Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

BunShopVoyeur · 09-07-2012 10:26AM

R019912 wrote: »

Have to laugh at the reaction from ignorant arseholes who weren't even at the gig. I was there the whole day and saw one fight in total (hardly a surprise seeing at least one fight!). In a group of 45,000 people or whatever the figure was, a select few decided to act like utter gob****es, but that hardly reflects the vast majority. So stop painting us all with the same brush. 99% of people were there to have a good time, and I loved it.

"I didn't see it so it never happened"

Cop on.

RobbieTheRobber · 09-07-2012 10:28AM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

That goes without saying, but why should it be an impossibility in Ireland?

Why can't we aim to be a fair and decent society?

At the moment we seem to be resigned to letting the scumbags run wild.

We do aim to be a fair and decent society and the scumbags do not run wild.
As bad as people getting stabbed at a concert is for those individuals it does not equate to a country being run by scumbags.

R019912 · 09-07-2012 10:28AM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

"I didn't see it so it never happened"

Cop on.

I suggest you read my two previous posts and look for the bit where I said it never happened. My point is that you'd swear this sorta carry on was all over the place. It was a few isolated (and admittedly shocking) incidents.

I know full well what happened, so I suggest you cop on yourself.

Mr. Loverman · 09-07-2012 10:31AM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

We do aim to be a fair and decent society and the scumbags do not run wild.
As bad as people getting stabbed at a concert is for those individuals it does not equate to a country being run by scumbags.

Well, FF only got out of power recently...

Dyr · 09-07-2012 10:33AM

SO you start with this

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

The solution?

Well a start could be things like this:

- A ban on alcohol advertising.
- Alcohol must be hidden from sight in shops (sort of the way cigarettes are hidden from sight now) so you have to ask for what you want rather than walk into a lovely, huge alcohol section.
- No more below cost alcohol promotions or alcohol promotions in general
- Advertising campaign showing the real effects of alcohol
- Some sort of stricter law (actually implemented) about being drunk in public

And you finish with this:

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

We need to grow up as a country.

oh the ironing

Cheeky_gal · 09-07-2012 10:34AM

Fm104 posted a link to the video on YouTube last night on Facebook, not sure if anyone here saw it...

Anyways there were hundreds of comments under it and the vast majority were saying "I witnessed nothing. It was the bet gig of my life as far as I'm concerned", followed by dozens of "likes".

Wtf is wrong with people? The lack of sensitivity is unreal. I couldn't believe people were "liking" these comments

I've worked at loads of these gigs before, the majority are scumbags. I've stood beside bar men that have had blood spat in their faces for refusing to serve alcohol to someone who's clearly had too much. It's sick

SerialComplaint · 09-07-2012 10:34AM

Lumbo wrote: »

seperate protest from Council workers chanting "tuk ur jibs".

Please do let us know when you get back from 1975.

RobbieTheRobber · 09-07-2012 10:34AM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Well, FF only got out of power recently...

Stupid stupid argument.
Oh your right fianna fail were in power recently so irish society is crumbling sure I might go out and stab someone myself.
Cop on! :rolleyes:

I Heart Internet · 09-07-2012 10:35AM

Seems like this whole mess could be captioned with "Sign that the Apocalypse is nigh". Seems to be 3 issues at play here -

1) "Scumbags" - a very small element of Irish society that have no sense of right and wrong, civic order or plain decency. They have no fear of judgement or punishment in this life or the next.

2) Alcohol - the drink soaked nature of our society. The notion among young and not so young that its important to consume huge amounts of alcohol before, during and after almost any kind of entertainment event. Lowers the (already tiny) inhibitions of "scumbags" as well as everyone else.

3) Illegal drugs - The deaths due to "overdose" are an entirely seperate story here. Overdose is a misleading description as we don't know what they consumed and how much. Probably 90% of the "trouble" at the gig was caused by scumbags and alcohol but, nevertheless, up to 3 people have died because they consumed something they'd have been better off avoiding.

What can sensible, decent people do when the above three issues merge into a ****storm like Saturday's concert? Not a whole lot. Only don't behave like that ourselves and try and raise our kids to be responsible, decent citizens.

Rezident · 09-07-2012 10:35AM

Saddened but not surprised. This is what skangers do. Because this is what they want to do and what we let them get away with.

smash · 09-07-2012 10:35AM

A couple of police with some drug sniffing dogs wouldn't be a bad idea at the gates of these concerts.

BunShopVoyeur · 09-07-2012 10:36AM

R019912 wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

"I didn't see it so it never happened"

Cop on.

I suggest you read my two previous posts and look for the bit where I said it never happened. My point is that you'd swear this sorta carry on was all over the place. It was a few isolated (and admittedly shocking) incidents.

I know full well what happened, so I suggest you cop on yourself.

:rolleyes:

Sure...

Cokeistan · 09-07-2012 10:36AM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Yes but you are viewing this problem linearly when it is one that is actually tied up in an unnecessary loop. Nobody wants to give their money to scumbags but that is the situation that legislation has created. In Prohibition America you would have been giving your money to scumbags as that is the only place alcohol could be purchased. An issue legislation created and then reversed by legalising alcohol. Same argument could be made for marijuana, ecstasy etc. Regulate the selling and purify the output and you reduce the risk of taking but, more importantly, you remove the criminal element. Hence the reason we all saw Head Shops burning. They were (at the time) legally cornering drug dealers out of the market.

You share the same opinion on this as my parents would (i'm 30 btw) but it is this attitude, while good-hearted, which is ignorantly exacerbating the problem

Are you comparing marijuana to ecstasy?

thefly · 09-07-2012 10:38AM

Prop Joe wrote: »

People who do drugs are f**king Gob****es

Do you drink alcohol Prop Joe and do you think people that drink alcohol are "f**king Gob****es"?

R019912 · 09-07-2012 10:41AM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Sure...

Ah, the sweet sound of someone who has been well and truly shut up. We can all come on to internet forums anonymously and tell people to cop on without even bothering to read what they said. Chapeau

BunShopVoyeur · 09-07-2012 10:45AM

R019912 wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Sure...

Ah, the sweet sound of someone who has been well and truly shut up. We can all come on to internet forums anonymously and tell people to cop on without even bothering to read what they said. Chapeau

Quiet down there princess, you're full of it.

Any fool can shut their eyes to the waves of human shît that attended that concert if they like....you were in your little bubble, didn't notice much so go around claiming it was a normal gig. It wasn't.

kunst nugget · 09-07-2012 10:47AM

Let this all be a lesson to you good folk out there. Make sure to give your kids decent taste in music before they get tempted to go to a scumfest like that. It's never too early to start.

R019912 · 09-07-2012 10:47AM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Quiet down there princess, you're full of shît.

That'd be prince to you. Anyways brave soldier, I'm done responding to you and your petty little personal attacks.

09-07-2012 10:47AM

smash wrote: »

A couple of police with some drug sniffing dogs wouldn't be a bad idea at the gates of these concerts.

I've been to gigs in Scotland and Oz where there's been sniffer dogs.Drugs were still rampant.

Imo, drugs weren't the big problem the other night. The gig attracted a bad element of people that were there to cause trouble. Alcohol was a far more likely benifactor to voilence.

smash · 09-07-2012 10:52AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I've been to gigs in Scotland and Oz where there's been sniffer dogs.Drugs were still rampant.

Still a start though to have something there.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Imo, drugs weren't the big problem the other night. The gig attracted a bad element of people that were there to cause trouble. Alcohol was a far more likely benifactor to voilence.

Another thing is that the security at the even is sparse and by looking at the videos on youtube, they didn't seem to get involved in trying to break up the fights. not that I blame them really.

Thatnastyboy · 09-07-2012 10:53AM

This is a disgrace of a thread.

scdublin · 09-07-2012 10:53AM

Just awful. Unfortunately these events attract situations like this because so many people are off their faces on whatever they've had.
Makes so much sense, spend loads of money to get the tickets and to buy booze/drugs and then not remember the night at all! Why do they even go? I'll never understand that one...

Cianos · 09-07-2012 10:54AM

Having these kinds of concerts aimed at young people so close to the city centre isn't a good idea unfortunately.

From an article about it;

Some concert-goers were robbed of their tickets and personal effects at knife-point.

This means that the troublemakers were just able to stroll up to the park with a knife, mug others for their tickets and then just stroll in to the gig, for free.

If it was happening further outside the city, it'd be a lot more hassle and expense to get to so the impulsive element wouldn't be there.

I'd almost guarantee the people mugged were probably very young themselves and unable to look after themselves. An older crowd wouldn't be as quick to tolerate that and the troublemakers wouldn't be as brazen. At this stage I think the organisers should be able to predict the trouble expected dependent on the artist(s) playing and the ease of access to the venue and should take a lot more responsibility from same.

I Heart Internet · 09-07-2012 10:57AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Imo, drugs weren't the big problem the other night. The gig attracted a bad element of people that were there to cause trouble. Alcohol was a far more likely benifactor to voilence.

I agree. I have very strong views on the problem of illegal drugs but in terms of the violence I think alcohol and lack of "nomal" level of decency and humanity amongst a tiny amount of people are far more to blame.

However, in the case of the 3 people who are reported to have died from "overdoses" illegal drugs are likely to have had a part to play.

Bottom line - raise your kids to not be scumbags, to respect alcohol and to not bother with illegal drugs.........probably in that order tbh.

Zascar · 09-07-2012 11:00AM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

This is a disgrace of a thread.

Really? I think its one of the better threads I've seen in a long time in after hours. Its rare to see one that actually has proper discussion and not just loads of 'your ma' and 'blast him with piss' etc

Brain Stroking · 09-07-2012 11:05AM

Cokeistan wrote: »

Are you comparing marijuana to ecstasy?

Not in terms of their makeup or effect but in the wider drugs argument yes

Mr. Loverman · 09-07-2012 11:05AM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Stupid stupid argument.
Oh your right fianna fail were in power recently so irish society is crumbling sure I might go out and stab someone myself.
Cop on! :rolleyes:

It's called a joke.

Green Diesel · 09-07-2012 11:08AM

Zascar wrote: »

Really? I think its one of the better threads I've seen in a long time in after hours. Its rare to see one that actually has proper discussion and not just loads of 'your ma' and 'blast him with piss' etc

A discussion ranging from blaming: Scumbags, the parents, dance music or chart music, drink, the youth, illegal drugs, MCD, Dublin City Council... I even read someone on TheJournal.ie who was convinced it was the fault of the lighting!

Hysterical thread is hysterical.

There are stabbings up and down the country every weekend in the wee hours. Imagine there were 45,000 people on the piss all day on Harcourt street, and they could all fit into coppers / diceys etc... result would be similar. Nobody gives a monkeys until something happens at a big event.

All said, better than your average AH thread, but the bar is set very low in that regard.

Thatnastyboy · 09-07-2012 11:09AM

Zascar wrote: »

Really? I think its one of the better threads I've seen in a long time in after hours. Its rare to see one that actually has proper discussion and not just loads of 'your ma' and 'blast him with piss' etc

Yep,

I'm not going to argue it out with you though, you have your opinion and I have mine,

I would like to see a slight bit more sensitivity displayed towards the death of 21 year old Shane Brophy,

in the light of some posters generalising all of the atendees as 'scum' etc.

Green Diesel · 09-07-2012 11:11AM

RIP Shane Brophy.

Nobody knows the facts, very unfair to call the attendees (or majority of attendees) scumbags.

Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

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