession.

A nation is nothing without its youth.

Yeah but for the vast majority of those who left they had no choice. There is simply no work.

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:53PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ah so if it doesn't matter to you then it doesn't count is that it? Not go on many nights out where it could be an issue?

Have you been to Australia for any length of time as a matter of interest? Or are your dismissals just based on the stories of others?

Oh noes, I might not be able to get into a pub, what will I do? Stories of others but they're, ya know, friends?

Again, if you want to be embarrassed by the behaviour of some, go right ahead. :cool:

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 02:55PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Oh noes, I might not be able to get into a pub, what will I do? Stories of others but they're, ya know, friends?

Again, if you want to be embarrassed by the behaviour of some, go right ahead. :cool:

As i thought, you know fuck all. I'll continue to go with my first hand experience over your hear say.

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:56PM

conorhal wrote: »

Yeah....wonderful attitude that

What are you TALKING about?

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 02:57PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

As i thought, you know fuck all. I'll continue to go with my first hand experience over your hear say.

You appear to have a good life over there. What is to be embarrassed about? Seriously? As for bouncers turning people away, they are a capricious bunch as it is, hardly a smoking gun, now is it?

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 03:01PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

You appear to have a good life over there. What is to be embarrassed about? Seriously? As for bouncers turning people away, they are a capricious bunch as it is, hardly a smoking gun, now is it?

I never said I was embarrassed though, and I'm not in the slightest.

All I said is that the actions of others have fallout for the rest of us, which is definitely the case with more WHVs and more incidents making the press.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-08-2012 03:04PM

IrishAm wrote: »

I will never be ashamed of being Irish, unlike some of the goons on here. But if I was working my ass off to secure sponsorship, like thousands of my fellow compatriots are at the moment, this shit would annoy the bollix off me.

The Irish community in Australia needs to put it up to some of the scum and let them know that their behaviour shall no longer be tolerated.

Rightly or wrongly, their behaviour reflects on us all.

No it doesn't. And that's not said simply because I have no intentions of going down under. I've lived about 10 years abroad and I don;t think I've ever been judged by my nationality once. But if I did, I wouldn't go feeling ashamed because of my nationality. Or proud of it. Yes, I might suffer some adverse consequences because of it, but that's not going to change the amount of pirde or lack thereof related to it.

IrishAm wrote: »

I hope Australia culls the WHV. As a nation, we need our youth instead of exporting them and to address our own problems.

Canada can fuck right off with their working holiday visa too.

IrishAm wrote: »

A lot of them are university educated. Its a brain drain. We need our educated youth to get us out of this recession.

A nation is nothing without its youth.

Sounds like you just want to sit around and wait for other people to come back and sort out your problems for you. If Ireland valued it's youth it would do a bit more to hang on to it, such as job and opportunity creation.

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 03:07PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

You appear to have a good life over there. What is to be embarrassed about? Seriously? As for bouncers turning people away, they are a capricious bunch as it is, hardly a smoking gun, now is it?

A drunken Irish lad kicked an Australian politician on live tv.

If there is a debate on discontinuing the WHV for Irish citizens in the Australian parliament and its put to a vote, how do you think this lad will go?

If Irish people continue to act the bollix in Australia, it will eventually have a majorly negative impact on all Irish people wanting to emigrate to Australia.

No matter what your wee pals tell you.

Sea Filly · 07-08-2012 03:18PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

I never said I was embarrassed though, and I'm not in the slightest.

All I said is that the actions of others have fallout for the rest of us, which is definitely the case with more WHVs and more incidents making the press.

Fair enough. I'm not really sure what can be done though. Thugs are going to do what they've always done, wherever they are.

Xavi6 · 07-08-2012 03:22PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Fair enough. I'm not really sure what can be done though. Thugs are going to do what they've always done, wherever they are.

I agree, but shrugging it off isn't going to help matters either.

Tbh I'd love to see some zero tolerance from the police over here. The lads from home have had it too soft with the gardai and have developed an "I'll do whatever I like" attitude which is at the root of a lot of these incidents we read about.

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 03:24PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Sounds like you just want to sit around and wait for other people to come back and sort out your problems for you. If Ireland valued it's youth it would do a bit more to hang on to it, such as job and opportunity creation.

Not at all. Couldn't be further from the truth. All my problems begin and end with myself. But I digress.

Do you think that it is healthy for a nation to invest heavily in education only to export its youth when they graduate from university?

Its suicide.

Give enterprise Ireland a large budget to invest in indigenous start ups.

cometogether · 07-08-2012 03:37PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Not at all. Couldn't be further from the truth. All my problems begin and end with myself. But I digress.

Do you think that it is healthy for a nation to invest heavily in education only to export its youth when they graduate from university?

Its suicide.

Give enterprise Ireland a large budget to invest in indigenous start ups.

Yeah but what can be done about it?

IrishAm · 07-08-2012 03:40PM

cometogether wrote: »

Yeah but what can be done about it?

That is the million dollar question and one that cannot be answered on this forum.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-08-2012 03:43PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Not at all. Couldn't be further from the truth. All my problems begin and end with myself. But I digress.

Do you think that it is healthy for a nation to invest heavily in education only to export its youth when they graduate from university?

Its suicide.

Give enterprise Ireland a large budget to invest in indigenous start ups.

No, of course it's not healthy, but that's the reality.

Beyond that, I agree with you. But a lot of young people tend to not feel a sence of national duty any more. They do what they need to do because they want to succeed, not because of national pride, because success, like failure, reflects on you as a person and not as a nationality.

You are not your nationality!

leftleg · 07-08-2012 10:33PM

he looks like Joey Barton

Irish man (28) charged over alleged assault on Australian Politician On TV

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