Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

al28283 · 09-06-2012 10:37PM

For her to be a robot you have to explain it by introducing loads of info that was never hinted at in the movie

Merch · 09-06-2012 10:54PM

Disappointing, is how I'd describe it and the characters were mostly annoying. Possible spoilers but if you haven't seen the film, just dont read.
As someone has just said, I think the writers dont even know (or care) if Vickers is an android or not (I dont think it suggests she is), but they left it open, let people debate it, then they can decide what to do with it afterwards, like another film/mission comes along

and finds her head

like fassbenders in this

or Bishops head in Alien 3 at the start.
Still as mentioned the characters do stupid and annoying stuff, there was no tension or terror??
And why does everyone think the planet is a military base, that was being repeated in the thread,

when the captain just speculated it was a military installation/a weapons developing or testing facility

, then everyone went with that in the thread, in reality it may have been the Space jockeys home planet (the only reason the star maps point to that place and make sense) but they screwed it up? with genetic weapons? or they may have multiple home planets?

I think they tried to make it so different that they ruined any chance of there being some kind of direct lineage between this film and Alien/s/3, I'd have liked if there was some connection.

The original ship on LV 426? well it must be a different planet because there was no signal detected or none mentioned in this film? but wasn't the Alien ship from "Alien" 1000's of years old that it had fossilised?

as in older than the 2000 years of the space jockeys in prometheus, which hadn't fossilised? so the facehugger eggs predate that already?

When they go off on a tangent like this diverging from the canon? of at least the Alien/s/3 films, the only way of recovering to make it fit is to suggest in a future film that they travelled in time and didnt realise it in this film (fassbender kept quiet) or

the ship that Shaw leaves on

will have to travel in time (backwards) and they bring back the Alien and infect or accidentally give the genetics/technology to create the xenomorph (causality loop?) to the space jockeys,

which might also give the space jockeys a genuine reason to kill humans off

(ie they determine we are dangerous to them and others? by our naivety and carelessness travelling through space infecting worlds or because we are vain and selfish? want to stop aging (weyland) and they havent designed us for that?) possibilities maybe.
I'd still really have preferred if the space jockeys

were more elaphantine than the human form.

And how difficult would it have been to make the technology of the ship appear (retro) similar to the original, that would have been cool.

The start was odd, didnt really lead in to being in space as mentioned by someone, the crew were disjointed were I'd have expected a private expedition into space to be organised, the stupid stuff like people going off on their own, removing helmets, doing their own thing, the nods to the original, Theron with the flamethrower, the geologist only in it for the money like the maintenance crew on the Nostromo. It was all a bit too gung ho.
Its a shame, they could have done something good, even the unexplained stuff David does, doesnt do much for Fassbender in my opinion, even though he was the best thing in it.

Chris_Heilong · 10-06-2012 01:00AM

Maybe the derelict ship from Alien has an earlier version of the Bio weapon the SJ's were trying to create, as the vases are very reminiscent of the eggs we see in Alien perhaps it is a new form of bio weapon. Not much to support this theory except maybe the xenomorph mural as been proof of a successful fully developed and finished weapon.

Its like the film was a game of make up your own story or fill in the missing parts for your selves, an interesting experiment if so but one I wish they had tried with a lesser franchise. I would be interested in seeing a making of Prometius documentary as I am interested in the filmmakers intentions.

Scram · 10-06-2012 08:14AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Oh - and the effects were utterly shockingly bad at times.

i agree with all the points you made except that unless you mean the old man makeup which was laughable.

Oafley Jones · 10-06-2012 10:00AM

Finally got round to seeing this yesterday. It's kinda like that fantastic looking girl you manage to get a date with - only to discover that she's thick as ****. Such a waste.

Handsome Bob · 10-06-2012 11:04AM

Found a quote that nicely sums up my view of this film:

The total lack of understanding that making a movie about supposedly Big Ideas involves actually having some Big Ideas rather than simply having your characters say "I'm chasing the Big Idea"?

http://twitchfilm.com/news/2012/06/an-open-letter-to-damon-lindelof.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TwitchEverything+%28Twitch%3A+Everything%29

opinion guy · 10-06-2012 11:10AM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Finally got round to seeing this yesterday. It's kinda like that fantastic looking girl you manage to get a date with - only to discover that she's thick as ****. Such a waste.

Great review

jcf · 10-06-2012 11:56AM

Merch wrote: »

Disappointing, is how I'd describe it and the characters were mostly annoying. Possible spoilers but if you haven't seen the film, just dont read.
As someone has just said, I think the writers dont even know (or care) if Vickers is an android or not (I dont think it suggests she is), but they left it open, let people debate it, then they can decide what to do with it afterwards, like another film/mission comes along
and finds her head

like fassbenders in this
or Bishops head in Alien 3 at the start.
Still as mentioned the characters do stupid and annoying stuff, there was no tension or terror??
And why does everyone think the planet is a military base, that was being repeated in the thread,
when the captain just speculated it was a military installation/a weapons developing or testing facility
, then everyone went with that in the thread, in reality it may have been the Space jockeys home planet (the only reason the star maps point to that place and make sense) but they screwed it up? with genetic weapons? or they may have multiple home planets?

I think they tried to make it so different that they ruined any chance of there being some kind of direct lineage between this film and Alien/s/3, I'd have liked if there was some connection.

The original ship on LV 426? well it must be a different planet because there was no signal detected or none mentioned in this film? but wasn't the Alien ship from "Alien" 1000's of years old that it had fossilised?
as in older than the 2000 years of the space jockeys in prometheus, which hadn't fossilised? so the facehugger eggs predate that already?

When they go off on a tangent like this diverging from the canon? of at least the Alien/s/3 films, the only way of recovering to make it fit is to suggest in a future film that they travelled in time and didnt realise it in this film (fassbender kept quiet) or
the ship that Shaw leaves on
will have to travel in time (backwards) and they bring back the Alien and infect or accidentally give the genetics/technology to create the xenomorph (causality loop?) to the space jockeys,
which might also give the space jockeys a genuine reason to kill humans off
(ie they determine we are dangerous to them and others? by our naivety and carelessness travelling through space infecting worlds or because we are vain and selfish? want to stop aging (weyland) and they havent designed us for that?) possibilities maybe.
I'd still really have preferred if the space jockeys
were more elaphantine than the human form.

And how difficult would it have been to make the technology of the ship appear (retro) similar to the original, that would have been cool.
The start was odd, didnt really lead in to being in space as mentioned by someone, the crew were disjointed were I'd have expected a private expedition into space to be organised, the stupid stuff like people going off on their own, removing helmets, doing their own thing, the nods to the original, Theron with the flamethrower, the geologist only in it for the money like the maintenance crew on the Nostromo. It was all a bit too gung ho.
Its a shame, they could have done something good, even the unexplained stuff David does, doesnt do much for Fassbender in my opinion, even though he was the best thing in it.

Yes the ship in alien does seem to predate this ship , and yet they are trying to hint that the squid was a descendent of the facehugger and the chest buster at the end was a descendent of the xenos we know....

But wait when a fool like Lindehof is involved what do you expect ?
He probably hasn't even seen the original alien ..

He can just create a bs mystery that never gets explained , and will never need t o be explained .

Lamper.sffc · 10-06-2012 12:39PM

After seeing this movie and reading a lot of the various debates I cant help being reminded of what Bill Hicks said about the movie Basic Instinct.
While they are obviously two completely different movies I feel his basic philosophy could and should be applied to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTifComO7U

Calibos · 10-06-2012 04:02PM

Certainly on IMDB there seems to be a common misconception by the defenders of the film that the 'haters' just didn't get it, didn't understand the profound themes or they went over our heads, that maybe we went expecting another xenomorph centric horror or action alien movie.

The irony is pretty delicious. In fact its the opposite. The 'haters' are the people who fully understood the profound themes, who were already familiar with them and their genesis in popular culture, who have a breadth of interests and knowledge of film, of science, of philosophy............................that allow us to see the piss-poor attempt of dealing with those themes in this film for the pretentious hackery that they are.

If you can't see how piss poorly these themes were dealt with in the film then I am afraid it is you who 'Just doesn't get it'.

PhiloCypher · 10-06-2012 04:36PM

Oft times with people (and this is true of some of my friends) they are all too willing to employ the word genius when left confounded by a film that purportedly tackles the big Ideas , instead of acknowledging the true culprit for their confusion the bad writing. The root cause of the phenomenon is insecurity and fear of being accused of not getting it by overly pretentious cinephiles.

When it comes to films of this type with a lot of expectation one often finds one can break down peoples reaction into a cinematic grief cycle whereby at first people are in denial , Phantom menace was a prime example of this , we'd been waiting so long for new star wars we all convinced ourselves it was better then it was , next you find people in anger mode where they accuse any and all criticism of the film to be nit picking and thus invalid before finally they reach acceptance where they , and this is the most amusing part for me, go into life of brian what have the Romans ever done for us mode and acknowledge the awful dialogue crappy characters confusing plot but STILL really enjoyed the film.

kronsington · 11-06-2012 09:58AM

A post movie viral campaign has begun. Sigh :rolleyes:

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/prometheus-credits-lead-to-new-viral-material

Tayleur · 11-06-2012 10:08AM

kronsington wrote: »

A post movie viral campaign has begun. Sigh :rolleyes:

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/prometheus-credits-lead-to-new-viral-material

more gimmicks to keep the movie in the mind for as long as possible.

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 12:01PM

It got beaten by Madagascar 3 in the states this weekend, still raked in 50m though. Not an astronomical opening but good for an r-rated movie. Apparently it dropped a lot after friday though.

As disappointed as I was, I'd still like to see a sequel. Should probably get one now too.

opinion guy · 11-06-2012 12:35PM

kronsington wrote: »

A post movie viral campaign has begun. Sigh :rolleyes:

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/prometheus-credits-lead-to-new-viral-material

Yeah I've been expecting this since that date at the end

Ray Palmer · 11-06-2012 01:49PM

I just happened to catch the start of Aliens last night and it struck me. Why is Ripley so afraid of them?
She encountered one on a ship. If there was any wild predator on a ship it would be a risk to the crew. She is kind of overreacting and knows none of the real danger until later. The whole company sinister element is also pretty poor.
Still acceptable story elements while this one just has massive holes and they tried to add the older elements to.

MrStuffins · 11-06-2012 01:54PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I just happened to catch the start of Aliens last night and it struck me. Why is Ripley so afraid of them?
She encountered one on a ship. If there was any wild predator on a ship it would be a risk to the crew. She is kind of overreacting and knows none of the real danger until later. The whole company sinister element is also pretty poor.
Still acceptable story elements while this one just has massive holes and they tried to add the older elements to.

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 02:09PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I just happened to catch the start of Aliens last night and it struck me. Why is Ripley so afraid of them?
She encountered one on a ship. If there was any wild predator on a ship it would be a risk to the crew. She is kind of overreacting and knows none of the real danger until later. The whole company sinister element is also pretty poor.
Still acceptable story elements while this one just has massive holes and they tried to add the older elements to.

Has pretty good reason to be afraid of them, just watch Alien.

I watched Aliens lastnight too, had been a while, and I had forgotten how much Alien 3 ends up messing with the continuity.

Rubber_Soul · 11-06-2012 02:54PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I just happened to catch the start of Aliens last night and it struck me. Why is Ripley so afraid of them?

I reckon it has something to do with landing on an alien planet and encountering a ship which contains hundreds of thousands of eggs, out of said eggs hatches a creature that mouth rapes a crewmate and implants a monster that bursts out of his chest and kills off all her remaining crewmates in horribly brutal fashion and from which she barely survives.

I dunno, I'm just guessin' like :pac:

Ray Palmer · 11-06-2012 03:03PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Has pretty good reason to be afraid of them, just watch Alien.

I watched Aliens lastnight too, had been a while, and I had forgotten how much Alien 3 ends up messing with the continuity.

good reason to be afraid of a tiger too if it was loose on a spaceship. Suggesting it would end the world as she does is a jump. Unaware about how it breeds etc.
Dangerous yes but she over extends what she can know. Just saying, pretty standard fare but doesn't detract from the story unlike leaps and jumps in Prometheus. Stating they were going to destroy us but changed their mind unless it was bad English where she got her last subject mixed up which still points to a bad script

opinion guy · 11-06-2012 03:06PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

I reckon it has something to do with landing on an alien planet and encountering a ship which contains hundreds of thousands of eggs, out of said eggs hatches a creature that mouth rapes a crewmate and implants a monster that bursts out of his chest and kills off all her remaining crewmates in horribly brutal fashion and from which she barely survives.

I dunno, I'm just guessin' like :pac:

The chest bursting thing alone would do it I reckon :rolleyes:

krudler · 11-06-2012 03:09PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I just happened to catch the start of Aliens last night and it struck me. Why is Ripley so afraid of them?
She encountered one on a ship. If there was any wild predator on a ship it would be a risk to the crew. She is kind of overreacting and knows none of the real danger until later. The whole company sinister element is also pretty poor.
Still acceptable story elements while this one just has massive holes and they tried to add the older elements to.

what in the absolute fcuk?

kronsington · 11-06-2012 03:30PM

i always listen to this movie podcast

here the lads discuss the movie, worth a listen

http://www.slashfilm.com/filmcast-ep-188-prometheus/#disqus_thread

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 03:34PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

good reason to be afraid of a tiger too if it was loose on a spaceship. Suggesting it would end the world as she does is a jump. Unaware about how it breeds etc.

She seen the eggs, seen her crew mate get impregnated by a face hugger, seen a small xeno burst out of his chest then grow bigger and kill her entire crew and nearly her in an extremely efficient fashion. She knows exactly how it breeds, and the manner it breeds is like nothing seen on planet earth outside the realm of parasitic insects. A tiger won't have a spider-like creature do you in the mouth and then have its baby to eat you from the inside out, the breeding cycle and the apparent intelligence of the offspring fairly set it apart form any large predators on earth.

She's also aware there was more than one egg in the derelict, she's told there's, what 100 colonists on the planet with no military presence? Thats a lot of hosts, its pretty rational to think 100's of those monsters could be a pretty big threat to anyone.

Besides, she's most likely pretty traumatised too, so even without all I've said above her reactions make perfect sense.

Duggy747 · 11-06-2012 03:36PM

I think picking up an organism that raped a fellow crew member's face and then laid an egg down his throat which then grew into another lifeform and burst out of his chest at the dinner table, escaped, grew to a huge size and picked off everyone as it travelled along the vents would rattle anyone.

All of this while it had acid for blood made it practically indestructable.

Then she was to go back down to the planet where there were hundreds of them and she's wasn't happy about it?

The fùck, man?

indough · 11-06-2012 03:42PM

someone needs to make an alien vs tiger movie so that we can put this discussion to bed for once and all

Ray Palmer · 11-06-2012 04:17PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

. She knows exactly how it breeds, and the manner it breeds is like nothing seen on planet earth outside the realm of parasitic insects.

She's also aware there was more than one egg in the derelict, she's told there's, what 100 colonists on the planet with no military presence? Thats a lot of hosts, its pretty rational to think 100's of those monsters could be a pretty big threat to anyone.

.

Gestation knowledge is not breeding knowledge.
She freaks out before she knows about the colonists.
^^^^^^^
Main point is she reacts as they are danger to people in the room as she is being disciplined. They aren't really a danger unless a queen goes to a new planet.

Never bothered me until I noticed last night. I am fine with it just noted.

MrStuffins · 11-06-2012 04:21PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Gestation knowledge is not breeding knowledge.
She freaks out before she knows about the colonists.
^^^^^^^
Main point is she reacts as they are danger to people in the room as she is being disciplined. They aren't really a danger unless a queen goes to a new planet.

Never bothered me until I noticed last night. I am fine with it just noted.

She doesn't know this. She learns it later in the Aliens movie. Bill Paxton's character suggests the possible existence of a "Queen" and Ripley has no idea about it.

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 04:27PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Gestation knowledge is not breeding knowledge.
She freaks out before she knows about the colonists.
^^^^^^^
Main point is she reacts as they are danger to people in the room as she is being disciplined. They aren't really a danger unless a queen goes to a new planet.

Never bothered me until I noticed last night. I am fine with it just noted.

She knows more than just the gestation, she knows how the fetus/larvae is administered to the host, thats the full breeding process bar what lays the eggs. As I already said, she knew there was loads of eggs in the derelict too.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with her being disciplined?

You also seem to be overlooking the massive amount of trauma she is undergoing in the first act of the film, both from the events of the first film and also finding out she's ended up outliving her daughter. The nightmare sequence alone shows that.

I get that you're just noting it, but it actually doesn't make any sense to me.

krudler · 11-06-2012 04:37PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Gestation knowledge is not breeding knowledge.
She freaks out before she knows about the colonists.
^^^^^^^
Main point is she reacts as they are danger to people in the room as she is being disciplined. They aren't really a danger unless a queen goes to a new planet.

Never bothered me until I noticed last night. I am fine with it just noted.

in the extended version she meets Dallas who the alien has cocooned and is turning into an egg, its a brilliant way of showing how the xenomorph can extend its species without the presence of a queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLnDtuQrtE

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