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  • #182
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    atkin wrote: »
    To visit most non EU countries requires a visa and can be restrictive.

    IRish people need a visa into Europe?

    Or you mean Non Irish / Non EU people who reside in Ireland lawfully (and have no Eu family) who want to enter other EU countries?

    If it is the second case, then there is no EU law(ie free movement) at issue in the first place, bar schegen


  • #183
    MAR86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭MAR86


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Romania is a tough one... there would be that perception because people who we identify as Romanian would dress in a certain way and seem to have some negative aspects in common. I know one Romanian woman who is totally different and says that the Roma are not from her country.
    Unfortunately we don't recognise non-Roma Romanians as being from Romania so there is the idea that all Romanians are bad.


    I know that, I can't forget because i see them on the streets with their paper cups asking for change :mad: I just hope that soon enough they'll leave the country as there aren't too many people now giving them money


  • #184
    atkin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭atkin


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    That doesn't answer my question.

    And didn't Ireland join in the early 70's?

    yes 1973 .
    What is your question ? I should leave like you and find a better life .


  • #185
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    atkin wrote: »
    Ok open the doors let all in and give em welfare free houses from the ghost estates.You happy now.

    Just happy to help expose your underlying issue - frankly I'd rather deal with a few economic migrants chancing their arm with the limited options regarding immigration, than embittered racists who can't spot the irony of their own economic migrancy history. At least the cuisine payoff is better.


  • #186
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    That doesn't answer my question.

    And didn't Ireland join in the early 70's?
    January 1st 1973


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  • #187
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    They were right.
    The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union under its current name in 1993.

    After Ireland joined the EEC, the Dutch would be wrong.

    There was the EEC. Free movement was present from day 1 in the 1950's. Laws on Free movement has not substantially changed in core princple since then. Plenty of case law and legislation was in place before 1993

    You could not be discriminated on the basis of your nationality. You had the right to work there. Case law later in the 1980's said that you had a right to move and look for work


    The poster that you were referring to , got screwed the law was being broken


    1993 brought the concept of EU citizenship. Initially that was thought of being a mere label. But, in the last few years the concept has been used to keep people (mostly non EU people ) to stay on basis of family connection to EU citizens, who themselves would not comply with ordinary free movement rules in the Treaty and legislation

    Think before you type next time.


  • #188
    atkin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭atkin


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    They were right.
    The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union under its current name in 1993.

    Well I went to another employment office and the guy said start tomorrow.
    Steal a bike if you have to get there I don't care .


  • #189
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    alastair wrote: »
    Just happy to help expose your underlying issue - frankly I'd rather deal with a few economic migrants chancing their arm with the limited options regarding immigration, than embittered racists who can't spot the irony of their own economic migrancy history. At least the cuisine payoff is better.

    It is totally irrelevant when you speak to Irish people who have lived and worked here all their lives and never emigrated. If your stupid enough that this has to be pointed out , then your not worth the hassle


  • #190
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    atkin wrote: »
    yes 1973 .
    What is your question ? I should leave like you and find a better life .

    Spent many a good, interesting year being a foreigner.Maybe you should give it a shot again.

    Would you be in favour of restricted movement of Irish people within the EU?


  • #191
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    walrusgumble wrote: »
    It is totally irrelevant when you speak to Irish people who have lived and worked here all their lives and never emigrated. If your stupid enough that this has to be pointed out , then your not worth the hassle

    Ehh - My post was directed to an individual - who was open enough about the fact they had moved abroad for work. Aside from that - you're free to fire ahead. :rolleyes:


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  • #192
    walrusgumble
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    alastair wrote: »
    Ehh - My post was directed to an individual - who was open enough about the fact they had moved abroad for work. Aside from that - you're free to fire ahead. :rolleyes:

    I am very sorry, I misread that.


  • #193
    Sappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Sappa wrote: »
    Give it a try and see of you like it when your own culture is not accepted in these cities and they would rather Muslim law than British law and can't be bothered to speak the countries language.
    I'm all for a bit of integration but we should look to Europe and see Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty.
    The whole project is flawed and needs restructuring,what might have worked in the 70's 80's does not work now and a new approach us needed,Ireland will go the same way.

    Some Muslims want to ban alcohol. Some Christians want to ban divorce and being gay. Both can go **** themselves in equal measures. It doesn't mean we should deport either.
    You clearly didn't get my point,they don't want their adopted countries culture they want there own culture and rules and the adopted society to give them this.
    You can't compare Christians wanting bo divorce to ethnic minorities ostracising themselves to society and ghettoising entire localities of major cities.


  • #194
    Sappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Sappa wrote: »
    Give it a try and see of you like it when your own culture is not accepted in these cities and they would rather Muslim law than British law and can't be bothered to speak the countries language.
    I'm all for a bit of integration but we should look to Europe and see Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty.
    The whole project is flawed and needs restructuring,what might have worked in the 70's 80's does not work now and a new approach us needed,Ireland will go the same way.
    Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty
    Link to Evidence of this?
    Link to personal experience,I've worked in them all and had a first hand experience of this as fact.
    Life isn't one big statistical graph,you seem very naieve.


  • #195
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Sappa wrote: »
    Link to personal experience,I've worked in them all and had a first hand experience of this as fact.
    Life isn't one big statistical graph,you seem very naieve.
    I have lived and worked in both Paris and Leiden and have not seen evidence of this.
    I take it by "personal experience" you mean its just your opinion, not fact , no evidence.


  • #196
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Sappa wrote: »
    Link to personal experience,I've worked in them all and had a first hand experience of this as fact.
    Life isn't one big statistical graph,you seem very naieve.


    I've worked in two of the three and services there, leave those found in Ireland to shame.


  • #197
    Sappa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Sappa wrote: »
    Link to personal experience,I've worked in them all and had a first hand experience of this as fact.
    Life isn't one big statistical graph,you seem very naieve.


    I've worked in two of the three and services there, leave those found in Ireland to shame.
    Ha ha don't get me started on the level of services here compared to the continent.
    Definitely there health,transport and infrastructure is far better than ours but when immigration first took hold of these places they did just like Ireland,nothing.
    Cue 20-30 yrs later and it is a major problem for these places and they have themselves to blame,riots in Paris being one.
    I first worked in Geneva 12 yrs ago,it was a safe clean place with a European feel.
    I took my wife on hols there last yr and I could not believe the change for the worse,it has become just like Brussels,swamped with young north Africans hanging around,that safe feeling is well gone and crime isxno a problem in Geneva.
    You need controls and this can all be predicted,x amount extra people in the country x amount new demand on public services and social assistance.
    If our governments followed real policies and used proper planning them they can predict the impact 5-10 yrs down the road and plan for this,hence why free movement is such a strain on Ireland.
    Gonna bow out of this now as work to do.


  • #198
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Some Muslims want to ban alcohol. Some Christians want to ban divorce and being gay. Both can go **** themselves in equal measures. It doesn't mean we should deport either.

    Once we let religious foreign and some native nuts of course take hold of our irish community we are f***ked completely,they have gay free zones and drink free zones/sharia only zones in some part of the uk,the facts are when the numbers are up they will make their demands on the rest of our island,they will ignore our laws and do their own thing,and they are the first to talk about respect.


  • #199
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, and they changed that to this
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=1




    What has this to do with Asylum seekers?

    And yes, once they pay tax here, they can claim here. Thats how it works.




    Yes, the horror wreaked by hordes of Poles, Latvians and Lithuanians across the continent.....



    Who came here by deception?



    No, we don't.


    I fail to see your point.


    ...they don't claim because they're illegal.



    We have the highest refusal rate for asylum seekers in Europe.

    source for last part??


  • #200
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    twinytwo wrote: »
    source for last part??
    There are lots of articles, here are a couple:

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/news/draconian-asylum-and-immigration-system-needs-reform-mr-shatter-182175.html
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/only-25-granted-asylum-last-year-lowest-rate-in-eu-2599995.html

    The acceptance rates have always been low; you can see for yourself on www.orac.ie - they publish the stats on a regular basis.


  • #201
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Once we let religious foreign and some native nuts of course take hold of our irish community we are f***ked completely,they have gay free zones and drink free zones/sharia only zones in some part of the uk,the facts are when the numbers are up they will make their demands on the rest of our island,they will ignore our laws and do their own thing,and they are the first to talk about respect.

    Can you identity the locations of said UK:

    1. Gay-free zones
    2. Drink-free zones
    3. Sharia only zones

    I'm dying to know.


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  • #202
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Once we let religious foreign and some native nuts of course take hold of our irish community we are f***ked completely,they have gay free zones and drink free zones/sharia only zones in some part of the uk,the facts are when the numbers are up they will make their demands on the rest of our island,they will ignore our laws and do their own thing,and they are the first to talk about respect.

    If Joyce had written for the daily mail, he might have written like you......

    Besides, according to you they'd be driven out by the heroin needles and the freezer snorting gang rapers anyway.


  • #203
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    all those threads i posted are valid,and the area in question in the UK was london it was in an apartment like estate,you can google sharia only zones and london and it will come up online so you can have a gawk for yourself..


  • #204
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    all those threads i posted are valid,and the area in question in the UK was london it was in an apartment like estate,you can google sharia only zones and london and it will come up online so you can have a gawk for yourself..

    I'd rather you provided some links - being the expert on such matters.


  • #205
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    all those threads i posted are valid,and the area in question in the UK was london it was in an apartment like estate,you can google sharia only zones and london and it will come up online so you can have a gawk for yourself..

    Links. You stated it, you provide the proof/backup. Thats the way it works.


  • #206
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    alastair wrote: »
    I'd rather you provided some links - being the expert on such matters.
    All I can find are articles from last year about a poster/sticker campaign by Anjem Choudary and his band of nutjobs - I can't see anything about this being actually legislated for by the UK parliament to I'd like to see those links too.


  • #207
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Nodin wrote: »
    Links. You stated it, you provide the proof/backup. Thats the way it works.

    This is what came up when i googled sharia zone only uk..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/stephenbrown/sharia-controlled-zones-sweep-uk/
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-entering-a-shariah-controlled-zone-uk-group-to-wage-islamic-law-campaign/


  • #208
    pontia
    Site Banned Posts: 385 ✭✭pontia


    alastair,have you spent much time on long john silvers shoulder? seems to be a parrot situation here


  • #209
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    This is what came up when i googled sharia zone only uk..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/stephenbrown/sharia-controlled-zones-sweep-uk/
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-entering-a-shariah-controlled-zone-uk-group-to-wage-islamic-law-campaign/

    So - no actual gay-free, drink-free, or Sharia only zones then? That's a bit of a let-down after such a confident start. It's also worth pointing out that neither Anjem Choudary or that ginger fellah in the Mail picture are actually eh, immigrants.


  • #210
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    pontia wrote: »
    alastair,have you spent much time on long john silvers shoulder? seems to be a parrot situation here

    Don't know the man. Sorry.


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  • #211
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    This is what came up when i googled sharia zone only uk..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/stephenbrown/sharia-controlled-zones-sweep-uk/
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-entering-a-shariah-controlled-zone-uk-group-to-wage-islamic-law-campaign/
    Anjem Choudary does not represent Muslims in the UK, you'll find he's in the middle of most of these stunts as he's a good self-publicist both for himself and his group(s). The Shari'a councils are similar to the Jewish Beth Din in the UK, they do not have precedence over British law.


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