Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

dsmythy

Only time will tell about the loss of Rangers. Speculating is pointless with regards Scottish football's future standing in Europe. Ther first clear signs to look for if you're looking for a negative conclusion will be this time next year. How far will Celtic have progressed in Europe and how will their players react after a year dominating the league should Celtic fail to enter a group stage of some kind.

UglyBolloxFace

kryogen wrote: »

So what division will they be playing in then? Will they be forced to go to division 3 or will it be the relatively easy task of playing division 1 for a year before going back to the SPL?

Here's another thing which confuses me. What right does this new club, Sevco Ltd, have to attempt to join Division 3?

If I started a club in Scotland out of nowhere I certainly wouldn't be allowed to join Div 3, nor would I attempt to.

The Rangers FC Ltd should do what any newly-founded club would do - start from the very bottom like everyone else. If that's Scottish Sunday League football (or lower) then so be it.

Dempsey

dsmythy wrote: »

Only time will tell about the loss of Rangers. Speculating is pointless with regards Scottish football's future standing in Europe. Ther first clear signs to look for if you're looking for a negative conclusion will be this time next year. How far will Celtic have progressed in Europe and how will their players react after a year dominating the league should Celtic fail to enter a group stage of some kind.

Even then it could be too early to judge as the SFA, SPL & SFL are finally getting around to major changes that were on the cards for almost 20 years :eek:

Zebra3

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Here's another thing which confuses me. What right does this new club, Sevco Ltd, have to attempt to join Division 3?

If I started a club in Scotland out of nowhere I certainly wouldn't be allowed to join Div 3, nor would I attempt to.

The Rangers FC Ltd should do what any newly-founded club would do - start from the very bottom like everyone else. If that's Scottish Sunday League football (or lower) then so be it.

I don't think there's any promotion into the SFL, is there? If that's the case, the new club has the right to apply for SFL membership as much as anyone else (so long they have everything in place), and if accepted should start in the lowest tier of the SFL.

Dempsey

Zebra3 wrote: »

I don't think there's any promotion into the SFL, is there? If that's the case, the new club has the right to apply for SFL membership as much as anyone else (so long they have everything in place), and if accepted should start in the lowest tier of the SFL.

Ya, there is no pyramid structure in Scottish Football which is one of the things they finally want to change

Coillte_Bhoy

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Here's another thing which confuses me. What right does this new club, Sevco Ltd, have to attempt to join Division 3?

If I started a club in Scotland out of nowhere I certainly wouldn't be allowed to join Div 3, nor would I attempt to.

The Rangers FC Ltd should do what any newly-founded club would do - start from the very bottom like everyone else. If that's Scottish Sunday League football (or lower) then so be it.

There is no pyramod structure in scottish fotball as there is in England so nothing to stop them applying.

UglyBolloxFace

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ha, Aberdeen, the club whose fans live for 1 game, and 1 game only.

I would not count them among the clubs that could now fight for second place, considering their performances over the last seasons.

Look a little closer to home eh, before you mouth off about other clubs.

Remember this - years and years of cheating, and now the club has got its just desserts.

Eirebear

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Look a little closer to home eh, before you mouth off about other clubs.

Remember this - years and years of cheating, and now the club has got its just desserts.

Ahhh there we go, the "You're club has done wrong, therefore you have no opinion as a fan" bull****.

Dempsey

Eirebear wrote: »

Ahhh there we go, the "You're club has done wrong, therefore you have no opinion as a fan" bull****.

At least Aberdeen live within their means for that "1 game"

Fairly laughable to be criticising a club for underachieving when the club you support is being liquidated and the one you want to support isnt even a football club yet. :rolleyes:

the realpigiron

Just wondering are The New Rangers or Club 12 or whatever they're called considering applying to join Div 2 or the Conference in England at all? If they were to start in the Conference for example and got promoted every season it would only take them only 2 years longer to get to the EPL as to get to the SPL.

Maybe they'd have to start at the very bottom like AFC Wimbledon, I think there are 7 tiers between the very bottom and Div 2 league football in England. AFC Wimbledon did it in 13 years I think.

Eirebear

the realpigiron wrote: »

Just wondering are The New Rangers or Club 12 or whatever they're called considering applying to join Div 2 or the Conference in England at all? If they were to start in the Conference for example and got promoted every season it would only take them only 2 years longer to get to the EPL as to get to the SPL. Maybe they'd have to start at the very bottom like AFC Wimbledon, I think there are 7 tiers between the very bottom and Div 2 league football in England. AFC Wimbledon did it in 13 years i think.

They'd need to relocate to England.
Doubt it will ever happen.

Eirebear

Dempsey wrote: »

At least Aberdeen live within their means for that "1 game"

Fairly laughable to be criticising a club for underachieving when the club you support is being liquidated and the one you want to support isnt even a football club yet. :rolleyes:

I didn't criticise anyone - however your point is entirely moot.

The "You have no right" speech is complete and utter bollox.

citytillidie

the realpigiron wrote: »

Just wondering are The New Rangers or Club 12 or whatever they're called considering applying to join Div 2 or the Conference in England at all? If they were to start in the Conference for example and got promoted every season it would only take them only 2 years longer to get to the EPL as to get to the SPL.

Maybe they'd have to start at the very bottom like AFC Wimbledon, I think there are 7 tiers between the very bottom and Div 2 league football in England. AFC Wimbledon did it in 13 years I think.

As said they would have to move to England, only reason Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham are in the English league system is because way back when there was no Welsh league, and when it did start they had a choice join that system or stay in English system and no longer play in the Welsh FA Cup

A Dub in Glasgo

Some Mistakes in the Mainstream Media regarding RFC/sevco/newco/club 12/ zombies

Charles Green does not own Rangers Football Club. Rangers Football Club are still in administration and still being run by Duff and Phelps until such time as the court appointed liquidators step in to finally close them down. Rangers Football Club is dead. It still has its history but that history now has a line under it, it cannot be added to.
Charles Green is the CEO of either Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland. He wont say which. One or possibly both of these companies have purchased the assets of Rangers Football Club. These assets consist of Ibrox stadium, Murray Park and the Albion car park.
Sevco is not Rangers Football Club, has never been and can never be Rangers Football Club, it also cannot be The Rangers Football Club for the time being anyway.
Sevco is not a football team. It is not registered with any Football Association nor does it have a league to play in. It does not hold the registration papers for any football players, neither can it hold the registration of any professional football player until it is a registered football team.
Sevco has no automatic right to enter the professional game in Scotland. It is a newco, a new company and a new club. It has no history. It has no place in any league, therefore it cannot be 'relegated', it cannot be 'demoted' it can only be admitted.
If Sevco is to be admitted to the professional game in Scotland then it must first apply to join the Scottish FA to become a member. It must then apply to enter the third division, the bottom tier of Scottish Football.
This application process will be open to any club that wishes to participate, It is likely that there will be strong applications from Spartans FC, Cove Rangers FC and possibly some others. These clubs have been through this process before, they are aware of the necessary criteria for applying and they will meet this criteria by providing amongst other things three years accounts.
Sevco cannot produce three years accounts therefore it fails to meet the necessary criteria for admittance to the SFL third Division. Any move to circumvent the already established process and criteria for entry into the professional game in Scotland in order to favour one hopeful club over another, will result in a legal challenge by the disaffected clubs, which will suspend the beginning of the Scottish season.
Sevco are not banned from Europe for three years they are not permitted to play in European competitions because they are a new club and cannot provide three years audited accounts, unlike the SFA, UEFA will not bend nor ignore their rules just because it is Rangers. Another point to be noted, it will actually be four seasons before sevco can play in Europe because they have now missed the cut off point for submitting this years accounts.
Because they are not banned from Europe the only punishment Rangers Football Club has so far received for their years of corrupting the Scottish game to their own advancement and financial gain has been to be deducted ten points, an automatic penalty for entering administration. They have also been fined a paltry £160,000, It is unclear if this fine remains with Rangers Football Club or is to be transferred to Sevco. So when you hear it said Rangers have been punished enough ask in what way have they been punished. They have not been banned from Europe, they have not been demoted, they have suffered no financial penalty of note. Everything that has happened to Rangers Football club has been their own doing, their own choice rather than pay off the debts that they accrued whilst attempting to be the most successful team in Scotland they chose administration, they chose liquidation, they chose to form a Newco.
I could go on. Maybe tomorrow. Lol.

http://www.randalstowncsc.ie/entry.php?419-Some-Mistakes-in-the-Mainstream-Media-regarding-RFC-sevco-newco-club-12-zombies

blahfckingblah

nice to see in rangers fans time of peril theres always a few celtic fans out in solidarity with them... or taking the absolute piss https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dxl72yWtUrw

Soups123

McGregor & Davis out now too by the looks of it

Coillte_Bhoy

Few on follow follow rganised memt up outside ibrox this evening. 10 turned up ffs

A taste of the reaction on ff

Originally Posted by blair_omnibus
As per the previously chopped thread.

We're going for 7pm.

Admin would be best served telling us why these are being chopped.

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Originally Posted by GodStruth
I cant make it, but doesnt matter if there is only 100 there tonight, we need to start putting pressure on Green in a visible way

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Originally Posted by macca_menefrego
Fell out with the burd and she has the wheels,anybody heading down on the 34?

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Originally Posted by Sandyhills Blue
I'll be there. Get the message out on Facebook and Twitter too.

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Originally Posted by Hammerinho
Working until 10pm

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Originally Posted by ianb11
Wish I could be there.

Well done to those who attend.

WATP.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac
Good luck lads I'm stuck in London but there in spirit.

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Originally Posted by BlueKidG
Wish I could make it through back I cant tonight, Any other time/date and Im there.

Good luck bears, be strong, be loud.

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Originally Posted by Typhoon
Godspeed fellow Bears. 3000 miles away but will be with you all in spirit.

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Originally Posted by Hal B. Goode
There with ye in spirit.

Make yourselves heard.

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Originally Posted by muzzabell
right im leaving. been here for ten mins. nobody here and its chucking it down.

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Originally Posted by Tim Hunter
I'll be there at 7:10, but you can start without me.

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Originally Posted by 1872
If this is definitely happening, I'll drive into Glasgow now.

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Originally Posted by dallen57
all the best from Campbeltown Loyal

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Originally Posted by sirdrinksalot
Why are threads being chopped, why does Suck have no interest in protesting against Green?

This whole fiasco is making my blood boil, im sick to the pit of my stomach and i feel (most) of the people representing the fans are failing us bigtime.

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Originally Posted by BeerBear
Brilliant.
Cant be there as im stuck down south but Good luck all. Some action at last. Long may it continue until the club is in safe hands.

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Originally Posted by kennyg_kirkieloyal
I'm outside the Main Stand where is everyone

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Originally Posted by BillyP101
How many are there mate?

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Originally Posted by smithie
I wish with all my heart I could be there If I still lived up the road I'd be there every bloody night if that's what it took!

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Originally Posted by kennyg_kirkieloyal
There's a few cars parked opposite side of front door I'm sitting in my car outside

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Originally Posted by Scotty2Dope
Just drove past the main stand, few cars parked across the street that's it.

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Originally Posted by smithie
would it not be better for everyone to get OUT their cars??

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Originally Posted by mrsbluebird
Get a grip? It's 6.55 pm FFS and there's 1 person there as far as we know.

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Originally Posted by Ibrox1984
Theres 1 person there? Really?

Soups123

Hilarious 'wud it not be better if everyone got out of there cars', 'theres only one person here'..... Ha ha

Jelle1880

There was nothing organised.

People have been saying 'We need to get to Ibrox' for weeks now on that board, doesn't mean something was planned.

And if you have Dingwall chopping all threads asking for action...

Dempsey

Eirebear wrote: »

I didn't criticise anyone - however your point is entirely moot.

The "You have no right" speech is complete and utter bollox.

I was referring to Jelle and his comment

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

There was nothing organised.

People have been saying 'We need to get to Ibrox' for weeks now on that board, doesn't mean something was planned.

And if you have Dingwall chopping all threads asking for action...

I honestly just dont get this, why ahs there been no mbilisatin of the support apart from that march some weeks ago? Whats the story with the fan groups etc?

Coillte_Bhoy

Soups123 wrote: »

Hilarious 'wud it not be better if everyone got out of there cars', 'theres only one person here'..... Ha ha

Saw another comment from one lad who said he just in from work and the wife had the diiner on the table so he couldnt make it:)

Eirebear

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

There was nothing organised.

People have been saying 'We need to get to Ibrox' for weeks now on that board, doesn't mean something was planned.

And if you have Dingwall chopping all threads asking for action...

I honestly just dont get this, why ahs there been no mbilisatin of the support apart from that march some weeks ago? Whats the story with the fan groups etc?

The Rst and dingwall are a useless bunch of self serving ****s, the a in rsa stands for anonymous and your average rangers fan has been ****ed over by those two organisations almost as much as Murray and whyte.

Soups123

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

Hilarious 'wud it not be better if everyone got out of there cars', 'theres only one person here'..... Ha ha

Saw another comment from one lad who said he just in from work and the wife had the diiner on the table so he couldnt make it:)

I doubt The lad who had a fight with his Missus and she had the wheels had his dinner on the table. Some Newco 2 players and 1 fan

Jelle1880

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I honestly just dont get this, why ahs there been no mbilisatin of the support apart from that march some weeks ago? Whats the story with the fan groups etc?

The 'fan' groups like the RST, RSA and now the RFFF have been found wanting big time.

The RFFF had a talk with Green last week, but have said hardly anything about it.

Dempsey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18599387

Former First Minister Henry McLeish believes the Rangers crisis will force the reconstruction of Scottish football, just as he recommended.

It was the only thing that was going to force the issue with clubs tbh, everything was at a stalemate before Rangers entered administration.

Clubs had become absolutely dependant on playing Celtic and Rangers twice and the TV deal and fans everywhere were/are pissed off with the whole situation.

PauloMN

Must say I genuinely feel for the decent Rangers lads on here today. Whatever about recent happenings, to see the spine of the team leave between yesterday and today must be awful. It's ****ty to be honest, and horrible for the fans. End of an era.

Eirebear

PauloMN wrote: »

Must say I genuinely feel for the decent Rangers lads on here today. Whatever about recent happenings, to see the spine of the team leave between yesterday and today must be awful. It's ****ty to be honest, and horrible for the fans. End of an era.

TBH I'd kind of came to terms with losing all those players months ago - although i have to say i'm less than impressed with the likes of Ness and McCabe.

The whole thing though is honestly heartbreaking, i go through phases of finding other things to do in order to ignore it - then catching up with it i have days like today where it hurts a lot.

I know it's only football - but it really does feel like a death in the family at times.

Savage Tyrant

PauloMN wrote: »

Must say I genuinely feel for the decent Rangers lads on here today. Whatever about recent happenings, to see the spine of the team leave between yesterday and today must be awful. It's ****ty to be honest, and horrible for the fans. End of an era.

I must admit, seeing the hurt over on Follow Follow by a load of faceless names that use the terms like "taig" "peadodome" "BJK" ... I take great delight in their pain and suffering now their club is crumbling.
But the guys in here like Eirebear, BBE, Builder and some of the rest, lads we have an insight into their actual personalities and have a bit of banter and rapport with, I take no pleasure in seeing them hurt, in fact I feel a genuine sympathy for them. It must be devastating. I'd be virtually inconsolable if this was happening to Celtic.

jack presley

Just wondering would Celtic have their eye on any of Rangers players that become free agents or would that just be taking the piss?