Unpopular Opinions.

mikemac1 · 06-06-2012 01:50AM

€154 or whatever it is for two TV stations, countless radio stations, a couple of orchestras and more is good value

Comparing to the BBC is pretty ridiculous, their budget is just colossal to what RTÉ have

And RTÉ coverage of soccer is immensely better then BBC or ITV as just one example

JimmyCrackCorn · 06-06-2012 01:56AM

I don't like taytos.

southcentralts · 06-06-2012 01:58AM

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

I don't like taytos.

Burn the witch!

Father Damo · 06-06-2012 01:58AM

The Wire is poorly written overrated rubbish. I normally love this type of tv show but the dialogue and cliched stock characters are atrocious tbh. I mean really

Nearly 5 minutes long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sNZ7ulO1RQ

That is not good writing. That is lazy, pure and simple.

mikemac1 · 06-06-2012 02:05AM

The writers were experienced, this wasn't their first series

They already had Homicide;Life on the Street and The Corner and others

Did you read the top comment for the youtube article

The writers wrote this scene after they had read reviews by critics disliked the level of cursing and suggested it was not necessary for the plot or character arc.
David Simon (the creator of the wire) and his writing team have and decades worth of experience working alongside police that they thought the characters should be as realistic as possible and didn't want tone down the language for TV.
So, this scene is just one big **** YOU to the critics who can't watch grown up TV (CSI fans).

That scence wasn't trying to be Aaron Sorkin with razor sharp dialogue, they knew what they were doing

Father Damo · 06-06-2012 02:14AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

The writers were experienced, this wasn't their first series

They already had Homicide;Life on the Street and The Corner and others

But that just adds to my point. Though it was only 6 odd episodes The Corner is one of the best tv shows ever made. The Wire, in comparison, is brutal. FFS there is one scene I recall where the young drug dealers spend two minutes talking about who invented McDonalds chicken nuggets and seem to believe Ronald McDonald is a real person, and thagt the person who invented the nugget still works in the McDonalds kitchen.

Now, I know this show can be preachy, so part of it is probably to make some preachy point about how bad the education system in the hood can be....sorry, but if you have the brain capacity to bulk buy drugs, measure them into deals and re sell them for profit, and count said profits, you are not going to be thick enough to think Ronald McDonald is real. Too many cliches, too many stock characters, I just cant rate it at all. And I cant fathom how anyone could equal it to The Corner.

kieranfitz · 06-06-2012 02:52AM

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

I don't like taytos.

Stone the blasphemer.

Pherekydes · 06-06-2012 07:50AM

People still don't know the difference between an opinion and a preference.

flutterflye · 06-06-2012 08:39AM

studdlymurphy wrote: »

ADD is a makey uppy disorder and yet some people on social welfare get extra payments because of it.

I read this last night, and I had to shut the computer down because I got so annoyed!
I have add and my son has adhd.
I'm not going to get into the hows and whys etc...
But it's real, m'kay?!

cloptrop · 06-06-2012 09:23AM

You honestly shut your computer down because you read something you didnt agree with . You shouldtry the sickipedia website , youd slam the hinges off your laptop.

IrishAm · 06-06-2012 09:30AM

Father Damo wrote: »

The Wire is poorly written overrated rubbish. I normally love this type of tv show but the dialogue and cliched stock characters are atrocious tbh. I mean really.

How can you not love Omar?

Himself, Slim, Wee Bay and Bodie are some of the best characters ever.

flutterflye · 06-06-2012 09:31AM

cloptrop wrote: »

You honestly shut your computer down because you read something you didnt agree with . You shouldtry the sickipedia website , youd slam the hinges off your laptop.

That, and I was very tired!

If I read something I really don't agree with, I get very http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/duty_calls.png
So I did the sensible thing, and turned it off!

Ah there are loads of things I don't agree with, but some things hit a nerve, as they do with everyone.
Sometimes it's better to walk away.

IrishAm · 06-06-2012 09:35AM

Love Slim.

"Who we hittin'?"

pickarooney · 06-06-2012 11:07AM

flutterflye wrote: »

That, and I was very tired!
If I read something I really don't agree with, I get very http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/duty_calls.png

So completely the opposite of the common perception of ADHD :pac:

flutterflye · 06-06-2012 11:11AM

pickarooney wrote: »

So completely the opposite of the common perception of ADHD :pac:

No not really.
Maybe though?
I don't really get what you mean.
Do you mean the lack of focus?
If so, then all add/adhd people are able to hyperfocus on certain things, usually things that really interest them.
The thing with me though (and I'd say most people with add), I'll get really into a debate or something for maybe 20 mins.
Then I'll just get bored.
Then people think they've 'won' because I've stopped replying - that's not it - I just can't be arsed anymore.

Father Damo · 06-06-2012 11:30AM

IrishAm wrote: »

How can you not love Omar?

Himself, Slim, Wee Bay and Bodie are some of the best characters ever.

I tried my hardest, despite being bored off my hole I managed to sit through the first 5 or 6 episodes of appaling script and stock characters before deciding all the worlds tv critics, Barck Obama, and general popular opinion are plain wrong, and this stuff is actually crap(alcoholic womanising cop with a fraught family situation- jesus, really. There were too many of them in popular culture by 20 years ago). The acting isnt all bad or anything- the guy who plays Bodie was pretty good in Oz, for example. But I just find an awful lot of it either boring, pretentious or downright cheesey, lazy writing. Especially seeing as they were capable of writing something of the quality of The Corner.

One has to also remember that the tv show Glee is critically acclaimed. Which basically means tv critics are all gobsh1tes.

Itwasntme. · 06-06-2012 11:31AM

FulhamIreland wrote: »

Rubberbandits are rubbish!

Maybe but you have to give them marks for effort. I personally find them entertaining. Sometimes, they are so bad I can't help but watch till the end.

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

I don't like taytos.

I had to google taytos. They are crisps!! You're all in a huff and a puff over crisps?!

Mardy Bum · 06-06-2012 11:50AM

Father Damo wrote: »

I tried my hardest, despite being bored off my hole I managed to sit through the first 5 or 6 episodes of appaling script and stock characters before deciding all the worlds tv critics, Barck Obama, and general popular opinion are plain wrong, and this stuff is actually crap(alcoholic womanising cop with a fraught family situation- jesus, really. There were too many of them in popular culture by 20 years ago). The acting isnt all bad or anything- the guy who plays Bodie was pretty good in Oz, for example. But I just find an awful lot of it either boring, pretentious or downright cheesey, lazy writing. Especially seeing as they were capable of writing something of the quality of The Corner.

One has to also remember that the tv show Glee is critically acclaimed. Which basically means tv critics are all gobsh1tes.

The difference is The Wire is academically acclaimed and studied in places like Harvard. Its a masterpiece. It seems a lot of it has gone right over your head. The Corner was easy to follow because of the documentary style filming and limited story arc, The Wire on the otherhand takes patience and some level of intellectual interaction unlike most other shows. It is best described as a Greek tragedy with the institutions being the gods and bureaucracy of theses institutions running peoples lives. Simon went above and beyond what TV had thought possible and incorporated more illusions to Shakespeare, Sophocles, and modern American literature than ever before in a TV show, a medium for the masses.

Oz is an excellent show but it is no where near the same level of excellence as The Wire. The Corner is also excellent but is a much simpler show with very little going on underneath.

Father Damo · 06-06-2012 11:56AM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The difference is The Wire is academically acclaimed and studied in places like Harvard. Its a masterpiece. It seems a lot of it has gone right over your head. The Corner was easy to follow because of the documentary style filming and limited story arc, The Wire on the otherhand takes patience and some level of intellectual interaction unlike most other shows. It is best described as a Greek tragedy with the institutions being the gods and bureaucracy of theses institutions running peoples lives. Simon went above and beyond what TV had thought possible and incorporated more illusions to Shakespeare, Sophocles, and modern American literature than ever before in a TV show, a medium for the masses.
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Pretentious nonsense. All of it. College courses? Please. There are college courses available in the study of Tupac lyrics, even though lyrically speaking he was not the greatest or most socially conscious lyricist of his era, yet was the best selling and most critically acclaimed of said era. IMO there are certain aspects of pop culture where there is a snobbish pretentious attitude with the whole thing. The ending of The Sopranos, for example. It is fashionable to claim the fade to black ending was brilliant. To say that Tony was killed, but it was better to be done out of sight. Again- pretentious crap, seeing as Tony being killed would have come from absoloutely out of nowhere and completely unrelated to the preceding plot 9with his own crew decimated and having made peace with NY, plot wise he was in no major danger of being killed by anyone). The theory that the writers were too lazy to do a proper ending and fancied leaving the option open to milk a few more quid out of the franchise 10 years diwn the line seems lost on most people.

You have completely avoided the two main points I made and all- stock characters and tedious dialogue. People who are smart enough to bulk buy, weigh, cut and profitably sell drugs and evade detection, but who also think Ronald McDonald is real and the nugget inventor still works in the kitchen.....I think it was at that point I really started to question what the **** I was watching. Lazy lazy writing.

Mardy Bum · 06-06-2012 12:04PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Pretentious nonsense. All of it. College courses? Please. There are college courses available in the study of Tupac lyrics, even though lyrically speaking he was not the greatest or most socially conscious lyricist of his era. IMO there are certain aspects of pop culture where there is a snobbish pretentious attitude with the whole thing. The ending of The Sopranos, for example. It is fashionable to claim the fade to black ending was brilliant. To say that Tony was killed, but it was better to be done out of sight. Again- pretentious crap, seeing as Tony being killed would have been absoloutely out of nowhere and completely unrelated to the plot.

You have completely avoided the two main points I made and all- stock characters and tedious dialogue.

You seem to dismiss anything remotely intellectual as pretentious. I take it you have not seen Waiting for Godot or Endgame because your pretentious meter would explode. You can study Tupac as a course in Harvard now?
The dialogue is astounding akin to modern day Shakespeare in parts. The use of colloquialism that are unexplained throughout is something very new to TV and more often seen on the stage.
There are traits of some of the characters that may be considered stock similar to traits in Leopold Bloom and Molly Bloom that may be considered stock however both bring new dimensions to characterisation. Simon confronted the stereotypical 21st century gay image in Omar and completely turned it on its head. All the characters are very distinguishable which is a credit because of the amount of them in total.

This is unpopular opinions so I will leave it at that.

Real Life · 06-06-2012 12:17PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Pretentious nonsense. All of it. College courses? Please. There are college courses available in the study of Tupac lyrics, even though lyrically speaking he was not the greatest or most socially conscious lyricist of his era, yet was the best selling and most critically acclaimed of said era. IMO there are certain aspects of pop culture where there is a snobbish pretentious attitude with the whole thing. The ending of The Sopranos, for example. It is fashionable to claim the fade to black ending was brilliant. To say that Tony was killed, but it was better to be done out of sight. Again- pretentious crap, seeing as Tony being killed would have come from absoloutely out of nowhere and completely unrelated to the preceding plot 9with his own crew decimated and having made peace with NY, plot wise he was in no major danger of being killed by anyone). The theory that the writers were too lazy to do a proper ending and fancied leaving the option open to milk a few more quid out of the franchise 10 years diwn the line seems lost on most people.

You have completely avoided the two main points I made and all- stock characters and tedious dialogue. People who are smart enough to bulk buy, weigh, cut and profitably sell drugs and evade detection, but who also think Ronald McDonald is real and the nugget inventor still works in the kitchen.....I think it was at that point I really started to question what the **** I was watching. Lazy lazy writing.

you have the sopranos ending all wrong.
theres a good reason the screen goes to black. If you watch the scene closely you will see. the camera keeps going from tonys perspective looking up when someone walks in the door to looking at tony. when meadow walks in the door the next shot should be through tonys eyes looking up at her but it goes black because he sees nothing hes been killed.

cocoshovel · 06-06-2012 12:26PM

Nearly every single movie made in the past 5 years is overhyped ADD hollywood slackjawed and nothing but shítty jokes and explosions bullshít!

Grimebox · 06-06-2012 12:38PM

cocoshovel wrote: »

Nearly every single movie made in the past 5 years is overhyped ADD hollywood slackjawed and nothing but shítty jokes and explosions bullshít!

Anything that came out of hollywood anyway

Father Damo · 06-06-2012 01:23PM

Real Life wrote: »

you have the sopranos ending all wrong.
theres a good reason the screen goes to black. If you watch the scene closely you will see. the camera keeps going from tonys perspective looking up when someone walks in the door to looking at tony. when meadow walks in the door the next shot should be through tonys eyes looking up at her but it goes black because he sees nothing hes been killed.

Having made peace with New York and no current internal power struggle in his own family, who the hell is behind this murder? Who, seeing as Tony would have been under constant FBI surveillance due to the recent war with New York, would shoot him in a packed diner when there are likely armed feds sitting outside? None of it makes the remotest bit of sense.

Lazy, lazy cop out of an ending.

pickarooney · 06-06-2012 03:17PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The difference is The Wire is academically acclaimed and studied in places like Harvard. Its a masterpiece. It seems a lot of it has gone right over your head. The Corner was easy to follow because of the documentary style filming and limited story arc, The Wire on the otherhand takes patience and some level of intellectual interaction unlike most other shows. It is best described as a Greek tragedy with the institutions being the gods and bureaucracy of theses institutions running peoples lives. Simon went above and beyond what TV had thought possible and incorporated more illusions to Shakespeare, Sophocles, and modern American literature than ever before in a TV show, a medium for the masses.

Oz is an excellent show but it is no where near the same level of excellence as The Wire. The Corner is also excellent but is a much simpler show with very little going on underneath.

This kind of guff (and it's bizarrely always the same, copy and pasted comments about books, chapters, Greek tragedies and the like that get trotted out) convinces nobody, particularly anyone who has watched the series and actually formed his/her own opinion. Bit of a Freudian slip there too, I think.

Mardy Bum · 06-06-2012 05:57PM

pickarooney wrote: »

This kind of guff (and it's bizarrely always the same, copy and pasted comments about books, chapters, Greek tragedies and the like that get trotted out) convinces nobody, particularly anyone who has watched the series and actually formed his/her own opinion. Bit of a Freudian slip there too, I think.

No not particularly, I used allusions (not a freudian slip but a mistake) but could have easily have used "references". I can understand somebody having an opinion on it however an informed academic critical view of it is completely different. In terms of what the show has accomplished no tv show has came close.

coonecb1 · 06-06-2012 07:45PM

Yep, my unpopular opinion is that I loved the Wire as well.

I do suspect a lot of people say they love the Wire in order to feel intellectually superior.

I completely understand why people wouldn't like it though. It's not instantly entertaining, and I can honestly say it took me until halfway through the 3rd series before I began to recognise the intricate web of characters they built up. From that point on it's an absolute treasure to watch.

(Provided you use Wikipedia to fill you in on what's you missed!)

06-06-2012 08:12PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

No not particularly, I used illusions but could have easily have used "references". I can understand somebody having an opinion on it however an informed academic critical view of it is completely different. In terms of what the show has accomplished no tv show has came close.

He meant that you were trying to say allusions, not illusions

edit: i'm not correcting, i'm clarifying pick's post...

Gummy Panda · 06-06-2012 08:34PM

coonecb1 wrote: »

Yep, my unpopular opinion is that I loved the Wire as well.

I do suspect a lot of people say they love the Wire in order to feel intellectually superior.

I completely understand why people wouldn't like it though. It's not instantly entertaining, and I can honestly say it took me until halfway through the 3rd series before I began to recognise the intricate web of characters they built up. From that point on it's an absolute treasure to watch.

(Provided you use Wikipedia to fill you in on what's you missed!)

Anyone who doesn't like The Wire is a bushmills drinking protestant!!

coonecb1 · 06-06-2012 08:55PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't like The Wire is a bushmills drinking protestant!!

Ain't nothing wrong with Bushmills drinking protestants!

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