10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

paddyandy · 21-07-2012 10:06AM

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

mikom · 21-07-2012 10:18AM

paddyandy wrote: »

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

Are you saying everyone in the cinema got what they deserved?

Jester252 · 21-07-2012 10:27AM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

An Irish Independent article, bascially suggesting that there is a 'curse' on the Nolan Batman films.

Stay classy, Irish Independent.

I do like the way the spend longer on Heath Ledger then the shooting

Mardy Bum · 21-07-2012 10:27AM

MadsL wrote: »

I spent July 4th at the house of a church deacon who recently completed his CCW in order to carry to church for this reason. This is not the only church shooting recently.

Not sure how I feel about church deacons getting all Ezekiel 25:17 but he is nice bloke. Might be fun to go to the range with him. He's huge too, probably has some kind of hand cannon on his permit.

You know an apparent "first world" country has serious social issues when supposed religious men are bringing guns to work. Astoundingly Brass Eye got it right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipqpXPGDvNc

Basq · 21-07-2012 10:30AM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

An Irish Independent article, bascially suggesting that there is a 'curse' on the Nolan Batman films.

Stay classy, Irish Independent.

Good to see The Indo taking cues from The Daily Mail now! :rolleyes:

Duggy747 · 21-07-2012 10:37AM

The Indo is a pile of garbage. Tabloid trying desperately to pass itself off as a broadsheet.

up for anything · 21-07-2012 11:15AM

Father Damo wrote: »

Ok.

What about the bit where he throws his kid on the ground, legs it, hops into his car, and drives off? It really is Homer Simpson "dont eat me, I have a wife and kids- eat them!" territory.

They look like rednecks anyway.

Takes one to know one, as we used to say in school.

Who knows how they would react in a situation like that. I'm sure we'd all like to think that we'd behave courageously.

krudler · 21-07-2012 11:17AM

paddyandy wrote: »

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

*sits down*

ok, go on then..

amacca · 21-07-2012 11:39AM

paddyandy wrote: »

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

dark knight rises = voyeurism + relishing the sight of evil

this should be interesting...................

up for anything · 21-07-2012 11:53AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The CT's are coming in.

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

One thing for sure this incident will be ridden by the Obama admin to invoke further fascist EO's, the increased urban roll out of TSA and of course the further attempt to abolish the 2nd amendment. (One must remember similar gun banning moves were hastily drafted in by previous up and coming Communist / fascist regimes so it may be just a case of history repeating itself.

Also remember the presidential election is coming up and as with the last election the 2nd amendment was a hot coal.

That article you linked to is very interesting if what they say about James Holmes background is correct. Most PhD students have a subsistence living so where did he get the money for all that?

I heard on the news earlier that they are giving up on dismantling the booby traps and are going to blow it all up instead which means they are giving up on any hard evidence that the flat contains which might help to explain Mr Holmes' mindset when he was planning the attack. They have a truckload of bomb experts there and yet a medical student has managed to flummox them. Sounds a little weird to me.

iguana · 21-07-2012 12:05PM

up for anything wrote: »

They have a truckload of bomb experts there and yet a medical student has managed to flummox them. Sounds a little weird to me.

He was a neuroscience student who had graduated with honours and is described as having distinguished himself academically. He had been accepted onto a tough PhD programme. He is clearly an incredibly intelligent man, most likely a natural genius who worked hard at learning. There is nothing even remotely weird about a man with that kind of intelligence and learning being able to rig a complex bomb.

He was also from a fairly well off family so there is also nothing even remotely weird about him having quite a bit of money.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-07-2012 12:07PM

I've kept out of this thread because tbh I understand all sides who at sniping at each other.. Gallows humour, I've seen lads react in very strange ways to traumatic incidents in Lebanon, you give them space and know where their head is.

Other people are just idiots trying to be funny, and I often think of the saying 'Tis better to remain quiet and thought of as a fool than open your mouth and confirm the fact'.

I remember the first time one of these shootings affected me, and a song which The Boomtown Rats recorded afterwards, I thought (and still do) that its one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.. Here it is, give it a listen if you've never heard it before;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaHAvEEbQOE

Having seen photos of the guy in custody for this latest shooting spree, he actually looks a lot like my own son!.. I've been giving his family some thoughts, those poor people are going through their own hell. I'm sure they didn't raise their child to be a mass murderer.

I'm going to see the movie myself tomorrow, I'm not religious and never give any thoughts to 'is there a God' and all that crap. But tomorrow as I enter the theater I'll give over a few thoughts to everyone affected in Denver.

May they all, each and every one of them Rest In Peace.

Guys, stop bickering ~ please.

Peace.

My name is URL · 21-07-2012 12:11PM

paddyandy wrote: »

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

Honestly, do you just bash randomly on the keyboard until some vague and meaningless sentence shows up on your screen?

Rascasse · 21-07-2012 12:17PM

Basq wrote: »

Good to see The Indo taking cues from The Daily Mail now! :rolleyes:

I first saw a 'Batman curse' article on the Telegraph website. Not a paper that usually goes for this kind of drivel. They've since seen the light and pulled it;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/9414614/Batman-cinema-shootings-the-curse-of-The-Dark-Knight.html

K-9 · 21-07-2012 12:18PM

MadsL wrote: »

Why? Does fewer killings in 2010 counteract the ones in 1999?

I see you didn't answer my question.

Or 1973? It would make me wonder what changed to stop 100's killed every year to a few in 2010.

As for your question, in the 70's and 80's there was a near civil war going on, you are comparing things like Warrenpoint with this case. While I wouldn't be a big fan of the IRA, I don't see the comparisons with Dunblane for example. The North is a tad more complicated than that!

CSU · 21-07-2012 12:18PM

Just seen two articles, one talking about how this guy legally bought 6000 rounds of ammo within 60 day's and the other talking of how the head of the American 'Gun Owners Group' Larry Pratt is screaming for looser firearms laws.

Mr Pratt told the programme: “It is very sad that there was a no-guns policy in that theatre and that nobody had thought to take a gun with them anyway.

...is this really the correct approach to dealing with gun crime, give them more guns?

Insane IMO:(

Duggy747 · 21-07-2012 12:20PM

paddyandy wrote: »

Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

Please explain, you seem to have a sheer hatred for the media based on your recent posts on other forums here.

Tym · 21-07-2012 12:34PM

Eh, this whole "sick Society" thing is starting to unnerve me. It's not really any different to racism to any group of people.

yoyo · 21-07-2012 12:38PM

CSU wrote: »

Just seen two articles, one talking about how this guy legally bought 6000 rounds of ammo within 60 day's and the other talking of how the head of the American 'Gun Owners Group' Larry Pratt is screaming for looser firearms laws.

...is this really the correct approach to dealing with gun crime, give them more guns?

Insane IMO:(

Not only was he able to buy 6, 000 rounds in 60 days, he also baught all 4 guns in that timeframe. Not only that but the BBC video of the police reported he managed to buy a 100rd drum mag for the assault rifle. I really don't understand why in america posession of a military grade assault rifle with large capacity mags by civilians is allowed. Its not as if you'd go hunting with it...,

Nick

Mardy Bum · 21-07-2012 12:40PM

CSU wrote: »

Just seen two articles, one talking about how this guy legally bought 6000 rounds of ammo within 60 day's and the other talking of how the head of the American 'Gun Owners Group' Larry Pratt is screaming for looser firearms laws.

...is this really the correct approach to dealing with gun crime, give them more guns?

Insane IMO:(

Its the only argument somebody who heads up an organisation like that could defend his organisation with. He may well not believe a word of it, or he may be deceiving himself into believing it. Its just a stance to make sure his members are happy and he gets paid.

Duck's hoop · 21-07-2012 01:01PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They're extremely useful. AR-15-based rifles are the single most popular rifle in the US today, as they do an excellent job of performing any task you would ask of it, from varminting, game hunting, target shooting, or zombie defence. They are light, reliable, ergonomic and capable, which makes sense: They were designed to be better than the rifles which came before them.

NTM

Wibbs wrote: »

Makes sense MM. Then again people hear "assault rifle" and too often all bets are off in a debate. Back in the day "Saturday Night Special*" was another trigger description. Couple of points on the term, they're semi automatic, not fully like their military versions. You need a special licence for the latter and are allowed only in some states. People hear the term and think "machine gun spraying bullets". Nope.

Secondly given a choice between being hit by a military/NATO bullet and a bolt action hunting rifle bullet and I'll take the "assault rifle" bullet any day of the week. The latter are fully jacketed bullets, don't tend to fragment, Geneva convention and all that, whereas something like a hunting round tends to have a soft point that expands rapidly in a body cavity and turns it to mush. A "dum dum" bullet in laymans terms. Yet few would clamour to ban hunting/sport rifles to nearly the same degree. Shotgun? Hideous damage compared to the other two(IIRC specifically banned by Geneva convention though used by various armies) and would be right down at the bottom of the ban list for most. Stick a deer slug(solid bullet in place of lots of small pellets/shot) into a shotgun and you've essentially got a shoulder mounted cannon.

Basically if someone wanted to cause the most damage and death in an enclosed space at short ranges in the hands of even an amateur a semi or pump action shotgun with a magazine extension would be the tool for the job. A real "room cleaner". Yet people will scream Assault rifle baaaad. It's one of those "givens" accepted as fact cos it sounds right, but it's anything but. How many shotguns are in this country? Loads yet Ireland has one of the toughest(and oft mad illogical) gun restrictions in the world and we don't see events like what happen in the US. There's an underlying social problem there it seems. The gun is a release for that in the hands of a thankfully tiny percentage of people, it's not the issue itself. I suspect if the US brought in Irish level restrictions in the morning this kinda thing would still happen.

*broadly a term for a really cheap handgun, imagined to be smuggled in in thousands specially for crims and scumbags. Very little truth in it.

Excellent.

Two of the best posts I've seen on these boards.

21-07-2012 01:26PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Excellent.

Two of the best posts I've seen on these boards.

You must be joking.

One guy is saying that an assault rifle is perfect for shooting rodents and paper targets, and the other guy is saying that the people in the cinema should consider themselves lucky they were shot with military bullets, he would take those 'any day of the week'.

Sappa · 21-07-2012 02:09PM

When I lived in the states,my roomate had an SKS assault rifle lying around the corridor of the apartment,this was legally held and took ak47 style bullets,
He had a glock 9 given to him by his dad after graduating high school which he kept loaded under his bed,
We used the Sks for target shooting but this weapon could inflict mayhem in the wrong hands,the laws on gun control need to change in America as it's crazy individuals can keep these for fun.

Duck's hoop · 21-07-2012 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You must be joking.

One guy is saying that an assault rifle is perfect for shooting rodents and paper targets, and the other guy is saying that the people in the cinema should consider themselves lucky they were shot with military bullets, he would take those 'any day of the week'.

Not really.

mikom · 21-07-2012 02:22PM

paddyandy wrote: »

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Voyeurism or relishing the sight of Evil in a Cinema is not an Innocent past time .

mikom wrote: »

Are you saying everyone in the cinema got what they deserved?

Skadoosh! wrote: »

*sits down*

ok, go on then..

amacca wrote: »

dark knight rises = voyeurism + relishing the sight of evil

this should be interesting...................

My name is URL wrote: »

Honestly, do you just bash randomly on the keyboard until some vague and meaningless sentence shows up on your screen?

Duggy747 wrote: »

Please explain, you seem to have a sheer hatred for the media based on your recent posts on other forums here.

Still waiting for an explanation to your earlier braindump paddyandy.
In the meantime you were able to post this latest gem in the film forum.....

paddyandy wrote: »

Evil fun for the masses because it gives them evil thoughts to encourage them to do evil acts .When we can't understand that; then we are truly lost as a society

I've said it before and I'll say it again....... Please get yourself checked out before these trains of thought evolve further

Hande hoche! · 21-07-2012 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You must be joking.

One guy is saying that an assault rifle is perfect for shooting rodents and paper targets, and the other guy is saying that the people in the cinema should consider themselves lucky they were shot with military bullets, he would take those 'any day of the week'.

It makes sense that a bullet designed to kill a stag would do more damage than one made for killing people. IMO it's a fair point.

up for anything · 21-07-2012 02:23PM

iguana wrote: »

He was a neuroscience student who had graduated with honours and is described as having distinguished himself academically. He had been accepted onto a tough PhD programme. He is clearly an incredibly intelligent man, most likely a natural genius who worked hard at learning. There is nothing even remotely weird about a man with that kind of intelligence and learning being able to rig a complex bomb.

He was also from a fairly well off family so there is also nothing even remotely weird about him having quite a bit of money.

I won't speculate anymore as we only know what's being reported in the papers. Didn't sound like he was too well off though before entering the PhD program having struggled to find work and ended up in MacDonalds.

Wibbs · 21-07-2012 03:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You must be joking.

One guy is saying that an assault rifle is perfect for shooting rodents and paper targets,

While it's hardly a top flight varmint rifle, but it's a pretty damn good, well made and multipurpose self loading rifle and this explains their popularity among sport shooters.

and the other guy is saying that the people in the cinema should consider themselves lucky they were shot with military bullets, he would take those 'any day of the week'.

And? Of course this is a major bloody tragedy and questions need to be raised, however the populist and frankly ignorant kneejerk response when the words "assault rifle" come up needs further examination.

My point was that banning those which is what will be shouted from rooftops as it always is in the wake of such tragedies isn't the panacea people may think. Yes I would much rather be hit by a 5.56 mm jacketed bullet from such a rifle, than be hit by a hollow point 30.06 from a hunting rifle which won't face such sanctions and defo more than a slug or buckshot from a shotgun which would be the very last type of firearm that would face legislation. BTW the latter two can come as semi autos, just like the civilian AR 15. In enclosed spaces the shotgun would be about the most effective in killing.

TBH I'm glad these type of killing spree fcuking retards don't consider this. Look up "Trench gun". Here's something about the effectiveness of such weapons and like I said shotguns are pretty much everywhere in every nation on earth. I'd reckon wolrdwide they're the most common firearm in civilian hands.

Wittering on about "assault rifles" is a red herring and that the possible social issues behind the finger on the trigger is a better start to make, though harder to win votes on. That was the point I'm making.

21-07-2012 03:12PM

Wibbs wrote: »

While it's hardly a top flight varmint rifle, but it's a pretty damn good, well made and multipurpose self loading rifle and this explains their popularity among sport shooters. And? Of course this is a major bloody tragedy and questions need to be raised, however the populist and frankly ignorant kneejerk response when the words "assault rifle" come up needs further examination.

My point was that banning those which is what will be shouted from rooftops as it always is in the wake of such tragedies isn't the panacea people may think. Yes I would much rather be hit by a 5.56 mm jacketed bullet from such a rifle, than be hit by a hollow point 30.06 from a hunting rifle which won't face such sanctions and defo more than a slug or buckshot from a shotgun which would be the very last type of firearm that would face legislation. BTW the latter two can come as semi autos, just like the civilian AR 15. In enclosed spaces the shotgun would be about the most effective in killing.

TBH I'm glad these type of killing spree fcuking retards don't consider this. Look up "Trench gun". Here's something about the effectiveness of such weapons and like I said shotguns are pretty much everywhere in every nation on earth. I'd reckon wolrdwide they're the most common firearm in civilian hands.

Wittering on about "assault rifles" is a red herring and that the possible social issues behind the finger on the trigger is a better start to make, though harder to win votes on. That was the point I'm making.

There is nothing knee-jerk about it. They are called assault rifles for a reason. They are specifically designed for combat. They're light, short, manouverable, they have a high-capacity magazine, quick to acquire targets. Capable of very high rates of fire despite being 'only' semi-auto as you like to point out...as fast as you can pull the trigger basically and clearly fast enough to kill 12 and wound 50+

They are extremely effective killing weapons because that's what they are specifically designed to do.

There's absolutely no reason for civilians to own these weapons. If this guy was restricted to buying a bolt action .22 with single-shot magazine the death toll would be much smaller.

Your point about shotguns is irrelevant because I would say the same, there is no reason for civilians to own semi-auto or pump action shotguns.

68Murph68 · 21-07-2012 03:25PM

A big part of the problem in the US as regards gun culture and the promotion of guns is that there are a lot of people with a vested interest in making massive truckloads of money off the sale and manufacture of guns. Basically guns in the US are a multi-billion dollar industry. If you have tougher gun laws - waiting periods, background checks, restrictions on use, it will automatically lead to those involved in the guns industry making less money.

I remember when I was living in the States and was talking with someone who hailed from a remote rural area of Vermont, close enough to the Canadian border. He absolutely hated the NRA. Where he grew up he said that there was a massive tradition/history of hunting/shooting and his theory was that NRA (which has a massive political influence)with support from the gun companies made a concerted effort to popularise the notion of guns as a suitable form of "home protection" to expand the market for gun ownership which he believed was utter craziness and driven primarily as a means of making money.

Basically one of the key things to remember in the US is that people are making vast truckloads of money out of selling guns.

10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

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