Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

Doddle · 13-07-2012 04:45PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Economy

1: Social welfare cost
78,857 amount of non-Irish national on live register (388,066 Irish)
(see post number 102 for non-eu numbers)
If we compare the numbers on the dole with the populations recorded in the 2006 census
we see that some groups have high levels of social welfare dependence
http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...egister-2.html

2: Remittances
Money from temporary economic immigrants leaving country in from of remittances
I am not saying this is wrong of them, I am just saying this a reality of
liberal immigratiion polices.
Poles alone sent €841million home from Ireland in 2009
http://www.politics.ie/economy/14121...009-times.html

3: Cost of asylum system
The cost of dealing with asylum seekers will reach €300m this year(2008), with Irish lawyers making a killing from an estimated 1,200 judicial reviews of deportation cases by people who have entered the country illegally.
False claims help bill for asylum seekers to hit €300m - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

4: Social Housing
More than half of the applicants for council homes in north Dublin are from abroad, new figures show.
Over half on housing list are foreign - City News, National News - Herald.ie

5: Rent allowance.
Last week(2008), the figures appeared for the numbers of people receiving full state-subsidy for rental accommodation in Ireland. Nearly 40pc of them are immigrants.
Risible lies about immigrants no substitute for honest debate - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie

6: Child benefit payments
Child benefit payments parents living in Ireland who claim for non-resident children.
2005 ..... €720,000
2008 ..... €20.9 million
2010 ..... €15.4 million

State seeks to change EU child benefit rule - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 21, 2011

Justice

7: Prison Commitals
33.6% of all prison committals in 2007 where non-Irish national
Statistics-Home

8: Sham marriage
BETWEEN 10 and 15 per cent of the civil ceremonies conducted across the country may be “sham marriages” aimed purely at circumventing immigration rules, one of the country’s main marriage registrars has warned. Dennis Prior, superintendent registrar for the Health Service Executive eastern registration area, said the increase in suspected bogus marriages, which is now estimated at several hundred per year, was “disheartening and demoralising” for registrars
Registrar warns of rapid rise in 'sham marriages' - The Irish Times - Tue, Aug 17, 2010

9: Legal costs.
57% of judicial reviews in the High Court were 'asylum-related' in 2009 ie 749 of 1312.
Courts Service of Ireland 2009 report
23% (8.3m) of the State's funding to legal aid (€34,640,000) in 2009 was to represent asylum seekers through the Refugee Legal Service.
The costs of the State's legal defence to these actions, is extra but hidden in somebody else's budget. It is not clear if the costs of the Refugee Documentation Centre come out of the 8.3m.
http://www.legalaidboard.ie/ 2009 report
Interpreters for foreign national defendants in our courts cost €3.8m in 2008
Language costs for courts to hit €10m - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie

10: Illegal immigrants
Migrant Rights Centre states that 30,000 undocumented workers reside in the state by their estimate.
Focus on status of undocumented migrants - The Irish Times - Mon, May 23, 2011

Health

11: infectious disease
Two examples
60% of all HIV and Aids cases are non-Irish national
50% of all recent TB cases are non-Irish national
http://www.politics.ie/health-social...evealed-4.html

12: foreign doctors fitness to practise
MORE than 60% of Fitness to Practise (FTP) inquiries completed by the Medical Council in 2010 related to foreign doctors.
Foreign docs in 60% of conduct hearings | Irish Examiner

Education

13: Cost of translation services
1100 language assistants in schools in January 2010.
Language posts cut 'will hit integration' - Latest News, Education - Independent.ie

14: OECD Education ratings decline
Ireland has dropped in OECD Education rankings I believe immigration is a factor in this
how big a factor is debatable.
Ireland has slipped from 5th place in 2000 to 17th place,
the sharpest decline among 39 countries surveyed.
In maths, Ireland has fallen from 16th to 26th place, the second steepest decline among participating countries. Ireland is now ranked as below average in maths.
Yesterday, the Department said the increase in migrant children, the greater inclusion of children with special needs and fewer early school leavers could explain the decline in literacy and maths standards.
Ireland drops in literacy rankings - The Irish Times - Tue, Dec 07, 2010
Annual Monitoring Report on Integration 2010
From Table 3.4 we see that scores of non-English speaking immigrants scored ,
59 points lower in reading than Irish students
35 points lower in mathematics than Irish students
Table 3.4 Mean reading and mathematics scores in PISA 2009 by immigrant/language status, 15 year olds (Ireland)
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0504/integration.pdf

Miscellaneous

15: Professional immigration industry “NGOs”
The immigration industry in Ireland contains a total of 189 organisations (2007)
These groups dominate the media debate or what passes for debate , there is no opposing voice.
Their press statements are reprinted as facts in newspapers.
Some of the biggest are
ICI, II , NCCRI, IRC, MRCI, NASC, RIS,
Its would be a very hard task to calculate just how much taxpayers money is taken by these groups. It is estimated that One Foundation and Atlantic Philanthropies account for a major proportion of funding provided to many of these groups.
Taxpayer money can be funnelled into these groups
both through direct and indirect means for example Development Education Grants
Pobal, National Action Plan Against Racism, Office of the Minister for Integration
European grants, FAS, HSE and Lottery grants.
These groups funded partly by us now represent a powerful lobby group.
http://www.prospectus.ie/documents/P...port_Final.pdf

16: Irish naturalisation & immigration service
59,291,000 euro's 2010
http://www.budget.gov.ie/budgets/201...get%202011.pdf

Credit to you ,it must have taken sometime to compile.
The wake up call .!!

old hippy · 13-07-2012 04:49PM

Doddle wrote: »

Credit to you ,it must have taken sometime to compile.
The wake up call .!!

Wake up call to what, exactly?

SeanW · 13-07-2012 04:50PM

Leftist wrote: »

people who come out with this rhetoric should be murdered by the state. It's disgusting. Infact why isn't he banned?

I think the whole "kill people who disagree with me" has been done before by your good friends Stalin, Mao, Ceaceasceau and a few others of a certain left persuasion.

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 04:51PM

old hippy if you cannot add up what the hell is happening in ireland due to these statistics then there is no explaining it to you.some people are born with common sense,and others are not..

Doddle · 13-07-2012 04:56PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Spent many a good, interesting year being a foreigner.Maybe you should give it a shot again.

Would you be in favour of restricted movement of Irish people within the EU?

Yeah Atkin should leave and send back money to our impoverished government.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 05:00PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

old hippy if you cannot add up what the hell is happening in ireland due to these statistics then there is no explaining it to you.some people are born with common sense,and others are not..

Oh it's the stats now? You keep changing your focus every few posts, I must admit, it is hard to keep track.

So, what is happening, then? Are we suffering from non existent Sharia Law zones as well?

Please explain

alastair · 13-07-2012 05:09PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

old hippy if you cannot add up what the hell is happening in ireland due to these statistics then there is no explaining it to you.some people are born with common sense,and others are not..

You can say that again.

Lets take the Polish repatriation of income for example - €841 million back to Poland in 2009, but how much more churned around the local economy? Every car bought in Ireland in 2009 contributed to economic repatriation to Munich, or Tokyo, or Paris, on a grand scale, but we actively subsidised that repatriation with a scrappage deal - to encourage the local economy churn that car retail provided.

As to the NGO 'industry'? NCCRI was shut down four years ago, and I'm guessing that, as suggested, Atlantic Philanthropies accounted for much of the funding for those NGO's that still remain operational.

pontia · 13-07-2012 05:28PM

wake up call to what ? did you read the figures,were borrowing billions and monies been wasted on this,where do you think this money comes from ? magic faries in the sky,can this spending be justified ? no chance,young irish people leaving by the boatload at the same time.pc brigade can take a hike.enough is enough

alastair · 13-07-2012 05:33PM

pontia wrote: »

enough is enough

see ya!

old hippy · 13-07-2012 05:35PM

pontia wrote: »

wake up call to what ? did you read the figures,were borrowing billions and monies been wasted on this,where do you think this money comes from ? magic faries in the sky,can this spending be justified ? no chance,young irish people leaving by the boatload at the same time.pc brigade can take a hike.enough is enough

Young Irish people have been leaving by the boatload for 150 years. Perhaps we should be looking to the institutions that govern us, rather than take it out on newcomers who (for the most part) contribute to Irish society?

alastair · 13-07-2012 05:38PM

old hippy wrote: »

Wake up call to what, exactly?

You must have missed it - the forgnirs are coming over with all their diseases and insistence on due legal process, and shipping all the money off to Poland and darn do-gooder NGO's and their media lackies. But now the truth is out!

old hippy · 13-07-2012 05:41PM

alastair wrote: »

You must have missed it - the forgnirs are coming over with all their diseases and insistence on due legal process, and shipping all the money off to Poland and darn do-gooder NGO's and their media lackies. But now the truth is out!

There's just so much darn truth on boards these days, I just can't process it all

Help me, somebody!

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 05:46PM

old hippy wrote: »

Young Irish people have been leaving by the boatload for 150 years. Perhaps we should be looking to the institutions that govern us, rather than take it out on newcomers who (for the most part) contribute to Irish society?

Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 05:59PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

............some people are born with common sense,and others are not..

Yep. Thats so very true.

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:02PM

Chucken wrote: »

That guy sounds like a good upstanding citizen

The original is even better, no catchy tunes though.

Rasheed · 13-07-2012 06:08PM

Is the story about the African woman leaving her buggy at the bus stop and saying she'll get another off the social an urban legend now?

I've heard it so many times, the country must be robbed buying buggies!

Nodin · 13-07-2012 06:10PM

Rasheed wrote: »

Is the story about the African woman leaving her buggy at the bus stop and saying she'll get another off the social an urban legend now?

Now, then, and in the future.

Rasheed wrote: »

I've heard it so many times, the country must be robbed buying buggies!

Free cars is the main thing. This country melts a glacier a day with the global warming caused by free cars for the black and brown folk.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 06:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

Now, then, and in the future.

Free cars is the main thing. This country melts a glacier a day with the global warming caused by free cars for the black and brown folk.

My friend used to get oodles of free abuse from some people in cars, on account of her skin colour, does that count? :rolleyes::(:)

Where were the mythical pc brigade then, eh? Eh?

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:15PM

Rasheed wrote: »

Is the story about the African woman leaving her buggy at the bus stop and saying she'll get another off the social an urban legend now?

I've heard it so many times, the country must be robbed buying buggies!

I've heard versions where it's a Roma woman leaving the buggy. These types of myths seem to replicate themselves with variations across different countries too, like the Polish eating swans thing seems (to me at least) to be derived from an urban myth in the UK about Somalis eating donkeys.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 06:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

Free cars is the main thing. This country melts a glacier a day with the global warming caused by free cars for the black and brown folk.

They paid for sky but wouldn't pay the TV licence.
Cigarette subsidy because they're dearer here than in Africa.

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:16PM

old hippy wrote: »

Where were the mythical pc brigade then, eh? Eh?

The first rule of the PC Brigade is: you do not talk about the PC Brigade.

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:18PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

They paid for sky but wouldn't pay the TV licence.
Cigarette subsidy because they're dearer here than in Africa.

There was a thread on the politics forum ages ago where lots of these were being trotted out. Socialising money is another thing 'Africans' get apparently, there was something about free taxi plates too. Oh and the people working in the social welfare offices are nicer to Africans than 'the Irish' was one of my personal favourites.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 06:19PM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

Polish eating swans thing seems (to me at least) to be derived from an urban myth in the UK about Somalis eating donkeys.

I know how that one originated.
There is a polish dish called something like gwumpkie. In English its Pigeon. A few guys were winding up the Irish in Newry and told them that their favourite polish dish is Swan (meaning pigeon).
Needless to say they took it literally and word spread round that the Polish were eating the swans from Newry canal for Christmas.

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:21PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I know how that one originated.
There is a polish dish called something like gwumpkie. In English its Pigeon. A few guys were winding up the Irish in Newry and told them that their favourite polish dish is Swan (meaning pigeon).
Needless to say they took it literally and word spread round that the Polish were eating the swans from Newry canal for Christmas.

Real life trolling, love it.

risteard7 · 13-07-2012 06:33PM

atkin wrote: »

Hi,
I have been banned from other sites for producing this information .
The figures are from the www.cso.ie The Irish statictics office 2011 census.
Total population of the Irish Republic 4,524281
Total born outside Ireland 766281
Total African population 54419 documented increase 17.9%
on 2006.
Total Polish 122585 increase 93.7% from 2006 .

The government had an Asylum agreement that you could only seek asylum at the first port of entry .The majority not disputed have come from the UK and sought asylum here when they were refused in the UK.There was no agreement on information sharing to identify them.They come and still do across the non existent border from Northern Ireland.There was also the Irish born children rule and that parents could get citizenship here if a child was born.A referendum changed this rule in 2004.Most live in rented accommodation now provided by the state and welfare .I believe many will never work .Over 90% of asylum claims are false it could be even 95%.

In 2006 the government allowed new EU members to come with only the restriction that they need to work 2 years before they can claim welfare.
The new EU members can claim welfare here and also a child allowance even if the children do not live here.The welfare is less in Poland for example.
These new EU immigrants worked here believing that they had a future but many lost their jobs and now claim welfare.
There is an increase in the issue of Irish passports which will give our 'new Irish' rights to bring family here.
There was a warning in 2006 that when EU structural funds finished it would mean a slow down in the economy.
What is astonishing the government heeded no warnings and examples of immigration in other countries.
I have worked 38 years and lost my job.I now queue for welfare and see those that just came here by deception getting money with a smile on their faces. This is not racist I just feel let down by government. There is now cuts to welfare,property tax and water rates.The number of Irish leaving is to work abroad is 40,000 each year 2009-2011. We export workers and import immigrants to claim welfare and state housing.
Remember foreigners are racist too and that includes blacks.I attended an international college of many nationalities and was subject to racial taunts from blacks.I did not take it serious however.
The illegal Irish in the USA work do not claim welfare and some even pay taxes. We are not a nation that had colonies but were ruled by Britain and were downtrodden.Looks like we are now fair game again or the usual phrase a SOFT TOUCH .
Jaysus you can find sheep easier than illegals and shop around asylum seekers

How dare you criticize immigration on here op.:cool: all the do gooders will shoot you down.

RaRaRasputin · 13-07-2012 06:35PM

If you're an asylum seeker you aren't allowed to work, so these people can't do very much until their status is cleared. If you have a work permit you should work and pay taxes, it's the same expectation in every single country, but you always get people who abuse the system. Those ones should be punished because they ruin the reputation of all the other genuine ones.

I understand that Irish people are sick of masses of foreigners coming in because they cost the state lots of money, but you should really differentiate between those who come here and make an effort and those who just take the piss. And not every immigrant takes away your jobs...many are just willing to do the jobs most people don't want to take up.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 06:35PM

risteard7 wrote: »

How dare you criticize immigration on here op.:cool: all the do gooders will shoot you down.

Only if they post the usual bobbins and half truths

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 06:44PM

In the 80's all Irish went to America and worked for a few years before even looking about getting a visa. My uncle was there 10 years before he even applied. Our way of looking at is "if they don't make it easy to work legally its not out problem".
Now we complain about migrants working legally here!

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 06:47PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

In the 80's all Irish went to America and worked for a few years before even looking about getting a visa. My uncle was there 10 years before he even applied. Our way of looking at is "if they don't make it easy to work legally its not out problem".
Now we complain about migrants working legally here!

Yes but the Irish didn't go over there to throw away social welfare buggies before getting on buses and eat swans so it's not the same thing.

Doddle · 13-07-2012 07:21PM

old hippy wrote: »

Oh it's the stats now? You keep changing your focus every few posts, I must admit, it is hard to keep track.

So, what is happening, then? Are we suffering from non existent Sharia Law zones as well?

Please explain

You must have smoked too much weed when you were young .
Free love and free everything is gone to your head or its just in the sand.
Can you sell sand to the Arabs ??

Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

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