Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

Amalgam · 11-06-2012 04:44PM

krudler wrote: »

in the extended version she meets Dallas who the alien has cocooned and is turning into an egg, its a brilliant way of showing how the xenomorph can extend its species without the presence of a queen.

'Parthenogenesis' exists on earth, in small creatures\insects mostly, but, quite recently, scientists are pretty sure it is part of the Komodo dragon's life cycle too.

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 04:45PM

^^ it would only take one facehugger to start a colony anyway, they can impregnate a host with a queen if needs be.

WatchWolf · 11-06-2012 04:45PM

This a pretty good analysis/interpretation. It cleared up somethings for me.

leakyboots · 11-06-2012 05:22PM

WatchWolf wrote: »

This a pretty good analysis/interpretation. It cleared up somethings for me.

After sitting through that ****heap of a film, do you really expect me to watch a twenty minute analysis of it??

krudler · 11-06-2012 05:24PM

I love how he could basically assemble the entire film just from the trailers, tv spots and stills :pac:

opinion guy · 11-06-2012 05:59PM

Any film that requires me to watch an explanatory documentary to understand it == FAIL

Sin City · 11-06-2012 06:52PM

Read this article if anyone is interested?

Talk of a sequel

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/editors/prometheus-viral-provides-hints-sequel-theory-113330775.html

OctavarIan · 11-06-2012 07:05PM

Has this article been posted here yet? Some interesting theories in it that--if taken to be true--would clear up some of the missing plot elements at least. It's fairly long but a good read.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

opinion guy wrote:

Any film that requires me to watch an explanatory documentary to understand it == FAIL

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.

seraphimvc · 11-06-2012 07:05PM

i like the movie and i wish i could say 'i like it very much' or 'i love it'.

As a huge fan of alien/aliens (i watched them again lately, they are truly some timeless classics), i expected more. The movie is fine really, nothing too bad or nothing too good, just like the original Alien but the original Alien was unique in so many ways (especially the plot and how RS handled some classic moments) so in comparison, Prometheus seems ordinary and lack of passion.

It is no doubt that Prometheus is the best 'alien' sci-fi since alien3, for me anyway. My god, i hated AVP and the predator reboot so much. However there were many moments in the movie really ruined my overall enjoyment of the movie.

1.the practice of the scientists in the film is shocking. Taking off the helmets?!!!! I don't think anyone who done basic biology would consider doing that. As far as i concern, alien can be bacteria/organism in the air, there is no fcking way that these scientists wouldn't aware of that.

2.I wonder how would the mums feel when they saw Shaw started to running around RIGHT AFTER she did a c-section of herself. *facepalm* jesus. the writer. *facepalm* and RS gave a green light for that script???! I have a mixed feeling on the staples though rofl

3.the character David. ya, sure, able directly communicate with alien by learning all the earth languages in 2 years. and the character overall, imo, is poorly written or should i say, is weakly written. I really couldn't care enough for him after Weyland showed up. Such an irony, 'Try harder' is actually what i would say to the writer. Such a pity because Fassbender's performance is of course the best among the crew.

4.zombie dude. why did you open the door to check out some unknown object (on an alien planet). i mean why do these people feel so 'safe' out there?? the whole massacre part can be deleted and no one would care.

5.rambo pilots. ye.

6.10hours pregnancy is fine, as reflecting to the human baby's 10months. alien octopus's (extreme) superior growth rate, is fine. what baffled me is that, where is the food source. In alien/s movies, you can see the infected human is extremely sick and tired -> the thing is sucking the host's energy in order to grow, simple biology. Yet Shaw didnt seem to show any sign of being infected. and then, a short period of time later, the baby octopus has turned into a HUGE octopus without any food source, HUGE MUSCULAR octopus with UBER STRENGTH that can tackle the giant alien. Ya sure, alien's food source is oxygen now?

The good thing is that though, Prometheus seems has less 'boring' moments than Alien but then it is evident that Prometheus is less 'scary' than Alien. Not sure was it because the non-mature rating or because RS handled things differently this time.

Overall this is a must see for alien/aliens fans but i wouldn't recommend it to non-alien fan. Can't wait for director cut though, I wish RS can improve my enjoyment from the cinema version. Probably won't be much difference since the basic of the plots/script in this movie is just weak.

SirDelboy18 · 11-06-2012 07:10PM

Thought it was incredible. Fassbender was fantastic.

seraphimvc · 11-06-2012 07:21PM

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Thought it was incredible. Fassbender was fantastic.

i have to say his performance is the best among the crew. but the character is just weak especially after weyland showed up.

oh and vicky is clearly not a cyborg? i mean, i suppose the captain had a good night?:P

opinion guy · 11-06-2012 07:35PM

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Thought it was incredible. Fassbender was fantastic.

gotta say - he is truly a remarkable actor

WatchWolf · 11-06-2012 07:46PM

The movie isn't perfect, that's for sure.

What I think is the most unfair criticism is that there are "too many unanswered questions".

In more recent years this Steven Spielberg fueled accumulation of movie goers has arose. People have become so accustomed to a film being wrapped up in a nice little bow, that they feel the need to get angry if a question is posed by the film. It's a shame that audiences have been closing there minds towards interpretation or ambiguity in films.

SuprSi · 11-06-2012 07:55PM

OctavarIan wrote: »

Has this article been posted here yet? Some interesting theories in it that--if taken to be true--would clear up some of the missing plot elements at least. It's fairly long but a good read.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

Now that's deep! Very interesting read, but wow there's some real smarts on show there!

dr gonzo · 11-06-2012 08:06PM

Went to see this with the gf and we both really enjoyed it (she had seen none of the alien films). I will admit though that there was a feeling of lost potential to it, not to mention the ambiguity of many aspects. On top of that, about half way through, the tension seemed to slip out of it somewhat. Otherwise I actually must admit I enjoyed it, and what more can you ask for really.

I havent read the full thread but I'm wondering if anyone has heard an explanation for why the spacejockeys are so hostile?

krudler · 11-06-2012 08:09PM

WatchWolf wrote: »

The movie isn't perfect, that's for sure.

What I think is the most unfair criticism is that there are "too many unanswered questions".

In more recent years this Steven Spielberg fueled accumulation of movie goers has arose. People have become so accustomed to a film being wrapped up in a nice little bow, that they feel the need to get angry if a question is posed by the film. It's a shame that audiences have been closing there minds towards interpretation or ambiguity in films.

there's a big difference between ambiguity and sh1tty scriptwriting though.

krudler · 11-06-2012 08:12PM

dr gonzo wrote: »

Went to see this with the gf and we both really enjoyed it (she had seen none of the alien films). I will admit though that there was a feeling of lost potential to it, not to mention the ambiguity of many aspects. On top of that, about half way through, the tension seemed to slip out of it somewhat. Otherwise I actually must admit I enjoyed it, and what more can you ask for really.

I havent read the full thread but I'm wondering if anyone has heard an explanation for why the spacejockeys are so hostile?

because thats the why. its Lindelofs go to answer for plot holes :pac:

OctavarIan · 11-06-2012 08:14PM

dr gonzo wrote: »

I havent read the full thread but I'm wondering if anyone has heard an explanation for why the spacejockeys are so hostile?

I posted this on the previous page: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

It's just a theory, but the best one I've found by far.

al28283 · 11-06-2012 08:24PM

OctavarIan wrote: »

I posted this on the previous page: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

It's just a theory, but the best one I've found by far.

lotta nonsense in that article

shizz · 11-06-2012 08:36PM

I think some of this may have been in the other article but it's an easier read SPOILERS

Mickeroo · 11-06-2012 08:47PM

Going to be a 20 minute longer extended cut on the Blu-Ray: http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

Also, it could have been a lot worse:

Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.

THank feck that didn't happen :eek:

Source: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

Good interview with Scott though.

Chris_Heilong · 11-06-2012 08:55PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Going to be a 20 minute longer extended cut on the Blu-Ray: http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

Also, it could have been a lot worse:

THank feck that didn't happen :eek:

Source: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

Good interview with Scott though.

But it kinda did, all the reference points about Christmas and something Happening 2000 years ago, I already mentioned Jesus like 20 pages ago.

Phony Scott · 11-06-2012 09:53PM

Don't know if this has been posted already, but it looks like the marketing for the sequel is already in the works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDanyJA5aRU

Also check out this site here

PhiloCypher · 11-06-2012 10:42PM

al28283 wrote: »

lotta nonsense in that article

I wouldn't say its nonsense exactly, it seems to be a very thoughtful treatise on the recurring themes brought up in the film , but it hasn't really changed my opinion of Prometheus, religious symbolism in of itself does not a good film make just look at Superman Returns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP8dC8E6Emk

Creating a film with a bit of depth where if you dig a little you will find new aspects to enjoy is one thing, making a film so ambiguous that you need to research for days after it to make any sense or get any enjoyment out of it is another. The film has to be compelling in it's own right stripped of it's overarching themes , this film just wasn't imo.

Eggy Baby! · 11-06-2012 11:55PM

Link here where the writers talk about questions that are on people's minds about the film:

http://io9.com/prometheus/

Handsome Bob · 12-06-2012 07:17AM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Mickeroo wrote: »

Going to be a 20 minute longer extended cut on the Blu-Ray: http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

Also, it could have been a lot worse:

THank feck that didn't happen :eek:

Source: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

Good interview with Scott though.

But it kinda did, all the reference points about Christmas and something Happening 2000 years ago, I already mentioned Jesus like 20 pages ago.

Yeah, I think it was definitely implied.

Zubeneschamali · 12-06-2012 08:00AM

seraphimvc wrote: »

a short period of time later, the baby octopus has turned into a HUGE octopus without any food source, HUGE MUSCULAR octopus with UBER STRENGTH that can tackle the giant alien. Ya sure, alien's food source is oxygen now?

Well, the original alien did exactly the same thing. It clearly didn't eat John Hurt, since he was fine at breakfast. It basically just hid inside him, and then burst out and scurried off as a little skinny foot-high alien.

Then it mysteriously swelled into an eight-foot monster within hours.

seraphimvc · 12-06-2012 09:11AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, the original alien did exactly the same thing. It clearly didn't eat John Hurt, since he was fine at breakfast. It basically just hid inside him, and then burst out and scurried off as a little skinny foot-high alien.

Then it mysteriously swelled into an eight-foot monster within hours.

I know both cases are far fetch (they are sci-fi in the end of day), but i am fine with alien all these years mainly because the key physical feature of alien is skinny, and it was a full baby when it burst out so who knows what was it eating/drinking while it disappeared. I dont even mind if water can be a food source, we saw it hiding/taking off its skin in the wet dark area of the ship.

the octopus was taken out of her body (ie it was not ready to burst out/survive on its own) and its size is HUGE after a short period of time.

kronsington · 12-06-2012 10:06AM

I love all the discussion and links (here's another one) but Christ Im almost burned out-

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/what-is-going-on-in-prometheus-a-universe-of-questions-answers-and-theories/

bullvine · 12-06-2012 10:07AM

seraphimvc wrote: »

I know both cases are far fetch (they are sci-fi in the end of day), but i am fine with alien all these years mainly because the key physical feature of alien is skinny, and it was a full baby when it burst out so who knows what was it eating/drinking while it disappeared. I dont even mind if water can be a food source, we saw it hiding/taking off its skin in the wet dark area of the ship.

the octopus was taken out of her body (ie it was not ready to burst out/survive on its own) and its size is HUGE after a short period of time.

We know these creatures are engineered by an alien race, so maybe they are engineered to grow without food, we are not talking about normal life as we know it, they have been specifically designed for a certain reason. Who really knows what science they come from, I found a lot of things wrong with this film but that wasnt one of them.

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