Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:04PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

This is what came up when i googled sharia zone only uk..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/stephenbrown/sharia-controlled-zones-sweep-uk/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-entering-a-shariah-controlled-zone-uk-group-to-wage-islamic-law-campaign/

All articles refer to the same thing. Some arseholes (and theres a tiny number of them) who follow Anjem Choudray around put up stickers. That, you might be suprised to note, is not a "sharia" zone. Thats stickers up on a wall.

Micky Dolenz · 13-07-2012 03:06PM

I'd love to know how long those stickers were left up before being torn down or defaced.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 03:06PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

This is what came up when i googled sharia zone only uk..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/stephenbrown/sharia-controlled-zones-sweep-uk/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-entering-a-shariah-controlled-zone-uk-group-to-wage-islamic-law-campaign/

A bunch of fringe nutters declare these zones rather than it being actual law. More scaremongering nonsense from yourself :rolleyes:

Sure wouldn't you appreciate that kinda thing back home, seeing as you're terrified of the lawlessness nature of Dublin's Northside?

I live in London, as do many other posters on boards - we're doing alright - I lived opposite a mosque for 7 years and lived to tell the tale!

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 03:08PM

old hippy wrote: »

I live in London, as do many other posters on boards - we're doing alright - I lived opposite a mosque for 7 years and lived to tell the tale!

And no need to set the alarm clock

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 03:09PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'd love to know how long those stickers were left up before being torn down or defaced.

No doubt we'll be told the 'PC brigade' were up in arms about this happening.

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 03:11PM

Its all very well joking about it and downplaying its significance but it does have a rather large anti social element to it..

old hippy · 13-07-2012 03:12PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its all very well joking about it and downplaying its significance but it does have a rather large anti social element to it..

Your irresponsible scaremongering? I agree.

alastair · 13-07-2012 03:13PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its all very well joking about it and downplaying its significance but it does have a rather large anti social element to it..

What does? Pretending that the UK has 'gay-free, drink-free, and Sharia only' zones?

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 03:13PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its all very well joking about it and downplaying its significance but it does have a rather large anti social element to it..

Its significance is being downplayed because it is not significant. It's not like they're chopping off limbs in the middle of Trafalgar Square with the police standing around watching.

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 03:15PM

my question frank is do you realise they do things to each other in those communities my question is why should we not care,and intervene in this,there were young girls with their lives ahead of them MURDERED by their fathers for entertaining going out with another boy from another area/background..

alastair · 13-07-2012 03:15PM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

Its significance is being downplayed because it is not significant. It's not like they're chopping off limbs in the middle of Trafalgar Square with the police standing around watching.

Nah - that's the triads, don'cha know?

alastair · 13-07-2012 03:16PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

my question frank is do you realise they do things to each other in those communities my question is why should we not care,and intervene in this,there were young girls with their lives ahead of them MURDERED by their fathers for entertaining going out with another boy from another area/background..

I guess we've moved on from the 'zones' thing then?

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 03:17PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

my question frank is do you realise they do things to each other in those communities my question is why should we not care,and intervene in this,there were young girls with their lives ahead of them MURDERED by their fathers for entertaining going out with another boy from another area/background..

I never said 'we' shouldn't intervene if there is abuse going on anywhere - this has nothing to do with your assertion that there are Shari'a only zones in London. Also, 'honour' killings are not confined to Muslim communities.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:18PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

my question frank is do you realise they do things to each other in those communities my question is why should we not care,and intervene in this,there were young girls with their lives ahead of them MURDERED by their fathers for entertaining going out with another boy from another area/background..

...we've had people killed up the north for the same reason. In every community, theres a few arseholes, bigots and the like. Its no excuse for fucking hysteria.

Cork boy 55 · 13-07-2012 03:19PM

atkin wrote: »

Hi,
...

Economy

1: Social welfare cost
78,857 amount of non-Irish national on live register (388,066 Irish)
(see post number 102 for non-eu numbers)
If we compare the numbers on the dole with the populations recorded in the 2006 census
we see that some groups have high levels of social welfare dependence
http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...egister-2.html

2: Remittances
Money from temporary economic immigrants leaving country in from of remittances
I am not saying this is wrong of them, I am just saying this a reality of
liberal immigratiion polices.
Poles alone sent €841million home from Ireland in 2009
http://www.politics.ie/economy/14121...009-times.html

3: Cost of asylum system
The cost of dealing with asylum seekers will reach €300m this year(2008), with Irish lawyers making a killing from an estimated 1,200 judicial reviews of deportation cases by people who have entered the country illegally.
False claims help bill for asylum seekers to hit €300m - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

4: Social Housing
More than half of the applicants for council homes in north Dublin are from abroad, new figures show.
Over half on housing list are foreign - City News, National News - Herald.ie

5: Rent allowance.
Last week(2008), the figures appeared for the numbers of people receiving full state-subsidy for rental accommodation in Ireland. Nearly 40pc of them are immigrants.
Risible lies about immigrants no substitute for honest debate - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie

6: Child benefit payments
Child benefit payments parents living in Ireland who claim for non-resident children.
2005 ..... €720,000
2008 ..... €20.9 million
2010 ..... €15.4 million

State seeks to change EU child benefit rule - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 21, 2011

Justice

7: Prison Commitals
33.6% of all prison committals in 2007 where non-Irish national
Statistics-Home

8: Sham marriage
BETWEEN 10 and 15 per cent of the civil ceremonies conducted across the country may be “sham marriages” aimed purely at circumventing immigration rules, one of the country’s main marriage registrars has warned. Dennis Prior, superintendent registrar for the Health Service Executive eastern registration area, said the increase in suspected bogus marriages, which is now estimated at several hundred per year, was “disheartening and demoralising” for registrars
Registrar warns of rapid rise in 'sham marriages' - The Irish Times - Tue, Aug 17, 2010

9: Legal costs.
57% of judicial reviews in the High Court were 'asylum-related' in 2009 ie 749 of 1312.
Courts Service of Ireland 2009 report
23% (8.3m) of the State's funding to legal aid (€34,640,000) in 2009 was to represent asylum seekers through the Refugee Legal Service.
The costs of the State's legal defence to these actions, is extra but hidden in somebody else's budget. It is not clear if the costs of the Refugee Documentation Centre come out of the 8.3m.
http://www.legalaidboard.ie/ 2009 report
Interpreters for foreign national defendants in our courts cost €3.8m in 2008
Language costs for courts to hit €10m - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie

10: Illegal immigrants
Migrant Rights Centre states that 30,000 undocumented workers reside in the state by their estimate.
Focus on status of undocumented migrants - The Irish Times - Mon, May 23, 2011

Health

11: infectious disease
Two examples
60% of all HIV and Aids cases are non-Irish national
50% of all recent TB cases are non-Irish national
http://www.politics.ie/health-social...evealed-4.html

12: foreign doctors fitness to practise
MORE than 60% of Fitness to Practise (FTP) inquiries completed by the Medical Council in 2010 related to foreign doctors.
Foreign docs in 60% of conduct hearings | Irish Examiner

Education

13: Cost of translation services
1100 language assistants in schools in January 2010.
Language posts cut 'will hit integration' - Latest News, Education - Independent.ie

14: OECD Education ratings decline
Ireland has dropped in OECD Education rankings I believe immigration is a factor in this
how big a factor is debatable.
Ireland has slipped from 5th place in 2000 to 17th place,
the sharpest decline among 39 countries surveyed.
In maths, Ireland has fallen from 16th to 26th place, the second steepest decline among participating countries. Ireland is now ranked as below average in maths.
Yesterday, the Department said the increase in migrant children, the greater inclusion of children with special needs and fewer early school leavers could explain the decline in literacy and maths standards.
Ireland drops in literacy rankings - The Irish Times - Tue, Dec 07, 2010
Annual Monitoring Report on Integration 2010
From Table 3.4 we see that scores of non-English speaking immigrants scored ,
59 points lower in reading than Irish students
35 points lower in mathematics than Irish students
Table 3.4 Mean reading and mathematics scores in PISA 2009 by immigrant/language status, 15 year olds (Ireland)
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0504/integration.pdf

Miscellaneous

15: Professional immigration industry “NGOs”
The immigration industry in Ireland contains a total of 189 organisations (2007)
These groups dominate the media debate or what passes for debate , there is no opposing voice.
Their press statements are reprinted as facts in newspapers.
Some of the biggest are
ICI, II , NCCRI, IRC, MRCI, NASC, RIS,
Its would be a very hard task to calculate just how much taxpayers money is taken by these groups. It is estimated that One Foundation and Atlantic Philanthropies account for a major proportion of funding provided to many of these groups.
Taxpayer money can be funnelled into these groups
both through direct and indirect means for example Development Education Grants
Pobal, National Action Plan Against Racism, Office of the Minister for Integration
European grants, FAS, HSE and Lottery grants.
These groups funded partly by us now represent a powerful lobby group.
http://www.prospectus.ie/documents/P...port_Final.pdf

16: Irish naturalisation & immigration service
59,291,000 euro's 2010
http://www.budget.gov.ie/budgets/201...get%202011.pdf

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 03:19PM

And also, 'honour' killings are not confined to Muslim communities.

frank,above as to what you posted here is an example of downplaying these incidents which is confined to muslim communities,there are no catholic communities who are conducting honour killings,can you show me a link to this if there are,because i certainly never heard of them..

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 03:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

...we've had people killed up the north for the same reason. In every community, theres a few arseholes, bigots and the like. Its no excuse for fucking hysteria.

its not hysteria its sitting up taking notice ,and actively discussing such matters,downplaying the reasons as to why honour kilings happen,is not going to achieve anything..

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:21PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

........................

You've a point....?

old hippy · 13-07-2012 03:24PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

its not hysteria its sitting up taking notice ,and actively discussing such matters,downplaying the reasons as to why honour kilings happen,is not going to achieve anything..

More people get murdered over here after a fight in the pub. Talking about actively discussing matters, you seem to have cooled off with your sharia law bobbins. What's up, Taleban got your tongue?

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:24PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

its not hysteria its sitting up taking notice ,and actively discussing such matters,downplaying the reasons as to why honour kilings happen,is not going to achieve anything..

They're rare. Very rare. Thats not downplaying anything, thats a fact. You throwing your hands in the air and turning it into yet another hysterical "what are we gonna doooooooo?" bit of nonsense is the kind of scaremongering that creates social division.

Dravokivich · 13-07-2012 03:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

...we've had people killed up the north for the same reason. In every community, theres a few arseholes, bigots and the like. Its no excuse for fucking hysteria.

In fairness man, a lot of Christmas2012's posts tend to be hysterical.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:27PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

In fairness man, a lot of Christmas2012's posts tend to be hysterical.

Yeah, I noticed that. Either that or theres a sharia zone round my way thats keeping out the fridge snorting gang rapers.

alastair · 13-07-2012 03:30PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

frank,above as to what you posted here is an example of downplaying these incidents which is confined to muslim communities.

No it's not. Or yes - maybe in your notional gay-free zones it is - who knows what the dynamic is there.

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 03:38PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

frank,above as to what you posted here is an example of downplaying these incidents which is confined to muslim communities,there are no catholic communities who are conducting honour killings,can you show me a link to this if there are,because i certainly never heard of them..

That's some interesting logic; you've never heard of it happening in Catholic communities therefore it's a 'Muslim thing'.
Anyway, some examples:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/03/geeta-aulakh-murder-background-story
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/30/honour-killings-spreading-alarming-rate
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/10/honour-killings-caste-love-commandos

old hippy · 13-07-2012 03:39PM

SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE, DAMN YE ALL! :P

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE, DAMN YE ALL! :P

...I'm going up on the roof in a minute to keep an eye out for the bearded ones. If I don't post back in a few minutes, it means they've got me.

Or I might have fallen down and broke me bollix.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 03:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

...I'm going up on the roof in a minute to keep an eye out for the bearded ones. If I don't post back in a few minutes, it means they've got me.

Or I might have fallen down and broke me bollix.

Just don't take any drink or gays with you :rolleyes:

Frank Grimes · 13-07-2012 03:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

...I'm going up on the roof in a minute to keep an eye out for the bearded ones. If I don't post back in a few minutes, it means they've got me.

You'd better hope they don't have their Muslamic ray guns with them.

Nodin · 13-07-2012 03:46PM

old hippy wrote: »

Just don't take any drink or gays with you :rolleyes:

Or pork products. Or swans. Or jobs.

Chucken · 13-07-2012 04:04PM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

You'd better hope they don't have their Muslamic ray guns with them.

That guy sounds like a good upstanding citizen

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