Do women have all the power...

Madam_X · 10-06-2012 09:01PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

Bit of an extreme to use as an argument no?

midlandsmissus · 10-06-2012 09:01PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What's not about power?

The simple fact of matters are that the more attractive a woman is the more influence she has over men. Do you deny this statement?

What if the man had got to know said attractive woman and couldn't stand her?

Doc Ruby · 10-06-2012 09:02PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

Depends, some guys like em cuddly.

No you have a point, of course, but its not the end of the discussion, there are many more facets to the complex interplay between men and women in different societies than a powerometer. It seems like a very aggressive way of looking at relationships.

Personally speaking, in my experience, I'll go up and talk to anyone, no matter how hot, because I know if they have an unpleasant personality I'm much better off steering clear, and if they turn out to be good craic, then by god I'll have good craic with them! Its a win-win proposition, but if you're fixated on looks you'll never get that. Doesn't even need confidence, no magic, just be able to peek a little under the surface and find something to natter about.

midlandsmissus · 10-06-2012 09:03PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

Maybe ask why the man would rather give his euro to an attractive woman. Is it about the man, or the woman? i.e he feels good about himself.

Lyaiera · 10-06-2012 09:06PM

When I was five I had a power that let me change the colour of traffic lights if I stared at them hard enough and for long enough.

midlandsmissus · 10-06-2012 09:08PM

What do you think love is Scanlaas the second?

AdventRises · 10-06-2012 09:13PM

In regards to sex ... Yes.

'guys are the chasers, girls are the choosers" - reason why its a famous saying

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:14PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What's not about power?

The simple fact of matters are that the more attractive a woman is the more influence she has over men. Do you deny this statement?

What if the man had got to know said attractive woman and couldn't stand her?

Did I ever say looks are the only thing that matters to men looking for a girlfriend.

What is power? It's the ability to influence other people. Attractive women all things equal can influence men more than unatteactive women. Try an experiment, dress attractively and ask for favours from men and then ask for favours dressed unattractively.

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:15PM

Onixx wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

Bit of an extreme to use as an argument no?

If by extreme you mean accurate and unbiased then yes.

Logical Fallacy · 10-06-2012 09:17PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

If by extreme you mean accurate and unbiased then yes.

But that can be applied to lots of stuff. Take the same woman and put her in a gay bar filled with gay dudes, then get the ugly one in there to ask.

I'd be interested in the results of that one.

Would the hot one get the money but the ugly one gets a make over?

Probably.

Madam_X · 10-06-2012 09:18PM

Well using an extreme to argue tends to indicate a flimsy argument

Why 20 stone? Few women are that obese so it's not exactly a fair hypothesis.

Sauve · 10-06-2012 09:18PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

If by extreme you mean accurate and unbiased then yes.

Do you honestly think that all men are that shallow and stupid?

AdventRises · 10-06-2012 09:19PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

But that can be applied to lots of stuff. .

not really.
Scanlas The 2nd point and your point are different.

Lyaiera · 10-06-2012 09:20PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Did I ever say looks are the only thing that matters to men looking for a girlfriend.

What is power? It's the ability to influence other people. Attractive women all things equal can influence men more than unatteactive women. Try an experiment, dress attractively and ask for favours from men and then ask for favours dressed unattractively.

You don't seem to get this and instead have thundered down the road Machiavelli paved so many years ago. Lots of people simply aren't playing the game you think you're playing. We're fortunate enough that for most people the basics in life are provided for. We don't have to get into silly willy waggling contests about who has more stuff or more influence or more power. We get on with life because you know what? Life is fcuking enjoyable without putting bullsh1t braggadocio over all our interactions. I'm not trying to extract anything from you, or influence you for anything, I'm simply trying to understand what makes you tick, and what will make me and you happy.

There's no tricks or cons or powerplays to this, it's basic humanity and honesty between two people who simply couldn't give a feck about should and shouldn't and can be happy with what they have and what they can get with each other.

Fizzlesque · 10-06-2012 09:21PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

You have a point with this example, but it works both ways. Get an attractive man, put him on a random street looking lost and confused and approaching women for assistance, and then put a sweaty, bug-eyed man in dirty, ill-fitting clothes doing the same thing, and see what happens.

Madam_X · 10-06-2012 09:22PM

AdventRises wrote: »

In regards to sex ... Yes.

'guys are the chasers, girls are the choosers" - reason why its a famous saying

Jaysus some folks here are mad for the simplistic labelling - no breaking things down for you guys!

Logical Fallacy · 10-06-2012 09:23PM

AdventRises wrote: »

not really.
Scanlas The 2nd point and your point are different.

I know that.

I am just not taking this thread very seriously, because it's an AH special.

It's a case by case thing, as nearly all social issues are...but I reckon if you read through the thread you'll have at least ten people ending posts with "FACT!" and then sticking to their guns about how right they are.

AdventRises · 10-06-2012 09:24PM

Onixx wrote: »

Jaysus some folks here are mad for the simplistic labelling - no breaking things down for you guys!

I hate that word 'labelling'

It gets thrown around too much. Especially in defense of things.

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:26PM

Sauve wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

If by extreme you mean accurate and unbiased then yes.

Do you honestly think that all men are that shallow and stupid?

I'm non judgemental about it. It's far from shallowness or stupidity, its deeply primordial instincts.

Pick 100 20, 25, 30, 35 year old women at random and get them to try the experiment.

Then do the same experiment with women who rate from 1 to 10 on attractives ( already determined by surveys) and perform the same experiment. I think somehow you might see a pattern in the results.

midlandsmissus · 10-06-2012 09:27PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'm non judgemental about it. It's far from shallowness or stupidity, its deeply primordial instincts.

Pick 100 20, 25, 30, 35 year old women at random and get them to try the experiment.

Then do the same experiment with women who rate from 1 to 10 on attractives ( already determined by surveys) and perform the same experiment. I think somehow you might see a pattern in the results.

Do you agree that it would be the same with the sexes reversed?

10-06-2012 09:28PM

Power in what I know beautiful women who attract less men than average girls who have more personality . Equally there are really average men who have bags of charm who pull the most amazing looking woman .

Looks maybe attract at the beginning but the personality wins out in the end irrespective of age ! Imo

Sauve · 10-06-2012 09:30PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'm non judgemental about it. It's far from shallowness or stupidity, its deeply primordial instincts.

Pick 100 20, 25, 30, 35 year old women at random and get them to try the experiment.

Then do the same experiment with women who rate from 1 to 10 on attractives ( already determined by surveys) and perform the same experiment. I think somehow you might see a pattern in the results.

I can see where you're coming from but I still disagree- plenty of men can and will over-ride that initial primordial reaction and make their decision based on more factors than instinct.

Madam_X · 10-06-2012 09:31PM

AdventRises wrote: »

I hate that word 'labelling'
It gets thrown around too much. Especially in defense of things.

All right so. Narrowing something complex down to a simplistic, convenient soundbite.

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:34PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Did I ever say looks are the only thing that matters to men looking for a girlfriend.

What is power? It's the ability to influence other people. Attractive women all things equal can influence men more than unatteactive women. Try an experiment, dress attractively and ask for favours from men and then ask for favours dressed unattractively.

You don't seem to get this and instead have thundered down the road Machiavelli paved so many years ago. Lots of people simply aren't playing the game you think you're playing. We're fortunate enough that for most people the basics in life are provided for. We don't have to get into silly willy waggling contests about who has more stuff or more influence or more power. We get on with life because you know what? Life is fcuking enjoyable without putting bullsh1t braggadocio over all our interactions. I'm not trying to extract anything from you, or influence you for anything, I'm simply trying to understand what makes you tick, and what will make me and you happy.

There's no tricks or cons or powerplays to this, it's basic humanity and honesty between two people who simply couldn't give a feck about should and shouldn't and can be happy with what they have and what they can get with each other.

The above is ridiculously misinterpreted.

People have varying amounts of influence over other people. Are you under the assumption everyone can influence exactly the same as everyone else. Influencing skills is part of normal social skills.

Who said anything about bravado.

I never said you are trying to extract anything from anyone. You're jumping to crazy assumptions.

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:36PM

Fizzlesque wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Put an attractive woman in a random street and have her ask ten men at random for a spare euro, then get a twenty stone woman to do the same. Are you saying they have an equal chance of getting the euro?

You have a point with this example, but it works both ways. Get an attractive man, put him on a random street looking lost and confused and approaching women for assistance, and then put a sweaty, bug-eyed man in dirty, ill-fitting clothes doing the same thing, and see what happens.

Yes, attractive members of the opposite se get more compliance all things equal. The more attractive a man is the more influence he has over women.

Fizzlesque · 10-06-2012 09:38PM

Lilian Panicky Truck wrote: »

Equally there are really average men who have bags of charm who pull the most amazing looking woman .

Looks maybe attract at the beginning but the personality wins out in the end irrespective of age ! Imo

I completely agree. Charm is an extremely powerful asset for the men who possess it. I've fallen for men whose appearance alone wouldn't have attracted me, but after spending some time talking to them (and being kissed by them) I've ended up thinking they were gorgeous. Equally, there have been men I've thought were gorgeous appearance-wise, but beyond that they've failed to keep my interest alive.

Another thing that affects my views on someone's attractiveness is dancing - as someone who loves to dance, to see a man who loves to dance happily dancing to a good tune is (for me) a truly beautiful sight.

Scanlas The 2nd · 10-06-2012 09:39PM

Sauve wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'm non judgemental about it. It's far from shallowness or stupidity, its deeply primordial instincts.

Pick 100 20, 25, 30, 35 year old women at random and get them to try the experiment.

Then do the same experiment with women who rate from 1 to 10 on attractives ( already determined by surveys) and perform the same experiment. I think somehow you might see a pattern in the results.

I can see where you're coming from but I still disagree- plenty of men can and will over-ride that initial primordial reaction and make their decision based on more factors than instinct.

So much of what we think we make decisions on is an illusion. In many cases are emotions and instincts dictate our choice then after the fact we imagine reasons why we made the choice to fit in with our self image. But of course men still make decisions on other factors.

Sauve · 10-06-2012 09:45PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

So much of what we think we make decisions on is an illusion. In many cases are emotions and instincts dictate our choice then after the fact we imagine reasons why we made the choice to fit in with our self image. But of course men still make decisions on other factors.

Ok, that makes a whole heap of sense actually. One to ponder over the next few days!

Doc Ruby · 10-06-2012 10:02PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

The above is ridiculously misinterpreted.

People have varying amounts of influence over other people. Are you under the assumption everyone can influence exactly the same as everyone else. Influencing skills is part of normal social skills.

Who said anything about bravado.

I never said you are trying to extract anything from anyone. You're jumping to crazy assumptions.

You seem to be wandering all over the place here. If you want to play power games, you need to find someone who will buy into that, or find someone who doesn't realise what's going on temporarily, these often turn into abusive relationships. Either way its an adversarial approach, and I've no idea how someone could ever find bare contentment with that, let alone happiness with a partner, unless they got their kicks from dominance or something. And some people do. But its a bad way to go about life.

On the social scene, the dating scene, if you're asking questions about power and influence, you're right back into the situation described above - such questions only make sense at all if you don't really understand human relationships, and are neglecting the most important aspect, what goes on inside. Its a round plug into a square hole for most people.

The hottest woman in the world becomes undesireable if shes a sourpuss diva, same goes for men. She might get your pocket change as in your example above, but that doesn't matter. This whole "obedience to instincts" thing is barely the tip of the iceberg.

Gummy Panda · 10-06-2012 10:05PM

Mental note: Come on to 30+ year old women as I'll have the power.

/Goes to Cougars

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