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Is it wrong to be attracted to your first cousin?

  • 05-07-2012 11:40AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,010 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Is it wrong to enter into a sexual relationship with your first cousin?
    We are both consenting mature adults that have only meet recently.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Milk & Honey


    cousins?oy wrote: »
    Is it wrong to enter into a sexual relationship with your first cousin?
    We are both consenting mature adults that have only meet recently.

    Are you cross cousins or parallel cousins?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,010 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I had to google/wiki to understand that question.
    Cross cousins


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,583 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd see nothing wrong in feeling the attraction, acting on it however would be incredibly stupid: the odds of healthy children are just too risky.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Ellsbells


    Do they want a sexual relationship? What would happen if a pregnancy occurred as a result? Have you looked into the genetic implications?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭irishbarb


    If it was your 2nd cousin it would be a little bit more understandable, but 1st cousin is just way too closely related. If you ever were to have children, there is a slighty increased risk of having children with a disability, that right there, to me, is nature's way of telling us we shouldn't be hooking up with family members. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's wrong, in many cultures (Irish travellers, for an Irish example) and religions it's acceptable and done all the time. For me personally, I wouldn't do it. If you were to start anything, it's going to be very difficult for both of you you are going to have to deal with friends and family judging you for it. You have to think would it be worth falling out with them, just for a sexual relationship?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    cousins?oy wrote: »
    We are both consenting mature adults that have only meet recently.

    Have a read into 'genetic sexual attraction', it sounds like this is what is happening between you and your cousin if you've just met as adults for the first time.

    Needless to say, it's not something that is socially acceptable in most western countries (outside of certain usually minority groups, as someone mentioned Travellers etc), not to mention the risks you run should you become pregnant. It will likely cause all kinds of ruptions in your family and tar your reputation if it becomes widely known.

    I suppose it's up to you decide if it's really worth all that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    OP, initially, my gut instinct is to say no....this is very wrong

    But then you did ask if it's wrong to be attracted to your cousin, not to engage in sexual contact with them, and I suppose no, it's not wrong to be attracted to your cousin if they are attractive. Basic Biology. Whether you act on it is the next question.

    However, I must also air words of caution like the other posters here and say that if you did have a relationship with her you would not be able to get legally married and you run the risk of producing unhealthy children.

    I suppose, as you say, that both of you are adults - but you will have to be extremely careful with your sex life, run the risk of disgracing or allienating your family, will never legally be able to marry (that has bigger implications then you think) and (probably most importantly) run the risk of feeling ashamed by the whole affair yourself when you wake up one morning in about a year

    Maybe this is just lust and will fade over time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    Yes. I think it is wrong. But it would be a whole lot more wrong to ever act on you feelings. Avoid this person until the feeling pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    irishbarb wrote: »
    If it was your 2nd cousin it would be a little bit more understandable, but 1st cousin is just way too closely related. If you ever were to have children, there is a slighty increased risk of having children with a disability, that right there, to me, is nature's way of telling us we shouldn't be hooking up with family members. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's wrong, in many cultures (Irish travellers, for an Irish example) and religions it's acceptable and done all the time. For me personally, I wouldn't do it. If you were to start anything, it's going to be very difficult for both of you you are going to have to deal with friends and family judging you for it. You have to think would it be worth falling out with them, just for a sexual relationship?

    I once read the risk for children is worse with 2nd cousins than 1st cousins. I think both cases are both equally disturbing and wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭The Lovely Muffin


    Is it wrong? No, it's not wrong, you cannot help who you are attracted to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    Is it wrong? No, it's not wrong, you cannot help who you are attracted to.

    If it's not wrong then why are 1st cousin not allowed marry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    Legally, it appears that you can marry your first cousin if the citizen's information website is anything to go by. As to whether sleeping with a cousin is to be recommended, well that's another matter entirely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭mood


    cymbaline wrote: »
    Legally, it appears that you can marry your first cousin if the citizen's information website is anything to go by. As to whether sleeping with a cousin is to be recommended, well that's another matter entirely.

    Marrying a cousin would imply that you would sleep with them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    mood wrote: »
    If it's not wrong then why are 1st cousin not allowed marry?
    They are, it's perfectly legal.

    Nothing inherently wrong about it, very little risk to any offspring. But it's a bit weird. From a parental point of view it's just one step away in the creepy stakes from two of your own children having sex.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭BunShopVoyeur


    Is it wrong? No, it's not wrong, you cannot help who you are attracted to.

    You obviously think it's fine to find a brother or sister attractive then? Maybe a parent or grandparent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    mood wrote: »
    Marrying a cousin would imply that you would sleep with them!

    The OP isn't talking about marrying them, just having sex. Someone else in the thread suggested they'd not be able to marry.

    Personally the idea creeps me out but then I know all my cousins since they were kids and I view them in the same way I see my brothers and sisters. It's certainly taboo and unlikely to be welcomed by the family. But legally there actually isn't anything wrong with it.


  • Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cousins?oy wrote: »
    Is it wrong to enter into a sexual relationship with your first cousin?
    We are both consenting mature adults that have only meet recently.

    It's not wrong OP, and you shouldn't feel bad for it.

    But I would strongly advise you don't act on your feelings. It's not wrong, but it's socially taboo and there are the genetic risks if you got pregnant.

    Not to trivialise the issue, but it's a bit like picking your nose. It's not wrong, but it's pretty weird, people will judge you for it and there's a small chance of health complications. So best not to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Well I don't think it's wrong, exactly. I do think it's very strange and something most "normal" (I use that loosely)* people would also find strange.

    But it's not unheard of at all. Apart from the obvious "please don't have kids due to medical issues", I would find it strange but not forbidden.

    *Considering that it is your cousin and (s)he is above the legal age (like yourself), stop worrying what other's think. Talk to your cousin and find out what they think. If you both are satisfied with a relationship, go for it. Be prepared to get a lot of looks and a lot questions from family members, though. And again, please don't try for kids (or at the very least please get medical advice first).

    Best of luck to you :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,010 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Years ago when I was about 20 years old I had a sexual relationship with my 1st cousin of the same age.
    We had not grown up together ( she lived in the UK ) and our ' relationship ' ( overstating it if I'm truthful ) started on a visit she made here.
    It was great , she was attractive and great fun and I have no regrets - a combination of distance and inevitable family disapproval mean that it would end which it did. My parents while unaware of the sexual aspect were, I sensed , starting to get a little uneasy and we decided that it was not worth it - it was far more of a sex thing than anything else.

    I really have no regrets and though I have never hidden any aspect of my past from my current partner that is the one thing she does not and will not know - ever. My cousin is now married with her own family and likewise she has not told her husband of what went on and I suppose we are aware now of just how strongly family and society in general dissapprove of such relationships.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


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  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you want to do it, ensure there's protection used. As other's have said, there could be potential health implications for any offspring. If it's completely legal, then I don't see a problem - not for everybody, but since you're both consenting adults and both happy with the thought, then do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    So much misinformation on this thread.

    1. It is not even remotely against the law to have a relationship with, have sex with or marry your first cousin.

    2. Sexual relationships between first cousins do not in themselves create health issues for any offspring that might occur.

    3. There is most certainly no greater risk to the offspring of second cousins.

    4. Why people think they do is because when two family members procreate together there is a somewhat increased risk that both parents will be carriers of a recessive gene, inherited from a shared grandparent (or great-grandparent in the case of second cousins). Ie, the Cystic Fibrosis gene is recessive, if I was a carrier but my husband wasn't our children would never get Cystic Fibrosis and would not be likely to carry the gene either. But if I marry my cousin on the same side that the gene was passed from the odds that he also has the gene are much higher than they are if I marry from the general population.

    The main reason people think cousin marriages cause huge genetic problems is because in cultures where cousin marriage is common, for example among the European aristocracy and their famous line of haemophiliacs, cousin marriages weren't a once off, were a continuing cycle, with the offspring of cousins, marrying some other cousins who were also the product of some cousins and their children would likely go on to marry cousins. So instead of the recessive gene dying out as the bloodline it came from gets more and more diluted, it instead grows in commonality within that group and the odds of being affected by it increase with each generation. To continue the Cystic Fibrosis example from the last paragraph; And if I married a cousin and he was a carrier then our children are much more likely to be sufferers or carriers. If our children then marry some of our other cousins from the same line then the risk increases again. And when they marry their cousins, who are also the result of that line of cousin marriages, carrying the same gene, the risk increases exponentially. However this can also be true of positive genes such as genetic immunity to certain diseases that most of the general population are at risk of.

    So no OP it's no 'wrong' to pursue a relationship with your cousin and in certain cultures it would possibly be encouraged. But in this culture it is seen as very, very odd and extremely taboo. If you and your cousin pursued this relationship would be likely to resemble a metaphorical grenade exploding in your extended family. I know that logically there is little to worry about when it comes to two cousins in a relationship but if two of my family members who were each other's cousins began a relationship it would make me feel incredibly weirded out, because my gut reaction is that it's ick. And there are few people I would like my child to form a romantic/sexual relationship with less than the children of mine or my husband's siblings. And if it would be tough for me to deal with then I can't quite imagine how badly it would go down with people who believe the kind of nonsense about cousin relationships that most people seem to believe.

    You would both want to genuinely care very little about the relationships you each have with the rest of your family, about the relationships that your parents have with their siblings and their parents and be very, very sure that your relationship with this cousin is truly worth pursuing before going any further because it's not something that can be undone and could easily effect a lot of people you both care about for the rest of your lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭qrrgprgua


    cousins?oy wrote: »
    Is it wrong to enter into a sexual relationship with your first cousin?
    We are both consenting mature adults that have only meet recently.


    Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins. His Father and her mother were siblings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,010 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    First thanks to Everyone for you Mature Comments. I had been extremely nervous about posting about this on Boards.ie

    @beks101
    Thanks for the suggestion on GSA. It gave me plenty to research and read this morning. While GSA seems to be more about Parents & Offspring or Siblings separated at birth, I do think it does help explain what is going on between me and my cousin.

    The Lovely Muffin
    Thanks for your comment
    Is it wrong? No, it's not wrong, you cannot help who you are attracted to.
    You would not believe what a relief it is to read this.

    When I initially realised that I was attracted to my cousin (and it is the strongest attraction I have ever felt.) It frightened the life out of me. Partly because I would have also thought it wrong to be involved with a family member, I had believed it was illegal and came with a high risk of birth defects. Also because this cousin would be outside my usual gender preference for a partner.

    @cousin 1 (guest)
    Thank you for sharing your story. Mine would be very similar except we are a little older than 20. It is a comfort to know that someone else, who is mature and well adjusted has also been through this and survived.

    @iguana
    Thanks your post sums up what most of my research has also found. As someone who's career is based on balancing the risk of a negative outcome from a human activity versus the background risk of the negative outcome occurring naturally, I would find the Birth Defect risk (after reading academic) not much higher than for two individuals who are not related. (Not that their is any intention or plan to have a long term relationship OR children.)

    As for our families the fact that neither of us can discuss it with our respective families is something that is putting a lot of stress, worry, and anxiety on both of us and is why I posted here.

    To clarify for those who are wondering. No I have never been and could never imagine being, (in fact the thought turns my stomach,) attracted to other cousins I have known since I was young, including step-cousins. Or my Nieces, Nephews, Siblings, Parents, Aunts Uncles etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,010 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    cousins?oy wrote: »

    To clarify for those who are wondering. No I have never been and could never imagine being, (in fact the thought turns my stomach,) attracted to other cousins I have known since I was young, including step-cousins. Or my Nieces, Nephews, Siblings, Parents, Aunts Uncles etc.

    OP , I must admit a wry smile crossed my face when I read the part quoted above. I had only met my cousin once before and that was when she was 10 years old and a more prissy little girl you could not meet , she constantly told tales and basically seemed to spend her time dropping myself and my siblings in the sh1t with whatever adult was close to hand.
    When 10 years later I was told she was coming for a visit I was utterly indifferent if not a little peeved at knowing I would be expected to take her around and make her feel welcome..... then I met her and what a difference 10 years make - she was just gorgeous !

    I was interested that you and your cousin have discussed the situation and that too is something I experienced , the sex was not the result of some drunken snog or grope where one thing led to another....... rather it was the result of a calm and rational discussion where we both talked about what we wanted and even where I would buy the condoms !

    It was great and we met a number of times over an 8 or 9 month period before my parents started getting ' twitchy ' and we ended it. My advice would be to follow your heart on this but for now keep it private from your families - when you know better your feelings for one another then you may feel a bit more confident in opening up to families.

    A cautionary note : a friend of mine married his second cousin to whom he had always been close and despite a little good-natured slagging we all thought it would last forever. Sadly after just 18 months they separated in the most acrimonious circumstances imaginable with the result that a major split occured across the extended family and previously close cousins now no longer speak to one another - just be aware that these situations have the potential to cause serious trouble.

    Good luck whatever you decide !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 329 ✭✭!!!


    You are both consenting adults. Love whoever you love. :)

    *Many users are mentioning children - and yes I agree that there can be tragic consequences, but OP is not mentioning children and I'm sure they are aware.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    You know, it's funny, I've never been out and out against whatever someone has written on this thread in the last few years. I try to keep as much of an open and understanding mind as I can for both the poster and those who have posted (at times) some fairly vicious responses to what people have said.

    I've been posting on this site from 2004 and this is genuinely the first time I actually have been moved enough to say that I feel what your doing is inherenitly wrong and you should stop it. Now many people will say that this is prejudice but I actually don't care in this instance - I am very much against this practice and feel it shameful and deeply immoral.

    You may not be able to control who you fall in love with but that doesn't mean if I "fell" for my work collegue's wife, my first cousin or my girlfriend's best friend that I should act on these feelings. Sometimes you just have to say no.

    And I'll leave it at that as I don't wish to complain any further. I am sorry but I truly feel compelled to tell you what your doing is wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    Seems like a bit of an over reaction Motley, inherently wrong why? It's one thing to find it a bit weird, or be uncomfortable with it, but how is it inherently wrong??

    OP, there were 2 sets of first cousins within my extended family who are married, and both had healthy children. One couple has split after a number of years together. I too would find it weird if it were someone I had grown up with, but if it's someone you meet as an adult it's a bit different.
    As others have said, you wouldn't want to cause a rift in the family, so tread carefully. Think about how important this person is to you, if you could genuinely see a future before starting anything up. But certainly don't feel bad about being attracted to your cousin!

    Agree with iguana re misinformation, it's rife!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    I would have said yes if I didn`t have friends who were the product of a marriage of 1st cousins. They are lovely but something was always "off", I think some of there hormones/genes/something just isn`t right. I knew instinctively and when I found out it made sense. How did I know? Why was I aware something wasn`t correct? I don`t know but we are animals basically and we know so much more than we consciously know and we can obviously innately sense problems with other peoples make up.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Ellsbells


    Op you were to only want to listen to the people who are pro the relationship and not interested in taking onboard any less that positive comments. What is your relationship history? Have you always gone for the bad boy/ girl or one that people don't approve of?

    I am not sure of your sexes or sexual preferences and you say they are outside your normal gender preference. Would you make be attracted to them because they are gay and you are secretly gay yourself or vice versa?

    You say you could not touch any other cousin but I don't see the difference for you between shagging this person or one of the cousins you grew up with - they are all your flesh and blood. Without trying to be insulting - are there not enough partners out there that you are not related to?

    Chances are the attraction is so strong because its taboo.


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