Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Pompey Magnus · 25-06-2012 10:07PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I'm confused...how come Celtic haven't come out and said whether they'd vote Yes or No to the NewCo coming into the SPL?

Not sure, it doesn't appear great though...it looks like they are getting other clubs to do the dirty work for them.

Pompey Magnus · 25-06-2012 10:10PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Just seen on facebook, I found it amusing anyway. Ha

allan mcgonner
tata papac
free wallace
dorin gone
adios bocanegra
steven whitcontract
release mccabe
gone aluko
leave davis
steven naicontract
solong kerkhar

How about Maurice Adieu?

lubo_moravcik · 25-06-2012 10:14PM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Not sure, it doesn't appear great though...it looks like they are getting other clubs to do the dirty work for them.

How the hell do you work that out? Seriously, that's a crazy statement right there.
This isn't about Celtic, this is about Newco. If Celtic come out and say yes or no or whatever, then knowing the way the press go in Scotland then it will become all about Celtic. This is the mess of the Newco, leave it with them and never mind Celtic.

Dempsey · 25-06-2012 10:45PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I'm confused...how come Celtic haven't come out and said whether they'd vote Yes or No to the NewCo coming into the SPL?

“We are fully aware of our supporters’ concerns regarding the current situation across Scottish football and the breadth of opinion within our supporter base. The issues are complex and there is much uncertainty.

“Our guiding principle is that we will do what is in the best interests of Celtic Football Club and our supporters, consistent with upholding the interests and reputation of Scottish football. I can also give assurance that we will communicate further and directly with supporters at the appropriate time.”

Celtic said that back in May and have kept quiet ever since. The best thing the club can do is mind their own business for as long as possible. Do you think a yes vote was a possibility for Celtic because they havent said much? SPL clubs wont cross their fans for Sevco, Celtic is no different.

Sevco needs 23 SFL clubs to vote them in!

Dunfermline to be kept in the SPL, the problem is that they have been preparing the whole summer for Div1!

Mr.Nice Guy · 25-06-2012 11:08PM

I've been following this to some extent and sorry if this is a silly question but would it not be in Celtic's interest for Rangers to be in the SPL? I would have thought a big part of the appeal in the SPL would be the Old Firm clashes? Would Celtic not be hit in the pocket by Rangers being demoted?

Dempsey · 25-06-2012 11:14PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I've been following this to some extent and sorry if this is a silly question but would it not be in Celtic's interest for Rangers to be in the SPL? I would have thought a big part of the appeal in the SPL would be the Old Firm clashes? Would Celtic not be hit in the pocket by Rangers being demoted?

Rangers are being liquidated, they wont be playing football ever again

Do you realise the pressure that fans are putting clubs over this issue? You support Sevco and you are guaranteed to be boycotted by your own fans and the fans of every other club. You stand to lose alot more by backing Sevco to get into the SPL or Div1

Jelle1880 · 25-06-2012 11:21PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Rangers are being liquidated, they wont be playing football ever again

Are you still peddling that **** ?
Deluded (your new favourite word if I'm correct) doesn't come into it.

It probably won't even be in the First Division, but there will still be football played at Ibrox, whether you like it or not.

Anyway, seems like Regan's on a holiday.

Must not be all that important then.

Dempsey · 25-06-2012 11:29PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Are you still peddling that **** ?
Deluded (that's your favourite word, isn't it ?) doesn't come into it.

Anyway, seems like Regan's on a holiday.

Must not be all that important then.

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/strawpoll-rangers-fans-newco/2029

“I don’t see how they can consider this application, Newco is a new club and should be treated as such, simply owning Rangers assets for me doesn’t automatically make Newco rangers, would Tesco be trying to persuade us that they are Rangers had they bought the assets with the intention of raising them to the ground before building yet another super market? They would have no more right to do so than I would have the right to call myself Tiger Woods if I bought a second hand set of his golf clubs, similarly I wouldn’t expect to take his place on the US PGA tour just because I’ve taken possession of the clubs.”

The penny will drop with you soon enough.

Sevco dont have any players yet and they arent a member of any Football Association yet you think they are Rangers. :rolleyes:

Jelle1880 · 25-06-2012 11:32PM

Ha, Thomson, that's rich.

Have they found out who has threatened him yet ? :rolleyes:

Dempsey · 25-06-2012 11:34PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ha, Thomson, that's rich.

Have they found out who has threatened him yet ? :rolleyes:

A Rangers fan said that, not Thomson.

Jelle1880 · 25-06-2012 11:36PM

It's an article made up from twitter posts, is this the famous war journalist at work ?

I could make the exact same article stating that the majority of Rangers fans want SPL football, just need to find the right twitter and facebook posts.

Journalism at it's worst.

Dempsey · 25-06-2012 11:43PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It's an article made up from twitter posts, is this the famous war journalist at work ?

I could make the exact same article stating that the majority of Rangers fans want SPL football, just need to find the right twitter and facebook posts.

Journalism at it's worst.

You didnt even read the article yet you are able to critique his work. Epic Fail! :rolleyes:

Jelle1880 · 25-06-2012 11:54PM

I take it you missed this part then.

Yes, some who responded could be fans of other clubs impersonating “Rangers” fans.

No way that whoever wrote what you quoted is a Rangers fan.

And it's hardly an article, it's a blog.
And it consists of twitter posts.

Brilliant journalism work.

Dempsey · 26-06-2012 12:07AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I take it you missed this part then.

No way that whoever wrote what you quoted is a Rangers fan.

And it's hardly an article, it's a blog.
And it consists of twitter posts.

Brilliant journalism work.

Not surprised to see you look for anything in a desperate attempt to save face. Blog/Article, whats the difference? Why are you getting so pedantic? Thats some might fine cheap point scoring in the face of an analogy that sums up Sevco very well.

I suppose this is not a Rangers fan either?

“I have followed Rangers all my life, saw my first game in 1956, never ever did I think I would see such a day. Murray and Whyte have ruined our club. The only way we can look people in the eye is by starting again, build up our reputation and start again. We must not allow the SFA to use us for financial means, it will only rebound on us.”

I suppose anyone who said or hinted that Rangers are finished couldnt possibly be a Rangers supporter? All Rangers/Sevco supporters think like you?

Savage Tyrant · 26-06-2012 12:32AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I've been following this to some extent and sorry if this is a silly question but would it not be in Celtic's interest for Rangers to be in the SPL? I would have thought a big part of the appeal in the SPL would be the Old Firm clashes? Would Celtic not be hit in the pocket by Rangers being demoted?

Rangers aren't being demoted. They are being wound up. In a few weeks they will cease to exist at all.
Sevco 5088, a brand new company set up in England have purchased their assets with the apparent plan to set up a replica of rangers. But as yet they have no SPL membership, no SFL membership, no "rangers" type name and no playing staff.

Helix · 26-06-2012 04:08AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Are you still peddling that **** ?
Deluded (your new favourite word if I'm correct) doesn't come into it.

It probably won't even be in the First Division, but there will still be football played at Ibrox, whether you like it or not.

just because football is played at ibrox doesn't mean that it's rangers though. for all intents and purposes they'll be acting as the same club, but they won't be. ibrox has been bought as part of the newco taking rangers' assets, has it not? west ham playing in the olympic stadium won't be the great british olympics team, for example

i get where you're coming from here, but like it or not, the new team isn't rangers. it's rangers v2.0, a brand new club that has taken over from rangers. it'll be a different parent company, different employees, different playing staff, different club name etc. it'll always be bonded to rangers fc, but it'll never be the same club when you get down to it

Kirby · 26-06-2012 04:58AM

To be frank it's basically the same club. This isn't an AFC Wimbledon job. They will play in the same stadium, populated by the same fans, wearing the same kit with mostly the same players. Some will leave on free transfers as is their right....but many will stay. While legally and technically it's a new club, the fans of Rangers and other clubs will still consider it the same and will view past glories and histories as part of the club. We will still see the same vitriolic rivalry between the fans on derby day and the same buildup when they play Celtic.

Lets not get carried away. Rangers wont just disappear. The only question is what division they end up in and what punishment will be handed out.

lubo_moravcik · 26-06-2012 06:29AM

Kirby wrote: »

To be frank it's basically the same club. This isn't an AFC Wimbledon job. They will play in the same stadium, populated by the same fans, wearing the same kit with mostly the same players. Some will leave on free transfers as is their right....but many will stay. While legally and technically it's a new club, the fans of Rangers and other clubs will still consider it the same and will view past glories and histories as part of the club. We will still see the same vitriolic rivalry between the fans on derby day and the same buildup when they play Celtic.

Lets not get carried away. Rangers wont just disappear. The only question is what division they end up in and what punishment will be handed out.

Rangers as they were are dead. They are no more. A Newco might do all of the above, but there is more chance of the steak I had for dinner last night springing to life than Rangers FC 1872-2012.

billybudd · 26-06-2012 07:05AM

Below might clear up the misunderstanding that seems to be some peoples opinion on Rangers and Newco.

:pac:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rangers_Football_Club_Ltd

Here is the clue.

One was founded in 1872 and the other was found in 2012.

kryogen · 26-06-2012 08:14AM

So what division will they be playing in then? Will they be forced to go to division 3 or will it be the relatively easy task of playing division 1 for a year before going back to the SPL?

PauloMN · 26-06-2012 08:34AM

kryogen wrote: »

So what division will they be playing in then? Will they be forced to go to division 3 or will it be the relatively easy task of playing division 1 for a year before going back to the SPL?

To be decided. Talk of Div 1 which is a disgrace. Div 3 is where any new club should apply.

The fact that the football authorities in Scotland are a complete joke means they could be playing in Div 1.

PauloMN · 26-06-2012 08:53AM

And here we go, Dunfermline looking to take the place of Rangers in the SPL:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18589163

This should get interesting. They'll have a fight on their hands from Dundee of course.

The SPL/SFA have plenty on their hands to deal with without trying to completely restructure a league before the new season starts ffs!! Added to that are European qualifiers starting next month - clubs need to know where they stand.

PauloMN · 26-06-2012 08:53AM

Double post.

Savage Tyrant · 26-06-2012 10:17AM

A bit of visual perspective.

Dempsey · 26-06-2012 10:17AM

there is no rule or precedent to allow dundee to take the club 12 spot. it either dunfermline takes it or the spl continues with 11 clubs. the rules are badly written for this scenario. no surprises there!

also, rangers arent dead yet. theyll still be administration when the season starts. hmrc are building a case against murray and whyte for the tax liability

Savage Tyrant · 26-06-2012 10:42AM

Lee Wallace is the first to announce (to my knowledge) that he intends to turn out for training this week as per STV website.
Is it ironic that he's never fully been paid for since his move from Hearts?

Follow, Follow, he will follow Sevco.

cruiserweight · 26-06-2012 11:06AM

Raith Rovers have come out and said no to newco in Division 1 according to Chris McLaughlin

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCchrismclaug

Dempsey · 26-06-2012 11:11AM

LOL, has Charles Green lodged an SFL application yet? Look like the whole of Scottish Football will have to point out the obvious before he'll do the right thing.

kryogen · 26-06-2012 11:11AM

Cant see any of the SPL clubs coming out and voting yes now considering the fate has been sealed already, makes no sense, may aswell all just vote no now rather then risk alienating your club from the others or your own fans by voting yes when they cant win the vote anyway.

Dempsey · 26-06-2012 11:58AM

Falkirk say No to Rangers being put into Div1. Did people actually think turkeys would vote for christmas?

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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