The Germans

TeddyTedson · 12-06-2012 7:08pm

Bad Panda wrote: »

Love 'em.

If only Hitler was alive in Ireland today. I think I'd take to the streets to enjoy seeing skangers being rounded up...assuming that's who he'd target, in my mind though, he is.

But he wasn't German

Fuinseog · 12-06-2012 7:12pm

prinz wrote: »

Or it could be they just don't feel the need to effectively 'buy' respect and friendship, or the need to prove themselves to others by spending.

IN Germany its the thought that counts . WE go overboard here. holy Communion money- I was looked upon as tight when I gave a seven year old 40 Euro. it was a 100 euro minimum in the door.

Fuinseog · 12-06-2012 7:17pm

Shenshen wrote: »

Well, to give a bit of balance, 5 Euros would buy you a very decent bottle of wine in Germany. Or about 2 kilos of chocolates.
Germans do tend to be shocked at prices when they come over here, most things are about double the price.

And when you pay half your income in taxes, you like to think you've given plenty to charity already

most of my German mates would be happy if I gave them a bottle of beer as a present. with Irish people I feel as if I have to spend a massive amount.

12-06-2012 7:19pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

IN Germany its the thought that counts . WE go overboard here. holy Communion money- I was looked upon as tight when I gave a seven year old 40 Euro. it was a 100 euro minimum in the door.

what
give her a kids bible and let them fcuk off

Fuinseog · 12-06-2012 7:29pm

bluewolf wrote: »

what
give her a kids bible and let them fcuk off

or rosary beads. it would have pissed off the father no end. He is an atheist who attends church. I agree with a poster here who said that we try to buy love, buy a kid an x box to shut him up. otherwise you might have to talk to him.

I sometimes receive homemade gifts from Germans. here that would be considered scab.

Toby Take a Bow · 12-06-2012 7:33pm

Father Damo wrote: »

I am shocked he took part in the kris kindle. We had one in work years ago and the Germans (the ones willing to take part) demanded we make it a 5 euro limit. 5 euro, I dont know why we bothered having one FFS, might as well not bother.

You shouldn't be that shocked. The people in the other kris kindle were more than likely different from the ones in yours.

Father Damo wrote: »

I am shocked they paid into the club!

You seem to get shocked quite a lot. I'm fairly sure that when I was last in Germany they had clubs operating which required you to pay in. So, I'd say in general, most Germans will pay in to a club.

Father Damo · 13-06-2012 12:10am

prinz wrote: »

Or it could be they just don't feel the need to effectively 'buy' respect and friendship, or the need to prove themselves to others by spending.

And that has what to do with refusing to chip in a euro or two to a charity collection?
I remember meeting one German girl in Australia, she asked me if the local (free) internet cafe was open. I told her no, but that the one down the road was only a dollar for a half hour, if she wanted to use that instead.

She responded that she wouldnt- she hadnt paid for internet in 6 months and would rather wait until the morning and the free place re opened. Even in the pay net cafes you get two or three of them sitting around the same computer, having went halves on the dollar cost. It is just a bit too much for me. What is the point in coming to visit a foreign country and living a lower standard of living than most people on the dole?

cloud493 · 13-06-2012 12:18am

We had 10 German exchange students at our school once, with 3 of their teachers. Biggest load of ***** I ever met. The whole lot of them can **** off.

prinz · 13-06-2012 2:14am

Fuinseog wrote: »

I sometimes receive homemade gifts from Germans. here that would be considered scab.

+1. One of the things I love about the Germans tbh is the general 'down-to-earthedness'. I've gotten the homemade and non-bought gifts too and tbh it means more to me than getting a predictable bought present.. I always think twice about mixing Irish friends with German just two different cultures and attitudes I suppose.

Father Damo wrote: »

And that has what to do with refusing to chip in a euro or two to a charity collection?

Perhaps they have doubts about where the money is going. Perhaps they're not used to charity whip-rounds like tends to happen in Ireland. Just reflecting on it now... I don't recall any of the more public charity collections in Germany, for example I've never seen chuggers, bag-packers in the supermarkets, that kind of thing. I don't know if they do the same with charity collections etc in the workplace. Maybe they prefer to contribute to charity on their own terms in more privacy. I don't like the work collections either, especially when it comes to sponsorship cards and the like. Again ineviatbly there starts some oneupmanship.

Father Damo wrote: »

It is just a bit too much for me. What is the point in coming to visit a foreign country and living a lower standard of living than most people on the dole?

What's a lower standard of living? Not wanting to spend more than €5 on presents for people who you probably don't even like? Waiting for the morning to use a certain internet cafe?

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 7:19am

Father Damo wrote: »

And that has what to do with refusing to chip in a euro or two to a charity collection?
I remember meeting one German girl in Australia, she asked me if the local (free) internet cafe was open. I told her no, but that the one down the road was only a dollar for a half hour, if she wanted to use that instead.

She responded that she wouldnt- she hadnt paid for internet in 6 months and would rather wait until the morning and the free place re opened. Even in the pay net cafes you get two or three of them sitting around the same computer, having went halves on the dollar cost. It is just a bit too much for me. What is the point in coming to visit a foreign country and living a lower standard of living than most people on the dole?

You could argue that they simply save their money to spend it in things they feel are worth it...
One of the reasons there was no property bubble in Germany when there was one in the rest of the world was down to the fact that Germans will not as a rule buy property on loans. They save up first and then buy a house or apartment,
Same goes for cars.

Germans for example tend to be rather shocked by the sheer amount of change that lies on Irish streets... I have to admit I still am, and I will stoop and pick it up, even though it is just cents. I've had a fair amount of stupid comments about that, but what's the point of letting it lie on the street?

Father Damo · 13-06-2012 7:28am

prinz wrote: »

What's a lower standard of living? Not wanting to spend more than €5 on presents for people who you probably don't even like? Waiting for the morning to use a certain internet cafe?

If you are trying to argue that you think there is nothing remotely odd about refusing to use the internet when one wants to use it because it causes one dollar, or 70 European cents,.....like.....really. As for people you dont like, unless you are some sort of gun toting social outcast with dreams of dying in a SWAT shootout having taken out half your office, it is rather unlikely you are going to dislike every single one of your colleagues. It was nothing to do with likes or dislikes- the point is that for a 5 euro limit the whole exercise is meaningless and should have been cancelled altogether. You cannot buy anything giftwrapped that is of any use to an adult for 5 euro. I got a crappy alarm clock that died after a few weeks- tbh at five quid I would have rathered a fiver note and buy a pint out of it.

The typical German backpacker in Australia survived on about 150 euro a week. about 120 euro on hostel rent, 10 dollars for 4 litres of cheap, horrible, high strength wine to be sipped to mild nightly inebriation over the course of a week, and trips to nightclubs that gave a free beer or two on arrival (some of the girls would hunt out some drunk lad to scab a few beers out of). Food consisting of horrible one dollar noodles and daily eurosaver McDonalds deals.

Most Irish lads would spend a Germans weekly entertainment budget in the space of 2 hours, and have an infinitely better time for it. If you are going to have the same weekly budget for your trip to a rich country as you had for your backpacking through Laos there is really no point in coming that far.

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 7:41am

cloud493 wrote: »

We had 10 German exchange students at our school once, with 3 of their teachers. Biggest load of ***** I ever met. The whole lot of them can **** off.

can you elaborate?

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 7:44am

Father Damo wrote: »

And that has what to do with refusing to chip in a euro or two to a charity collection?
I remember meeting one German girl in Australia, she asked me if the local (free) internet cafe was open. I told her no, but that the one down the road was only a dollar for a half hour, if she wanted to use that instead.

She responded that she wouldnt- she hadnt paid for internet in 6 months and would rather wait until the morning and the free place re opened. Even in the pay net cafes you get two or three of them sitting around the same computer, having went halves on the dollar cost. It is just a bit too much for me. What is the point in coming to visit a foreign country and living a lower standard of living than most people on the dole?

why pay for something if you can get it for free?

you do not have constant charity collections in a German office where you feel compelled to give something. I only ever give to these things for the sake of a quite life and cos I know the guy asking will take umbrage if I d not. you do however make contributions to a social committee.

13-06-2012 8:57am

Fuinseog wrote: »

can you elaborate?

I will do it for him, he's a racist.:pac:

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 9:39am

aaronjumper wrote: »

The only German interaction I have had is a friend I made on Xbox live.

Aside from that I have not met or interacted with any Germans and so don't have a positive or negative thing to say about them.

I had interactions with a quite pretty but very hairy german lady. I found the whole experience quite positive:D

I've been to germany a few times and i think they are generally quite nice, friendly people. Granted they do have a slight tendency to try and take over the world, (attempt no 3 is fully underway at the moment) but sure nobody is perfect.
I'd go back to Germany no problem. Germans have a bad rep for being boring that is a little bit undeserved in my opinion. They also have a rep for being rather unhelpfull, which is wrong, in my opinion. Their rep for being frugal though is absolutely spot on in my experience.

Deus Ex Machina · 13-06-2012 9:45am

I find them a scruffy, violent people. A nation of scruffs. I was hanging out with a few of them in a hotel in Portugal once and when I told them that I had dropped out of college they looked at me quizzically and asked me if that was wise given Ireland's economic situation. A fight almost broke out and the whole situation turned very ugly.

kfallon · 13-06-2012 9:51am

I will be cheering them on tonight

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 9:59am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I had interactions with a quite pretty but very hairy german lady. I found the whole experience quite positive:D

I've been to germany a few times and i think they are generally quite nice, friendly people. Granted they do have a slight tendency to try and take over the world, (attempt no 3 is fully underway at the moment) but sure nobody is perfect.
I'd go back to Germany no problem. Germans have a bad rep for being boring that is a little bit undeserved in my opinion. They also have a rep for being rather unhelpfull, which is wrong, in my opinion. Their rep for being frugal though is absolutely spot on in my experience.

the boring bit could come across when they are speaking English which is a foreign language to them. i am fluent in other languages and cannot crack a joke in them.

how are they unhelpful?
In germany you have to stand on your own two feet.
frugal could be because they live in apartments rather than houses and have limited space.

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 10:01am

RVP 11 wrote: »

I will do it for him, he's a racist.:pac:

calling folks racist is not not helpful.maybe he has a point to make and unless he is trolling he will come forward and make it.

13-06-2012 10:04am

Fuinseog wrote: »

calling folks racist is not not helpful.maybe he has a point to make and unless he is trolling he will come forward and make it.

So that means it's helpful, thanks.

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 10:04am

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

I find them a scruffy, violent people. A nation of scruffs. I was hanging out with a few of them in a hotel in Portugal once and when I told them that I had dropped out of college they looked at me quizzically and asked me if that was wise given Ireland's economic situation. A fight almost broke out and the whole situation turned very ugly.

sure there are German scruffs, just like there are here. Ireland seems to be magnet for German hippies.

violent is something they are not. they will talk and reason with you before they fight.

Fuinseog · 13-06-2012 10:05am

RVP 11 wrote: »

So that means it's helpful, thanks.

maybe I have a stutter

davet82 · 13-06-2012 11:20am

I'm fcuking amazed after 22 pages of posts, there is not one mention of towels and sun loungers...

The Sun must not be as popular here as I thought

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 12:18pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

the boring bit could come across when they are speaking English which is a foreign language to them. i am fluent in other languages and cannot crack a joke in them.

how are they unhelpful?
In germany you have to stand on your own two feet.
frugal could be because they live in apartments rather than houses and have limited space.

No, i said they have a rep for being unhelpful, but that's not how i found them personally.

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 12:21pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

sure there are German scruffs, just like there are here. Ireland seems to be magnet for German hippies.

violent is something they are not. they will talk and reason with you before they fight.

Do you not have the history channel or what?

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 12:23pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Do you not have the history channel or what?

Notice the grammar, the poster was using present tense, not past.

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 12:36pm

Shenshen wrote: »

Notice the grammar, the poster was using present tense, not past.

They've been involved in roughly 25 wars in the past 200 years.
They've tried twice to take over the god damn world. TWICE.
They tried to erase another race of people from existence by industrialising and mechanising the murder of millions.
I'm gonna err on the side of caution when people tell me they've changed.

RaRaRasputin · 13-06-2012 12:39pm

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

I find them a scruffy, violent people. A nation of scruffs. I was hanging out with a few of them in a hotel in Portugal once and when I told them that I had dropped out of college they looked at me quizzically and asked me if that was wise given Ireland's economic situation. A fight almost broke out and the whole situation turned very ugly.

You mean they first questioned your decision and then they started to get aggressive? Are you sure you weren't the one getting angry first and nearly started the fight?

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 12:43pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

They've been involved in roughly 25 wars in the past 200 years.
They've tried twice to take over the god damn world. TWICE.
They tried to erase another race of people from existence by industrialising and mechanising the murder of millions.
I'm gonna err on the side of caution when people tell me they've changed.

By that measure, next to everybody on the plnet is highly violent...

Most countries have been fighting wars, and Germany was involved in a huge number of wars due to nothing else than their location. Whenever France and Russia or France and Austria went to war they did so in Germany, seeing as it's located conveniently for both parties.

They've tried to take obver the world... after the French, the Spanish, the Brits and even the Russian succeeded in conquering so much of the planet that the sun never set on their Empires.

They've treid to erase a race of people using methods pioneered by said empires. Those empires actually succeeded in exterminating whole nations.

I'm not trying to downplay German history, but please put it into context a little bit before proclaiming them the violent scum of the earth, will you?

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 12:46pm

davet82 wrote: »

I'm fcuking amazed after 22 pages of posts, there is not one mention of towels and sun loungers...

The Sun must not be as popular here as I thought

Didn't I mention those famous beach towels somewhere? Can't remember where it was though. Us Germans have a short memory, you know?

Anyway...23 pages now, and I start thinking, that Germany was much more liked and respected a few years ago...before the bailout, so to speak.

13-06-2012 12:46pm

Patrick just put Spongebob in his place.

bbam · 13-06-2012 12:49pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

They've been involved in roughly 25 wars in the past 200 years.
They've tried twice to take over the god damn world. TWICE.
They tried to erase another race of people from existence by industrialising and mechanising the murder of millions.
I'm gonna err on the side of caution when people tell me they've changed.

Jebus.
Show me a country in Europe that hasn't committed atrocities through history and many countries in Europe have tried to take over others so the Germans are no different only but for the fact that they nearly succeeded.
I worked in Germany for a few weeks and enjoyed the experience. While they me be a bit reserved socially I found them hospitable helpful hardworking and dedicated. They have an unbelievable work ethic and determination which is admirable and we here in Ireland could do with getting some of.
Maybe we could do with less of the cheap jibes about the wars and learn a bit more how to run a decent country rather be sitting at the table with our begging bowl held out, bringing nothing to the deal but for our sense of entitlement for cheap or free help.

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 12:51pm

Shenshen wrote: »

By that measure, next to everybody on the plnet is highly violent...

Not everybody, but history has shown us that certain countries are - Germany being one of them. Just because they aren't the only violent ones, doesn't mean they aren't violent at all.

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not trying to downplay German history, but please put it into context a little bit before proclaiming them the violent scum of the earth, will you?

I never proclaimed them violent scum of the earth or anything like it. But anybody who would be surprised at a german attempt to militarily force their will on the rest of us, at some point in the future, is in short, an idiot.
Same goes for certain other countries too, but this thread is about the germans.

Deltaeco · 13-06-2012 12:56pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I had interactions with a quite pretty but very hairy german lady. I found the whole experience quite positive:D

I've been to germany a few times and i think they are generally quite nice, friendly people. Granted they do have a slight tendency to try and take over the world, (attempt no 3 is fully underway at the moment) but sure nobody is perfect.
I'd go back to Germany no problem. Germans have a bad rep for being boring that is a little bit undeserved in my opinion. They also have a rep for being rather unhelpfull, which is wrong, in my opinion. Their rep for being frugal though is absolutely spot on in my experience.

LOVELY LOVELY BUNCH CAN'T PRAISE THEM ENOUGH TBH
sure its all a bit of craic (paddy's permanent beer goggles) attempt no 3............it must be wonderful to be so naive..
the good ole tactical marginalization is well under way' sure it will be grand...

bbam · 13-06-2012 12:58pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

anybody who would be surprised at a german attempt to militarily force their will on the rest of us, at some point in the future, is in short, an idiot.

I bet you have a tin foil hat on to protect you from those pesky Germans, your only speaking freely cos you know they can't read your thoughts

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 12:59pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Not everybody, but history has shown us that certain countries are - Germany being one of them. Just because they aren't the only violent ones, doesn't mean they aren't violent at all.

I never proclaimed them violent scum of the earth or anything like it. But anybody who would be surprised at a german attempt to militarily force their will on the rest of us, at some point in the future, is in short, an idiot.
Same goes for certain other countries too, but this thread is about the germans.

Every country in this world has it's dark ages for sure.

But just to mention, it was the English for example, who invented concentration camps during the Boer War in South Africa. Prove me wrong, but that's what I learned in school.

davet82 · 13-06-2012 1:00pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Didn't I mention those famous beach towels somewhere? Can't remember where it was though. Us Germans have a short memory, you know?

Anyway...23 pages now, and I start thinking, that Germany was much more liked and respected a few years ago...before the bailout, so to speak.

i must have missed that towel post

anyway... i think the majority of posts here were quite nice about Germans?

the bailout thing is just a bit of craic imo and anyone who actually blames your average german for it, is an idiot

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 1:00pm

bbam wrote: »

Maybe we could do with less of the cheap jibes about the wars and learn a bit more how to run a decent country rather be sitting at the table with our begging bowl held out, bringing nothing to the deal but for our sense of entitlement for cheap or free help.

It's not a cheap jibe at all. I've never lived in germany but i've visited a few times and i don't dislike them at all, if i did i'd hardly have gone back would i. But don't kid yourself, they aren't "bailing us out". Germany is acting in Germanys interest (and why wouldn't they, but that's not the point). A certain section of society here, and you appear to dwell among them, seem to think that Germany is a kindly old aunt, giving us a few quid to help us out, even though she knows we'll just blow it chasing women and drinking and she'll probably never see it back. Germany is ensuring that German institutions don't loose out, that's all they are doing, they don't give a flying fúck about Ireland. Why would they?

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 1:07pm

davet82 wrote: »

i must have missed that towel post

anyway... i think the majority of posts here were quite nice about Germans?

the bailout thing is just a bit of craic imo and anyone who actually blames your average german for it, is an idiot

They are indeed, but still some stereotypes around

Never mind, I can take it with a good sense of humor...and I don't support Mrs Merkel at all. The only thing is, I would not underestimate her, she might look a bit daft alright, but she is sort of intelligent.

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2012 1:09pm

bbam wrote: »

I bet you have a tin foil hat on to protect you from those pesky Germans, your only speaking freely cos you know they can't read your thoughts

Tin foil? Shít, i thought it was garlic and holy water that repelled Germans. Thanks for the heads up.:D

Lars1916 wrote: »

Every country in this world has it's dark ages for sure.

But just to mention, it was the English for example, who invented concentration camps during the Boer War in South Africa. Prove me wrong, but that's what I learned in school.

Let me be clear here, i am not saying that Germans are the only nasty bunch of fúckers in the world and everybody else just wants puppies and ice creams for all. But, and this is an important point, this thread is about GERMANS in particular, not human beings in general.
I know a lot of nations have done a lot of crappy things to each other. I merely stated that fuinseog saying the Germans were non violent, was historically inaccurate and open to correction.
Now does anyone care to point out the error in that statement?
Look hard, take your times, if i'm wrong correct me.

davet82 · 13-06-2012 1:10pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

and I don't support Mrs Merkel at all. The only thing is, I would not underestimate her, she might look a bit daft alright, but she is sort of intelligent.

dont underestimate Enda Kenny either he may look like a dumb ass but... actually wait... he is a dumb ass, underestimate as much you want, he wont suprise you

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 1:14pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I never proclaimed them violent scum of the earth or anything like it. But anybody who would be surprised at a german attempt to militarily force their will on the rest of us, at some point in the future, is in short, an idiot.
Same goes for certain other countries too, but this thread is about the germans.

You're talking about a country where calling someone a soldier can get you dragged into court on charges of insult. Germany is spending less per capita on its military than Denmark, and less than half what Greece is spending.

bbam · 13-06-2012 1:18pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's not a cheap jibe at all. I've never lived in germany but i've visited a few times and i don't dislike them at all, if i did i'd hardly have gone back would i. But don't kid yourself, they aren't "bailing us out". Germany is acting in Germanys interest (and why wouldn't they, but that's not the point). A certain section of society here, and you appear to dwell among them, seem to think that Germany is a kindly old aunt, giving us a few quid to help us out, even though she knows we'll just blow it chasing women and drinking and she'll probably never see it back. Germany is ensuring that German institutions don't loose out, that's all they are doing, they don't give a flying fúck about Ireland. Why would they?

Why would they indeed?
When our own governments are more interested in burying corruption in planning than exposing the truth, and this was the government who would change everything! WE don't have our best interest at heart yet we somehow expect the Germans to look after us and bail us out.
Of course they have their own interests at heart, they'd be fools not to.
But they are supplying us with cash to run our country, they have insisted on monitoring our progress on an agreement we signed up to, helping keep us on the straight ad narrow.. And you accuse them of trying to take over!

In a time where they have managed to rebuild their country twice we have managed to squander the money we received from Europe and govern ourselves into two recessions, the current one from which will take decades to recover from. Seriously, and some Irish people think that we can hold Europe to ransome for a right down of our debts, when the truth is that Europe would be better off without us.

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 1:23pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Let me be clear here, i am not saying that Germans are the only nasty bunch of fúckers in the world and everybody else just wants puppies and ice creams for all. But, and this is an important point, this thread is about GERMANS in particular, not human beings in general.
I know a lot of nations have done a lot of crappy things to each other. I merely stated that fuinseog saying the Germans were non violent, was historically inaccurate and open to correction.
Now does anyone care to point out the error in that statement?
Look hard, take your times, if i'm wrong correct me.

You are wrong. Fuinseog didn't say the Germans weren't violent, he said they aren't.

Yes, as a nation, they have been violent in the past. Immensely so.
But, and that but is important, they are not violent in the current age. Please keep in mind that the generation running Germany today is the 2nd and 3rd post-war generation, going into the 4th now.
Claiming that they are a violent nation based on something their great-grandparents seems unfair.

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 1:23pm

davet82 wrote: »

dont underestimate Enda Kenny either he may look like a dumb ass but... actually wait... he is a dumb ass, underestimate as much you want, he wont suprise you

Those two hugged and kissed each other on a few occasions, did they?

Shenshen · 13-06-2012 1:26pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Those two hugged and kisses each other on a few occasions, did they?

He'll be fine as long as he doesn't try to give her a back-rub

watch?v=eTQY1Aw9zcs

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 1:32pm

Shenshen wrote: »

He'll be fine as long as he doesn't try to give her a back-rub

Eek :eek:

Anyway, talking about the generations, which passed since the end of WW2. I have a few Polish friends, for example, decent lads, we slag each other off all the time. Just a quick reminder of the fact, that people are able to move forward, rather than dwelling in the past...and I'm not saying, that the past has to be denied, there just have to be appropriate ways to deal with it (blaming each other is not one of them, tbf)

13-06-2012 1:36pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Eek :eek:
Just a quick reminder of the fact, that people are able to move forward, rather than dwelling in the past...)

Apart from a certain political party in Ireland

Lawrence1895 · 13-06-2012 1:38pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

Apart from a certain political party in Ireland

Do we know each other from a different thread, which is about that certain political party in Ireland?

13-06-2012 1:42pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Do we know each other from a different thread, which is about that certain political party in Ireland?

Ah hello me oul flower.:D;)

The Germans

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