E3 Discussion

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I'm not saying that Mario as a character hasn't been overused in some cases, but do you honestly think Super Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario (which, we have to remember, is a JPRG with some platformer / adventure game elements) and New Super Mario Bros. are in anyway similar bar the presence of the main character and other various franchise references There's not a single franchise out there that continually justifies its existence by releasing creatively varied and ambitious titles.

To me, that's kind of like saying System Shock 2, Call of Duty: MW and Bulletstorm are all pretty similar.

No, as in they're platform games, or games with heavy amounts of platforming. If you don't like that genre of games, what do Nintendo have. Microsoft, despite a lot of FPS's, and Sony have more of a variety in regards to genres than Nintendo. Nintendo are pretty much the king of platform games, but tbh anything else they do is basically some other form of game involving Mario e.g Mario Kart etc

I own a Wii, and tbh, the amount of use its got is tiny in comparison to the Xbox and PC. There are Mario games,which I'm bored with tbh, Zelda which when I was playing Twilight Princess, I felt like I was playing a game I played before and then stuff like Pikmin or Starfox.

Kirby wrote: »

Ah here. Not having that now. Mario kart isn't platforming. Nor is mario party. Nor is pikmin. Nor is starfox. Nor is Metroid. Nor is Zelda.

Thats the point. They have good IP's and the only one available near launch is pikmin. To me, thats hugely disappointing.

I never said Mario Kart. It's one of the very few Nintendo games I regularly enjoy playing.

Also, that's not what I said either really. I was saying that there's Mario games, which tend to be primarily platformers, and then their other stuff are the likes of Zelda, which I said I played and felt like I was playing the same game again, and then then stuff like Pikmin and Starfox, which I've enjoyed. Metroid is different alright.

I just realised the problem with the big 3 conferences. They actually had interesting content, just badly presented with too much padding

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Well you should try many of the other ones I've mentioned. Not all of them are brilliant, but the vast majority are original, interesting and enjoyable. Every bit as varied as the 360 and PS3 have to offer. More so, I'd propose.

Sin & Punishment 2 and Zack and Wiki alone are worth the console price, really, and all the amazing first party stuff and fascinating third party games sweeten the deal.

Again, the problem is that the best games on every single system (and this applies to PS3 and 360 as well) are rarely the ones given prominence at E3 or gamestop shelves. Nintendo know their Mario games will sell, and in 90% of cases still go out and ensure they're amazing games in their own right. But to suggest that's all the Wii has to offer is an incorrect observation.

I suppose I should have said earlier that it's not just the difference in genre, it's the difference in art style, tone etc. None of the big Nintendo franchises, that pretty much sell the system to people are incredibly different imo. Especially when a lot of them are rehashes and sequels of games in the past. Like, I have a Wii, if Nintendo try and sell the WiiU with a new Zelda, a new Super Mario Brothers, Mario Kart etc, I can play those games on the Wii, and whilst there might be some changes, I can't see myself buying a new console for that. I doubt I'm the only one who feels Marioed out just through the sheer amount of times the character appears

In comparison, whilst Microsoft and Sony do that aswell, at least there's more of a variety e.g Sony's big franchises being God of War, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and MGS. They're all incredibly different, and then you can add in the likes of Heavy Rain, Killzone,Infamous etc. Like, I mean, I'd never buy something like God of War or Killzone, but I know I can get something like Uncharted or Heavy Rain which cater more for me. I don't actually own a PS3, since I bought an Xbox originally when Mass Effect was exclusive to it.

Oh, and to add. It's grand bringing out a new console, but you better bring new games with it. If Nintendo really went for it, and launched the WiiU with a new Super Mario Bros, a new Zelda, a new Metroid, a new Pikmin etc, I still wouldn't buy it. I've played those games, give me something new and different, that I haven't played. Some sort of different controller isn't enough

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MYPmbgrI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPJumJ7mkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cN1MLn6A9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK4gKc9OuTk

Pretty sure there are far more significant tonal and art style differences in the four titles above than any of the PS3 ones you've mentioned!

Imo, none of those are system sellers. Also Dead Space Extraction is on the PS3.

Like, I'm talking specifically about what the games that are pushed as you must buy our console cos this game is on it e.g Mario, Zelda, Halo, MGS etc.

titan18 wrote: »

Imo, none of those are system sellers. Also Dead Space Extraction is on the PS3.

Like, I'm talking specifically about what the games that are pushed as you must buy our console cos this game is on it e.g Mario, Zelda, Halo, MGS etc.

This is what made me buy a PS3 anyways.

GTR63 wrote: »

So you want a Nintendo console without a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or Pikmin at launch worked well for the 3DS that.

Why not? Nintendo are clearly talented game developers, can they not create a new character and franchise rather than continually rehashing their old ones

Actually looking back at games coming out at launch/launch window, it's not as bad as originally thought:
Lego City
ZombiU
Rayman Legends
NSMBU
Pikmin 3
Project P-100(though debatable about release)
Marvel Avengers
Scribblenauts