Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

bullvine · 12-06-2012 10:24AM

All though I loved the opening scene, am I the only one who thought from the trailer that it was one of the crew of Prometheus and would be near the end of the film!

JP Liz V1 · 12-06-2012 10:26AM

Logan Marshall-Green is a ringer for Tom Hardy

fitz0 · 12-06-2012 12:04PM

A question that lingers with me (it might seem like a small one) but if you spend a trillion dollars on this expedition and you get the best (presumably) crew together for it, why wouldn't you introduce them before sending them across the galaxy?

Seems a bit moronic imo.

Duggy747 · 12-06-2012 01:04PM

Professionalism was not key here at all.

You'd imagine they would be briefed together considering the distance they would be from Earth all alone. You'd want to make sure everyone got on with each other without comprimising the mission through petty squabbling while being confined in a tin can.

The more I think about this movie the more I hate the script. All the more-so because the other elements like the cinematography, sets, CGI, Rapace & Fassbender, etc, I really liked. It's what stopped this from being great.

Soundtrack wasn't great but some of the tracks have grown on me.

Zubeneschamali · 12-06-2012 01:43PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

The more I think about this movie the more I hate the script.

It's hard to believe that movies so regularly get made with such duff scripts, or get started when the script is only a sketch, and the whole mess gets made up on the fly. You'd imagine that the scripting should be the bit which can be done by a small, relatively cheap team: just the writers and director.

Agricola · 12-06-2012 01:45PM

The problem with the complete implausibility of these people being scientists keeps coming up again and again on reviews and video reviews I see.
In Aliens, it is acceptable for a squad of trained elite marines to be cocky and arrogant when they go into a possibly hostile environment, but when you have a bunch of highly educated and supposedly intelligent scientists showing more bravado and recklessness than the marines, you know you have a major problem in a movie!
If they had just worked the slow, tensioned filled survival horror angle and made these people more believable in their roles, it would have papered over alot of the other cracks in itself.

Merch · 12-06-2012 02:02PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Has pretty good reason to be afraid of them, just watch Alien.

I watched Aliens lastnight too, had been a while, and I had forgotten how much Alien 3 ends up messing with the continuity.

How does alien 3 mess with the continuity? Prometheus just screws with it, even if it precedes all three films (Alien/s/3)
And as for why Ripley was **** scared of it, well, I agree its a scary monster, personally I more dislike the facehugger, but I did happen to flick around late the other night and realised Aliens was on, damn it was nearly over, I switched on at the point Ripley had just met the queen, but she was toting that cool Automatic/grenade launcher/flame thrower and was blowing away the xenos, now if there was more than a squad of soldiers (like say a complete unit like a battalion) armed with those i think the Xenos dont look so fearsome, assuming you can wipe at all the eggs otherwise it could all start again!

bullvine wrote: »

We know these creatures are engineered by an alien race, so maybe they are engineered to grow without food, we are not talking about normal life as we know it, they have been specifically designed for a certain reason. Who really knows what science they come from, I found a lot of things wrong with this film but that wasnt one of them.

Do we know that? Where does it ever say that? It seems like a big assumption that the SpaceJockeys didnt just manipulate even only slightly or even just gestate/grow an existing creature, they may well have done this but they might not have engineered them from scratch either, just like humans were messing around with it in Alien Resurrection.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Logan Marshall-Green is a ringer for Tom Hardy

Thats what i thought, I had to look it up as I actually thought it was him

fitz0 wrote: »

A question that lingers with me (it might seem like a small one) but if you spend a trillion dollars on this expedition and you get the best (presumably) crew together for it, why wouldn't you introduce them before sending them across the galaxy?

Seems a bit moronic imo.

It is moronic, especially when the Scottish geologist dude pipes up and says he's just there for the money, ok fair enough but I wouldnt want to be stuck in a confined place with someone that antagonistic.
I avoided the trailers, but the one bit I did see was when they were showing all the places on earth that had the same star map, I assumed this was all happening on planet earth, so I was suprised how quickly it jumped to being in space on the ship and that this was only being done at that stage, its like a copy of how the audience are introduced to the first crew in Alien, they are woken up and go about their duties, but as we know all the stuff from from before they should have done something different, some kinda preamble/mission briefing would have been good I think.

If someone never saw the first three movies then this is probably a moderately ok sci fi flick, but having seen all the films but relating especially to the first 3 its terrible really, there was no suspense or terror, it wasnt horror sci fi or action adventure sci fi, just sci fi and not that good, unfortunately.

klose · 12-06-2012 03:02PM

Still havent seen it but from what ive read about the place unanswered/more questions where asked in this film but didnt the original alien have alot of unanswered questions and questions asked?

krudler · 12-06-2012 03:26PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Professionalism was not key here at all.

You'd imagine they would be briefed together considering the distance they would be from Earth all alone. You'd want to make sure everyone got on with each other without comprimising the mission through petty squabbling while being confined in a tin can.

The more I think about this movie the more I hate the script. All the more-so because the other elements like the cinematography, sets, CGI, Rapace & Fassbender, etc, I really liked. It's what stopped this from being great.

Soundtrack wasn't great but some of the tracks have grown on me.

I thought this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzI3AdpA9e4

sounded really like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-vz4Gdtrvc

PhiloCypher · 12-06-2012 03:37PM

whippedcream wrote: »

Still havent seen it but from what ive read about the place unanswered/more questions where asked in this film but didnt the original alien have alot of unanswered questions and questions asked?

Yes but it was a compelling film in it's own right so the fact it left the question of the origins of the xenomorph and the spacejockeys open doesn't ruin your enjoyment of it as a self contained film .

Anonymous User · 12-06-2012 04:43PM

whippedcream wrote: »

Still havent seen it but from what ive read about the place unanswered/more questions where asked in this film but didnt the original alien have alot of unanswered questions and questions asked?

The kind of questions you have after watching Alien: who is the Space Jockey?

The kind of questions you have after watching Prometheus: why does Vickers stupidly run straight under a rolling spaceship instead of away from it? why does the biologist stupidly want to touch a strange looking hissing snake?

I hope you see what I mean.

krudler · 12-06-2012 04:56PM

whippedcream wrote: »

Still havent seen it but from what ive read about the place unanswered/more questions where asked in this film but didnt the original alien have alot of unanswered questions and questions asked?

it handled them a lot better though, who or what the space jockey was and what the aliens were is one of cinemas coolest mysteries, Prometheus asks new questions and makes a balls of most of them

Mickeroo · 12-06-2012 05:09PM

Merch wrote: »

How does alien 3 mess with the continuity? Prometheus just screws with it, even if it precedes all three films (Alien/s/3)
And as for why Ripley was **** scared of it, well, I agree its a scary monster, personally I more dislike the facehugger, but I did happen to flick around late the other night and realised Aliens was on, damn it was nearly over, I switched on at the point Ripley had just met the queen, but she was toting that cool Automatic/grenade launcher/flame thrower and was blowing away the xenos, now if there was more than a squad of soldiers (like say a complete unit like a battalion) armed with those i think the Xenos dont look so fearsome, assuming you can wipe at all the eggs otherwise it could all start again!

You're right a batallion of soldiers would dispatch the Queen pretty easily, as I have no doubt would the squad in aliens. The marines in Aliens would have destroyed the xenos pretty handily in an open battle, unless there was enough xenos to overwhelm them. Xenos are no match for projectile weaponry at all, which is probably why the films never offer up a situation where defending against them is that straight forward

As for the continuity of Alien 3, Ripley never got impregnated in the first two films, it simply didn't happen, yet she has a queen in her by the end of Alien 3. I read the Alien 3 graphic novel back in the day, and that showed the chest burster crawling out of newt once she died and crawling into ripley's mouth, which would be fine, but Newt was never impregnated either. Ripley kills the facehugger just as its about to pounce on her, and besides they never bothered even showing the chestburster switching hosts in Alien 3 iirc .

Mickeroo · 12-06-2012 05:13PM

krudler wrote: »

I thought this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzI3AdpA9e4

sounded really like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-vz4Gdtrvc

you're dead right!

I liked the soundtrack for this though, seemed they tried to go for a tone of an exploration movie (the score reminded me of some of the stuff in Star Trek), aiming for a sense of wonder rather than dread.

Anonymous User · 12-06-2012 05:16PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

You're right a batallion of soldiers would dispatch the Queen pretty easily, as I have no doubt would the squad in aliens. The marines in Aliens would have destroyed the xenos pretty handily in an open battle, unless there was enough xenos to overwhelm them. Xenos are no match for projectile weaponry at all, which is probably why the films never offer up a situation where defending against them is that straight forward

They would not have to land actually, they could have just nuked the entire planet from the space.

Teyla Emmagan · 12-06-2012 05:17PM

Anonymous User wrote: »

The kind of questions you have after watching Alien: who is the Space Jockey?

The kind of questions you have after watching Prometheus: why does Vickers stupidly run straight under a rolling spaceship instead of away from it? why does the biologist stupidly want to touch a strange looking hissing snake?

I hope you see what I mean.

What was she even doing out there? Bar not wanting to miss out. Just no explanation of her character's motivation at all. And her father was nearly as thinly drawn. The writing was just depressing in places.

Mickeroo · 12-06-2012 05:20PM

Anonymous User wrote: »

They would not have to land actually, they could have just nuked the entire planet from the space.

It's the only way to be sure.

krudler · 12-06-2012 05:39PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

you're dead right!

I liked the soundtrack for this though, seemed they tried to go for a tone of an exploration movie (the score reminded me of some of the stuff in Star Trek), aiming for a sense of wonder rather than dread.

indeed, the main themes for Alien and Aliens fit the mood perfectly, Aliens is military sounding, scary, and then soothing for the opening shots of the pod drifting through space. the theme for Alien is brilliant, its so eerie and..well, alien. Goldsmith had a great knack for making music that was off kilter but suited the visuals perfectly.

here are all the opening themes for the previous movies, I love them all tbh, Alien 3's score is an underrated masterpice.

^ that note at 1.37 is beyond creepy, incredible piece of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK9cPymRVbs

^love the crescendo as the titles would appear on screen and white out

^ great opening sequence, great music.

so in those three musical themes you have something eerie, alien and threatening, something thats just all tension and buildup, and then something apocalyptic. which is exactly the tone of the three movies. Prometheus has this heroic Stark Trek esque theme that I didnt think suited it at all. Its a nice track but its like its from another movie.

Smiles35 · 12-06-2012 06:07PM

fitz0 wrote: »

A question that lingers with me (it might seem like a small one) but if you spend a trillion dollars on this expedition and you get the best (presumably) crew together for it, why wouldn't you introduce them before sending them across the galaxy?

Seems a bit moronic imo.

It's because Weylund wanted them 'disorganised' so he could make his appearance and do his thing his way. That's what I think, because if they had of met as a group before-hand they might have been a bit more cohesive as regards decision making.

Anonymous User wrote: »

The kind of questions you have after watching Prometheus: why does Vickers stupidly run straight under a rolling spaceship instead of away from it? why does the biologist stupidly want to touch a strange looking hissing snake?

Intentionally hiring, impulsive and childish people would sort of fit in with that. Did you see what one of them did to the poor space jockeys head? ''I can make it 'come alive'! look!'' For no educational or scientific purpose what-so ever.

fitz0 · 12-06-2012 06:27PM

Smell Badda wrote: »

It's because Weylund wanted them 'disorganised' so he could make his appearance and do his thing his way. That's what I think, because if they had of met as a group before-hand they might have been a bit more cohesive as regards decision making.

More cohesive, as in they would want to work together and share information ensuring the smooth running of an operation. It makes entirely no sense even if the above is true. Why send them at all, why not just make it a smaller crew? Less expense, more efficiency, a clearer mission.

Another thing has been bugging me though. The Engineers 'invited' humanity to come see them when they could. They weren't so keen on this 2000 years ago when humanity killed the space-Jesus. But the Engineers on the planet died around this time. My question is; why did the Engineers invite humanity to a military facility?

The Engineers died fairly sharpish after they had decided to wipe us out and we are presented with no indication that the planet was anything other than a staging ground for their WMD slime. Is there a reason I'm missing that the Engineers wanted their first meeting with humanity to happen in their equivalent of a nuclear missile silo?

grohlisagod · 12-06-2012 06:50PM

What's the 3D like for this film?

Smiles35 · 12-06-2012 07:15PM

fitz0 wrote: »

More cohesive, as in they would want to work together and share information ensuring the smooth running of an operation. It makes entirely no sense even if the above is true. Why send them at all, why not just make it a smaller crew? Less expense, more efficiency, a clearer mission.

I don't know. Weylund wanted to be able to communicate directly with them without anyone else getting ideas about how things should be done. That's the only clarity in mission he wanted apart from good guys to fly the ship.
Maybe the present board-members on the company hired the extra goons for a bit of mild-science but still let old frozen Weylund do his thing.;)

missingtime · 12-06-2012 07:30PM

Excellent and DEEP analysis of the themes of Prometheus. *MASSIVE SPOILERS* /via @vwdewaal http://t.co/QwaTgHD1 -- Scott Hanselman (@shanselman)

Very interesting.

Sorry if posted already

LeinsterDub · 12-06-2012 09:47PM

If our DNA and the alien's DNA are an exact match then why are they so much Stronger, Taller and psychically better than us?

DoesNotCompute · 12-06-2012 09:49PM

grohlisagod wrote: »

What's the 3D like for this film?

Doesn't really add anything, I wouldn't bother seeing it in 3D to be honest.

Some thoughts I've had, after seeing Promotheus this evening:

1. Why did the main character trust David after he had set off a series of events that lead to the death of her boyfriend, and led to her being impregnated by an alien? Why should she trust him when he says he can take her to the Engineer's home planet after he did all that to her?

2. Why didn't anything burst out of the biologist's chest after the slimy snake thingy jumped into his suit and went down his throat (and presumably laid a proto-chestburster in his chest)?

3. Why does Charlize Theron have a medical machine in her suite that is only for men? Seems like if you are going to spend a trillion dollars on a mission like this and you wanted to make sure you protected your investment, you wouldn't have overlooked something like this. You would have ensured that the board member on the ship (who's also next in line for the Weyland empire) would have a medical machine that would actually work on women.

EDIT: sorry if some of these questions have already been addressed but I've been purposefully not reading this thread until now for fear of spoiling it for myself.

PhiloCypher · 12-06-2012 09:54PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

If our DNA and the alien's DNA are an exact match then why are they so much Stronger, Taller and psychically better than us?

I can only imagine they used the 100% DNA match stat to hammer home to the audience that they created us regardless of how much sense it makes .

3. Why does Charlize Theron have a medical machine in her suite that is only for men? Seems like if you are going to spend a trillion dollars on a mission like this and you wanted to make sure you protected your investment, you wouldn't have overlooked something like this. You would have ensured that the board member on the ship (who's also next in line for the Weyland empire) would have a medical machine that would actually work on women.

It's not for her, you have seen this film right ?????

LeinsterDub · 12-06-2012 10:10PM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

It's not for her, you have seen this film right ?????

Put its a slightly different way. Why couldn't the fancy future surgeon contain the details for both Male and Female operations.

Chris_Heilong · 12-06-2012 10:13PM

krudler wrote: »

indeed, the main themes for Alien and Aliens fit the mood perfectly, Aliens is military sounding, scary, and then soothing for the opening shots of the pod drifting through space. the theme for Alien is brilliant, its so eerie and..well, alien. Goldsmith had a great knack for making music that was off kilter but suited the visuals perfectly.

here are all the opening themes for the previous movies, I love them all tbh, Alien 3's score is an underrated masterpice.

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^ that note at 1.37 is beyond creepy, incredible piece of music.
BK9cPymRVbs

^love the crescendo as the titles would appear on screen and white out

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^ great opening sequence, great music.

so in those three musical themes you have something eerie, alien and threatening, something thats just all tension and buildup, and then something apocalyptic. which is exactly the tone of the three movies. Prometheus has this heroic Stark Trek esque theme that I didnt think suited it at all. Its a nice track but its like its from another movie.

I think you will find this is the Theme from Alien and it also made a guest appearance in Prometheus, the one you showed was the music that played on LV426

Creature · 12-06-2012 10:17PM

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Doesn't really add anything, I wouldn't bother seeing it in 3D to be honest.

Some thoughts I've had, after seeing Promotheus this evening:
1. Why did the main character trust David after he had set off a series of events that lead to the death of her boyfriend, and led to her being impregnated by an alien? Why should she trust him when he says he can take her to the Engineer's home planet after he did all that to her?

2. Why didn't anything burst out of the biologist's chest after the slimy snake thingy jumped into his suit and went down his throat (and presumably laid a proto-chestburster in his chest)?

3. Why does Charlize Theron have a medical machine in her suite that is only for men? Seems like if you are going to spend a trillion dollars on a mission like this and you wanted to make sure you protected your investment, you wouldn't have overlooked something like this. You would have ensured that the board member on the ship (who's also next in line for the Weyland empire) would have a medical machine that would actually work on women.

EDIT: sorry if some of these questions have already been addressed but I've been purposefully not reading this thread until now for fear of spoiling it for myself.

1. Presumably he was free to follow his own choices since he no longer under the old mans orders so there's no reason to believe he would lie when saying he could pilot the ship to their home world, especially since he warned her about the Engineer that went after her. Also she had nowhere else to go so had no other option but to trust him.

2. It wasn't trying to 'impregnate' him, just kill him.

3. It was for the old man.

p_o_s_t_y · 12-06-2012 10:30PM

Found this on a website,looks like a good interpretation of Prometheus
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

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