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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    I never knew that the Jewish god had such a strict dress code to the extent of getting the police to arrest people. It shows how thin the Israeli claims to being a modern democracy are - more a mirror image of their Muslim neighbours.

    What is the correct way to wear a shawl so as not to insult the Jewish god? Was it the off-the-shoulder style that offended him/it or the fact that a woman was wearing the thing?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Banbh wrote: »
    What is the correct way to wear a shawl so as not to insult the Jewish god?
    Going out on a limb here, but I'll wager 50p that fundamentalist rabbis claim that the jewish deity wants women to wear the prayer shawl in a fairly similar way to the way that fundamentalist mullahs claims that the islamic deity wants women to wear the hijab or, god forbid, perhaps even the burka.

    And they demand this for exactly the same reason - control of women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    I had to look it up and all I can say is 'for jayziz sake lads!'

    Women are forbidden to blow rams' horns or to wear prayer shawls at all at all at the Wailing Wall under pain of seven years imprisonment.
    They are also not allowed wear 'phylacteries' which sounds like something the Catholic Church should look into.

    Here's the link: http://womenofthewall.org.il/about/legal-status/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Banbh wrote: »
    Women are forbidden to blow rams' horns [...]
    Not a problem, I'd have thought given what men do with them.

    Anyhow, any opportunity to show my all-time favourite religious video -- the rabbinical response to Swine Flu (subsequently Mexican Flu to avoid offending the swine-sensitive):



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Heh, those crazy Jews.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    As crazy as all the others.

    I was on that Ryanair flight and when I complained they said that if I wanted a non-ram's-horn-blowing seat I should have paid the extra when booking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭shizz


    If you seen someone sitting down rocking back and forward spouting out stuff like that you's consider getting them help. But put a Kippah (or any other religious dress) on them and it's grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    robindch wrote: »
    Not a problem, I'd have thought given what men do with them.

    Anyhow, any opportunity to show my all-time favourite religious video -- the rabbinical response to Swine Flu (subsequently Mexican Flu to avoid offending the swine-sensitive):


    Never seen this before, I have tears. Watched it 4 times and I'll certainly watch it some more when I finish typing.

    Press '4' and '6' while the video is playing. Any order will suffice.

    If laughter be the best medicine, these Rabbi's are my doctors. :):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    One guy is shouting down the phone. Maybe god is hard of hearing or can't use these new-fangled devil's inventions. I presume it's god on the line and not the steward hiding in the toilet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    robindch wrote: »
    Not a problem, I'd have thought given what men do with them.

    Anyhow, any opportunity to show my all-time favourite religious video -- the rabbinical response to Swine Flu (subsequently Mexican Flu to avoid offending the swine-sensitive):


    :confused:

    I, just... what?

    I literally have no idea what this video is about. It just seems like a complete non-sequitur.

    You may as well have posted this:
    wellington_boot.summ.jpg



    for all the sense it makes to me.

    Someone help a brother out?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    That is just crying out for a subtitles competition.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Gbear wrote: »
    Someone help a brother out?
    OK. Here's the story.

    In 2009, a range of related, virulent and occasionally fatal, forms of influenza showed up amongst pigs in Mexico. The virus was transmitted to humans and, for various disputed reasons, the WHO was sufficiently concerned that it declared a worldwide pandemic.

    In time, the virus reached Israel and the jewish religious community there was so concerned at the looming threat -- from a pig no less -- that it felt there was no option but to act. Firstly, the disease was renamed from "swine flu" to "Mexican flu". Then, sensing that more action was needed, a group of rabbis chartered a plane, rounded up perhaps fifty of their number with their sheeps horns and other second-hand animal parts, then took off and flew around in in Israeli airspace hour or two, all the time rocking back and forth violently, blowing wind through their animal bits, wailing, whining, talking to themselves and generally making a hell of a racket. The thoughts of the pilots was not recorded. The video above is, I believe, the only recording of the event that made it into the public domain.

    The rabbinical approach was ultimately successful and swine, sorry, Mexican flu never took root in Israel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭shizz


    robindch wrote: »
    OK. Here's the story.

    In 2009, a range of related, virulent and occasionally fatal, forms of influenza showed up amongst pigs in Mexico. The virus was transmitted to humans and, for various disputed reasons, the WHO was sufficiently concerned that it declared a worldwide pandemic.

    In time, the virus reached Israel and the jewish religious community there was so concerned at the looming threat -- from a pig no less -- that it felt there was no option but to act. Firstly, the disease was renamed from "swine flu" to "Mexican flu". Then, sensing that more action was needed, a group of rabbis chartered a plane, rounded up perhaps fifty of their number with their sheeps horns and other second-hand animal parts, then took off and flew around in in Israeli airspace hour or two, all the time rocking back and forth violently, blowing wind through their animal bits, wailing, whining, talking to themselves and generally making a hell of a racket. The thoughts of the pilots was not recorded. The video above is, I believe, the only recording of the event that made it into the public domain.

    The rabbinical approach was ultimately successful and swine, sorry, Mexican flu never took root in Israel.

    I...I..I really dunno whether to wish it did or not after that... :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A lobby group against gay marriage, formed by MPs and bishops, is embroiled in a row after one of its leaflets claimed that reforming the law would open the door to incest, polygamy and a new wave of illegal immigration.
    The eight-page document, produced by the Keep Marriage Special campaign, whose supporters include the former bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir Ali, warns of the "consequential impact" of the reform.
    The glossy leaflet, which has a picture of a mixed-race couple in an embrace on the cover, claims: "If the only basis for marriage is the desire of the parties to get married then there is, according to the logic of this proposal, no reason not to open up marriage to more than just same-sex couples. Polygamy, polyandry and incest would all be permissible."
    (my bold)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/23/gay-marriages-open-door-polygamy



    Ye can tell they killed themselves thinking that one through...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Well, the laws against siblings marrying is, IIRC, to avoid genetic problem with the children, so that would be an example of something that would injure a third party.

    The problem with bigamy, again IIRC, is that it causes problems if a member of the marriage dies intestate, in which case there are so many factions that sorting out the inheritance is a legal nightmare. It probably also has roots in religious anti-fornication teaching. There is nothing stopping a person from living a polygamous or polyandrus (sps?) lifestyle.

    And how isn't the only basis for marriage, these days, the desire to get married? Some tax reasons, maybe, but people can live as a married couple, have children, go on 'family' holidays, the whole shebang, and have no formal commitment to each other at all.

    Ah well, just be thankful that they didn't bring up marrying their dogs this time...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Via The Freethinker
    IT sounds like a plot dreamed up by the creators of Southpark, but it's all true: schoolchildren in Louisiana are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real in a bid by religious educators to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution.

    Thousands of children in the southern state will receive publicly-funded vouchers for the next school year to attend private schools where Scotland's most famous mythological beast will be taught as a real living creature.
    These private schools follow a fundamentalist curriculum including the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme to teach controversial religious beliefs aimed at disproving evolution and proving creationism.
    One tenet has it that if it can be proved that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man then Darwinism is fatally flawed.
    Critics have damned the content of the course books, calling them "bizarre" and accusing them of promoting radical religious and political ideologies.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/how-american-fundamentalist-schools-are-using-nessie-to-disprove-evolution.17918511
    (my bold)

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/06/24/loch-ness-monster-proves-darwin-wrong/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    There's a great business opportunity here. We should be selling stuff to these people - leprecaun holistic cures, banshee hair combs...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Let me say (in Louisiana's defense) that they are all not like that, even though the most scariest parts of the planet that I've ever seen have been rural places in Louisiana with their 6 "places of worship" per person.

    You got to check out New Orleans though: it's one hell-of-a-city.
    "Hell" = good (as in debauchery good).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Nodin wrote: »

    If the Loch Ness monster were proven to be real it would not show that dinosaurs walked the Earth alongside humans because:
    1) Nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur, not a dinosaur.
    2) Plesiosaurs could not walk as they had no feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭shizz


    Galvasean wrote: »
    If the Loch Ness monster were proven to be real it would not show that dinosaurs walked the Earth alongside humans because:
    1) Nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur, not a dinosaur.
    2) Plesiosaurs could not walk as they had no feet.

    220px-Plesiosaur_on_land.jpg

    EH!!! PROOF THEY DID!!!

    CREATIONISTS 1 EVOLUTIONISTS 0


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    shizz wrote: »
    220px-Plesiosaur_on_land.jpg

    EH!!! PROOF THEY DID!!!

    CREATIONISTS 1 EVOLUTIONISTS 0

    That critter walks about as well as Stephen Hawking...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    shizz wrote: »
    220px-Plesiosaur_on_land.jpg

    EH!!! PROOF THEY DID!!!

    CREATIONISTS 1 EVOLUTIONISTS 0

    Very grainy photo - what kind of film stock did those early men use? Is it hand tinted?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭shizz


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Very grainy photo - what kind of film stock did those early men use? Is it hand tinted?

    IT WAS PROVIDED BY GOD! FOUND IN THE APPENDICES OF THE BIBLE!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    shizz wrote: »
    IT WAS PROVIDED BY GOD! FOUND IN THE APPENDICES OF THE BIBLE!

    Ah yes - I forgot about the Dead Sea Multi-media texts and email attachments found by a goat herder in 1789.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Galvasean wrote: »
    If the Loch Ness monster were proven to be real it would not show that dinosaurs walked the Earth alongside humans because:
    1) Nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur, not a dinosaur.
    2) Plesiosaurs could not walk as they had no feet.


    It has "saur" in its name and feety flippers like cousin Merl. Thats good 'nuff fer me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    So, basically, in New York, the word "dinosaur" will be banned in schools due to it being "offensive" to creationists, yet in Louisiana the Loch Ness monster is real? There's even creationist museums there for crying out loud, using the appeal of dinosaurs to draw in the masses, children especially. >.<

    I wonder what the Muslim say about dinosaurs and all that? Anyone knows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    The Islamic position on evolution is interesting. If you do a search you will find a thousand contradictory views, obfuscation, lies, nonsense and downright silliness. So, it is basically the same story as Christianity which can best be summarised as 'believe what we tell you or we'll kill you" which is a damn convincing scientific argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    There's even creationist museums there for crying out loud, using the appeal of dinosaurs to draw in the masses, children especially. >.<

    DragonLie.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    My eyebrows couldn't have been any higher watching this display of ignorance.

    Sherri Shepherd: "Is the world flat?" "I don't know". :confused:

    They sound like a gaggle of geese, no offence to geese. Press '4' to avoid the rest of the rubbish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    I don't think that woman actually believed that the Earth is flat it's just that she thought the question had no relevance for her. Willfully ignorant!

    The USA is beginning to pay the price for allowing superstition and fundamentalist religion replace the scientific method in the schools.

    And remember they have the world's greatest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.


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