Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

christmas2012 · 26-05-2012 12:43PM

what should be done to tax the rich we should make it illegal to tax dodge

paddyandy · 26-05-2012 12:48PM

United Ireland .....What is that about ????? Unity is not an Irish trait .Big Kite for simple folk . Oh Well Hello Mary Lou ! goodbye heart.... and everything else too .

Ms.M · 26-05-2012 12:53PM

I was watching a documentary on Sinn Féin years ago. It was probably when they started canvassing for election in the South.
I laughed when Gerry Adams told a canvasser to just use "broad brush strokes" when going door to door. Anyone else remember it? Weirdly he was lying across a picnic bench on his back at the time. They definitely don't seem to credit their supporters with much intelligence.

Battered Mars Bar · 26-05-2012 12:55PM

Ms.M wrote: »

I was watching a documentary on Sinn Féin years ago. It was probably when they started canvassing for election in the South.
I laughed when Gerry Adams told a canvasser to just use "broad brush strokes" when going door to door. Anyone else remember it? Weirdly he was lying across a picnic bench on his back at the time. They definitely don't seem to credit their supporters with much intelligience.

Yes lets keep living in the past where random forgotten documentaries are so significant in todays world. :rolleyes:

Mallei · 26-05-2012 12:59PM

Wibbs wrote: »

On what planet? How much money does the UK government plough into the north on a daily basis? I'll give you a hint it's in the many millions. Where pray tell would we find the money to do similar?

We wouldn't need to. The UK government spend an absolute fortune on the six counties because they are trying to fix (or, more accurately, cover up) a mess that they created. Occupied people don't tend to be productive and happy; thus they cost money. If they were "permitted" to actually, you know, be free and join the rest of Ireland, I guarantee it would cost a lot less. Because they'd be Irish citizens living in Ireland. Ireland cost the English money when they ruled the whole island, too, but it somehow managed to exist independently when we won our freedom.

To put it another way, if we went and conquered a part of France and then brutally subjugated the natives and removed their freedoms over hundreds of years, it'd probably cost us a load of money keeping the local French populace in order under a flag they despise.

Wibbs wrote: »

This of course ignores the slightly troublesome issue of a good chunk of the locals not being exactly gung ho about joining with our republic.

Well it doesn't seem to bother Britain that a "good chunk" despise the English and want to be Irish, why should it bother us about the reverse? Particularly when it's our land, they are the foreign invaders, and more to the point those who want to be Irish are not only in the right but also in the majority. If there were those who opposed unification left in there when we finally made Ireland whole, well, it's not hard to move across the sea and live in England (or Scotland) since that's what they so desperately want.

Wibbs wrote: »

Rot? Seriously? Good god the hyperbole and frankly nonsense of that sentence would take some beating. You do realise that things have moved forward since the 1960's?

Have they? I'm going to assume here that you've never been to the six counties, don't know anyone from the six counties, or simply live with your head in the sand pretending that everything's wonderful up there. There are many, many, many Irish living in the north who have to put up with crap every single day. How would you feel if you woke up every morning feeling Irish but being told that your land was English, being forced to listen to that funeral dirge of a national anthem and using money with the queen's fcuking face on it? The violence might have toned down but the desire to be part of a united Ireland is stronger than ever.

Regardless, debating unification is not the point of this thread. So, back on-topic:

Wibbs wrote: »

It's got noting to do with worship. In any event SF's idea of "rich" seems to vary. Their taxes would hit the actual working man and woman of this country and hit them hard.

Of course it's do with worship. I don't mean they get down on their knees and pray to the rich as if they're gods, but this blind belief that they can't do any wrong (or, if they do something wrong - like this recession - the fact that they never get brought to justice) means that the current situation is the rich can do whatever they like, and get away with it because "sure, we might drive them out of the country!". Since them being in the country had brought Ireland to its knees, I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing anyway.

Wibbs wrote: »

Too often the thinking behind too many SF supporters comes down to the Britz!!/I dunno much about their policies, but shure wouldn't a change be nice?/I think this is what they stand for, but I don't actually know so I'll project what I think they stand for/They're against the current crowd/they're for the "working man". Delete as applicable. Given we talk endlessly about politics in this country, it's quite amazing how so many are so uninformed on the subject. Doubly amazing when they ally themselves to a particular party. SF supporters are among the most guilty of this IME.

Oh look, another anti-SF poster spouting rhetorical nonsense in an effort to discredit the fastest growing party in Irish politics. Face it, Wibbs, you will be under a Sinn Fein government within the next ten years. I hope you keep a slice of humble pie in the fridge.

forfuxsake · 26-05-2012 01:02PM

Ms.M wrote: »

I was watching a documentary on Sinn Féin years ago. It was probably when they started canvassing for election in the South.
I laughed when Gerry Adams told a canvasser to just use "broad brush strokes" when going door to door. Anyone else remember it? Weirdly he was lying across a picnic bench on his back at the time. They definitely don't seem to credit their supporters with much intelligience.

Irony defined.

Azure_sky · 26-05-2012 01:03PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

You forgot to mention Jerry McCabe and Jean McConville, slipping up there.

I object to the things you mention, just because someone supports SF it doesn't mean that they support those things.

Exactly. The first President of Fine Gael was General Eoin O' Duffy. He was a facist, racist, anti-semite who supported Hitler. So by the logic of some people on this forum anyone who supports Fine Gael are Nazis, racists and anti-semites.

Fenian Army · 26-05-2012 01:16PM

Ms.M wrote: »

I was watching a documentary on Sinn Féin years ago. It was probably when they started canvassing for election in the South.
I laughed when Gerry Adams told a canvasser to just use "broad brush strokes" when going door to door. Anyone else remember it? Weirdly he was lying across a picnic bench on his back at the time. They definitely don't seem to credit their supporters with much intelligience.

Its mad how some people reach (wrong) conclusions. Just plain mad.

mattjack · 26-05-2012 01:18PM

Have they? I'm going to assume here that you've never been to the six counties, don't know anyone from the six counties, or simply live with your head in the sand pretending that everything's wonderful up there. There are many, many, many Irish living in the north who have to put up with crap every single day. How would you feel if you woke up every morning feeling Irish but being told that your land was English, being forced to listen to that funeral dirge of a national anthem and using money with the queen's fcuking face on it? The violence might have toned down but the desire to be part of a united Ireland is stronger than ever.

This paragraph is comedy gold.

I've worked in the North recently,have friends from up there,even have a friend in the PSNI, regularly go up and stay there... I don't even notice the money or the National Anthem.I'm debating looking for a particular job up there too...

K-9 · 26-05-2012 01:34PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

what should be done to tax the rich we should make it illegal to tax dodge

Well measures were brought in to limit tax breaks and stop the practice of high earners paying little or no tax. More should be done but some of these figures SF are chatting about seem very optimistic to me. They want the services of a social democracy but also reduce taxes, doesn't add up to me!

Ms.M · 26-05-2012 01:47PM

forfuxsake wrote: »

Irony defined.

I don't think misspelling a word makes you less intelligent.

I don't think voting for Sinn Féin makes you less intelligent either.

However, I do think pulling people up on their spelling/grammar on on-line forums makes you ____________________?

I'm not reaching mad conclusions FA, I'm a potential voter and I would like some detail on Sinn Féin policies. They don't have any. They don't feel the need to answer tough questions. They don't credit people with intelligence. I find them condescending.

Fenian Army · 26-05-2012 01:57PM

Its rather revealing how the media and other snobs almost exclusively target "social welfare fraud", "dole scroungers" etc when the lost funds through that are minuscule when compared to tax dodgers... Maybe it has something to do with tax exiles owning most of the countries media...

Where To · 26-05-2012 01:58PM

Mallei wrote: »

Wibbs wrote: »

On what planet? How much money does the UK government plough into the north on a daily basis? I'll give you a hint it's in the many millions. Where pray tell would we find the money to do similar?

We wouldn't need to. The UK government spend an absolute fortune on the six counties because they are trying to fix (or, more accurately, cover up) a mess that they created. Occupied people don't tend to be productive and happy; thus they cost money. If they were "permitted" to actually, you know, be free and join the rest of Ireland, I guarantee it would cost a lot less. Because they'd be Irish citizens living in Ireland. Ireland cost the English money when they ruled the whole island, too, but it somehow managed to exist independently when we won our freedom.

To put it another way, if we went and conquered a part of France and then brutally subjugated the natives and removed their freedoms over hundreds of years, it'd probably cost us a load of money keeping the local French populace in order under a flag they despise.

Wibbs wrote: »

This of course ignores the slightly troublesome issue of a good chunk of the locals not being exactly gung ho about joining with our republic.

Well it doesn't seem to bother Britain that a "good chunk" despise the English and want to be Irish, why should it bother us about the reverse? Particularly when it's our land, they are the foreign invaders, and more to the point those who want to be Irish are not only in the right but also in the majority. If there were those who opposed unification left in there when we finally made Ireland whole, well, it's not hard to move across the sea and live in England (or Scotland) since that's what they so desperately want.

Wibbs wrote: »

Rot? Seriously? Good god the hyperbole and frankly nonsense of that sentence would take some beating. You do realise that things have moved forward since the 1960's?

Have they? I'm going to assume here that you've never been to the six counties, don't know anyone from the six counties, or simply live with your head in the sand pretending that everything's wonderful up there. There are many, many, many Irish living in the north who have to put up with crap every single day. How would you feel if you woke up every morning feeling Irish but being told that your land was English, being forced to listen to that funeral dirge of a national anthem and using money with the queen's fcuking face on it? The violence might have toned down but the desire to be part of a united Ireland is stronger than ever.

Regardless, debating unification is not the point of this thread. So, back on-topic:

Wibbs wrote: »

It's got noting to do with worship. In any event SF's idea of "rich" seems to vary. Their taxes would hit the actual working man and woman of this country and hit them hard.

Of course it's do with worship. I don't mean they get down on their knees and pray to the rich as if they're gods, but this blind belief that they can't do any wrong (or, if they do something wrong - like this recession - the fact that they never get brought to justice) means that the current situation is the rich can do whatever they like, and get away with it because "sure, we might drive them out of the country!". Since them being in the country had brought Ireland to its knees, I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing anyway.

Wibbs wrote: »

Too often the thinking behind too many SF supporters comes down to the Britz!!/I dunno much about their policies, but shure wouldn't a change be nice?/I think this is what they stand for, but I don't actually know so I'll project what I think they stand for/They're against the current crowd/they're for the "working man". Delete as applicable. Given we talk endlessly about politics in this country, it's quite amazing how so many are so uninformed on the subject. Doubly amazing when they ally themselves to a particular party. SF supporters are among the most guilty of this IME.

Oh look, another anti-SF poster spouting rhetorical nonsense in an effort to discredit the fastest growing party in Irish politics. Face it, Wibbs, you will be under a Sinn Fein government within the next ten years. I hope you keep a slice of humble pie in the fridge.

Is that you Robert Mugabe?

Mallei · 26-05-2012 02:25PM

mattjack wrote: »

This paragraph is comedy gold.

I've worked in the North recently,have friends from up there,even have a friend in the PSNI, regularly go up and stay there... I don't even notice the money or the National Anthem.I'm debating looking for a particular job up there too...

Another example of a coddled Irishman who has grown up in peacetime and just doesn't get it.

I'm sure that, as someone who has grown up in free Ireland, the national anthem or the money don't bother you, the same way the Irish living in London or Australia aren't bothered by the fact that they use money with the queen's face on it. They grew up using Irish money on Irish land, but are happy enough to accept that when they go "abroad" they use the money local to that country. Fine.

You probably therefore consider Northern Ireland a separate country and are therefore perfectly accepting of the differences owing to its "Britishness". That being the case, you're not bothered by them.

But for the Irish up there it's different. They know they're Irish, and that their land is Irish, yet they're constantly being told that not only is their land English, but they are forced to live with English customs and money. It's not the same; you're an outsider looking in, they live there.

I know an American who lives in Dublin. He's proudly American, but is obviously not bothered by using Irish money or seeing the Irish flag; he's in Ireland, for goodness' sake. But if he went home to Minnesota and suddenly found out that it was now occupied by the Irish, complete with the Irish flag and Amhrán na bhFiann, he'd be bothered.

mattjack · 26-05-2012 03:09PM

Mallei wrote: »

Another example of a coddled Irishman who has grown up in peacetime and just doesn't get it.

I'm sure that, as someone who has grown up in free Ireland, the national anthem or the money don't bother you, the same way the Irish living in London or Australia aren't bothered by the fact that they use money with the queen's face on it. They grew up using Irish money on Irish land, but are happy enough to accept that when they go "abroad" they use the money local to that country. Fine.

You probably therefore consider Northern Ireland a separate country and are therefore perfectly accepting of the differences owing to its "Britishness". That being the case, you're not bothered by them.

But for the Irish up there it's different. They know they're Irish, and that their land is Irish, yet they're constantly being told that not only is their land English, but they are forced to live with English customs and money. It's not the same; you're an outsider looking in, they live there.

I know an American who lives in Dublin. He's proudly American, but is obviously not bothered by using Irish money or seeing the Irish flag; he's in Ireland, for goodness' sake. But if he went home to Minnesota and suddenly found out that it was now occupied by the Irish, complete with the Irish flag and Amhrán na bhFiann, he'd be bothered.

I born in 1970 , I've been at funerals of people from both sides of the community in Nothern Ireland who died in terrorist incidents.

Are you under the illusion that the Republic of Ireland could actually support the population of Northern Ireland ? We cant even manage with what we have already.

donegal_road · 26-05-2012 03:18PM

Mallei wrote: »

Another example of a coddled Irishman who has grown up in peacetime and just doesn't get it.

I'm sure that, as someone who has grown up in free Ireland, the national anthem or the money don't bother you, the same way the Irish living in London or Australia aren't bothered by the fact that they use money with the queen's face on it. They grew up using Irish money on Irish land, but are happy enough to accept that when they go "abroad" they use the money local to that country. Fine.

You probably therefore consider Northern Ireland a separate country and are therefore perfectly accepting of the differences owing to its "Britishness". That being the case, you're not bothered by them.

But for the Irish up there it's different. They know they're Irish, and that their land is Irish, yet they're constantly being told that not only is their land English, but they are forced to live with English customs and money. It's not the same; you're an outsider looking in, they live there.

I know an American who lives in Dublin. He's proudly American, but is obviously not bothered by using Irish money or seeing the Irish flag; he's in Ireland, for goodness' sake. But if he went home to Minnesota and suddenly found out that it was now occupied by the Irish, complete with the Irish flag and Amhrán na bhFiann, he'd be bothered.

a similar situation to Quebec, the Quebec people have passionatley held on to their language and customs. Although they use the Canadian dollar with the queens head their sense of nationalism is not Canadian, it is Québécois or Francophone. The Bloc Québécois party and the Parti Québécois advocate for the secession of Quebec from Canada and its independence.

Crooked Jack · 26-05-2012 03:27PM

Kathnora wrote: »

Read post 338. Sorry.......but a leopard doesn't change its spots.

Well, maybe you should start acting more like a man and less like a leopard.

mattjack · 26-05-2012 03:37PM

donegal_road wrote: »

a similar situation to Quebec, the Quebec people have passionatley held on to their language and customs. Although they use the Canadian dollar with the queens head their sense of nationalism is not Canadian, it is Québécois or Francophone. The Bloc Québécois party and the Parti Québécois advocate for the secession of Quebec from Canada and its independence.

Quebec is looking for independence from Canada , whereas Mallei is suggesting that Northern Ireland become part of the Republic of Ireland.

Fenian Army · 26-05-2012 03:45PM

mattjack wrote: »

Quebec is looking for independence from Canada , whereas Mallei is suggesting that Northern Ireland become part of the Republic of Ireland.

When the north inevitably breaks the link with John Bull it wont be "joining" the ROI. It will be the foundation of an entirely new state.

mattjack · 26-05-2012 03:59PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

When the north inevitably breaks the link with John Bull it wont be "joining" the ROI. It will be the foundation of an entirely new state.

This will be if and when the majority of the electorate agree to it.

forfuxsake · 26-05-2012 04:01PM

Ms.M wrote: »

I don't think misspelling a word makes you less intelligent.

I don't think voting for Sinn Féin makes you less intelligent either.

However, I do think pulling people up on their spelling/grammar on on-line forums makes you ____________________?

I'm not reaching mad conclusions FA, I'm a potential voter and I would like some detail on Sinn Féin policies. They don't have any. They don't feel the need to answer tough questions. They don't credit people with intelligence. I find them condescending.

? Have the courage to say what you mean

Fenian Army · 26-05-2012 04:02PM

mattjack wrote: »

This will be if and when the majority of the electorate agree to it.

Which is an inevitably, might take 10, 20, 30 years but the clock is ticking on the orange state

mattjack · 26-05-2012 04:22PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Which is an inevitably, might take 10, 20, 30 years but the clock is ticking on the orange state

Certainly going to interesting if we ever get as far as holding these two referendums.

Wibbs · 26-05-2012 04:36PM

Azure_sky wrote: »

Exactly. The first President of Fine Gael was General Eoin O' Duffy. He was a facist, racist, anti-semite who supported Hitler. So by the logic of some people on this forum anyone who supports Fine Gael are Nazis, racists and anti-semites.

Indeed, but would the same FG supporters vote for them if Mr O'Duffy and his supporters were still talking much the same way as before and leading the party today? I doubt it.

Mallei wrote: »

We wouldn't need to.

Another blanket statement without any reasoning behind it.

The UK government spend an absolute fortune on the six counties because they are trying to fix (or, more accurately, cover up) a mess that they created. Occupied people don't tend to be productive and happy; thus they cost money. If they were "permitted" to actually, you know, be free and join the rest of Ireland, I guarantee it would cost a lot less. Because they'd be Irish citizens living in Ireland. Ireland cost the English money when they ruled the whole island, too, but it somehow managed to exist independently when we won our freedom.

You do realise what decade you're living in?

To put it another way, if we went and conquered a part of France and then brutally subjugated the natives and removed their freedoms over hundreds of years, it'd probably cost us a load of money keeping the local French populace in order under a flag they despise.

Again you're ignoring the current majority happy under said flag. Anyway it doesn't seem like too much work to keep the place in order these days, barring the odd balloonhead kicking off. Again you're reliving the past.

Well it doesn't seem to bother Britain that a "good chunk" despise the English and want to be Irish, why should it bother us about the reverse?

Silly argument. It would bother us in exactly the same way if tomorrow the UK abandoned the place and we took it over. Annnnd there's your costs right there. Costs we wouldn't have a hope in hell of covering.

Particularly when it's our land, they are the foreign invaders, and more to the point those who want to be Irish are not only in the right but also in the majority. If there were those who opposed unification left in there when we finally made Ireland whole, well, it's not hard to move across the sea and live in England (or Scotland) since that's what they so desperately want.

Yea I'm beginning to see Mugabe myself...

Have they?

Yes.

I'm going to assume here that you've never been to the six counties, don't know anyone from the six counties,

Assume, makes an ass of u and me, or to put it another way, nope sorry you're wrong. Plus members of my family were fighting and dying for this country while others hid behind their mother's skirts only to get their courage in the blarneyed up telling decades later. I have quite a number of relatives up there still. I know much of the place and the history of it

or simply live with your head in the sand pretending that everything's wonderful up there. There are many, many, many Irish living in the north who have to put up with crap every single day. How would you feel if you woke up every morning feeling Irish but being told that your land was English, being forced to listen to that funeral dirge of a national anthem and using money with the queen's fcuking face on it? The violence might have toned down but the desire to be part of a united Ireland is stronger than ever.

Going by what passes for logic in your writings then surely "it's not hard to move across the border and live in Ireland since that's what they so desperately want. See how that works? Probably not, but I do like to watch people twist in the wind on a rope woven by their own narrow mindedness. Oh and before you pounce back with spittle flecked keystrokes and type "It's our laand!!!', be open to the notion that you'd hear the same words echoed back at you from the side you hate so much.

Of course it's do with worship. I don't mean they get down on their knees and pray to the rich as if they're gods, but this blind belief that they can't do any wrong (or, if they do something wrong - like this recession - the fact that they never get brought to justice) means that the current situation is the rich can do whatever they like, and get away with it because "sure, we might drive them out of the country!". Since them being in the country had brought Ireland to its knees, I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing anyway.

Good sweet jesus, when I thought I couldn't read anything more odd, boy was I was wrong. OK look at private debt in this country. Look at the many thousands of ordinary people who took out daftly high mortgages, loans and maxed out credit cards, yet nary a rich man or woman among them. That was this "rich" you speak of? Those same ordinary people who voted in clown after clown to keep that going? You're left with a stark choice between either the ordinary man or woman is too stupid to be left unattended with a pair of scissors, or - and I'll give you a hint - it's so much more complicated than that. This "rich" speak interests me. Go back to the 1930's and swap "rich" for "Jew" and it would comfortably slot right in. This is how this guff kicks off.

Oh look, another anti-SF poster spouting rhetorical nonsense in an effort to discredit the fastest growing party in Irish politics.

They're not.

Face it, Wibbs, you will be under a Sinn Fein government within the next ten years.

I'm not holding my breath. Let us both face the fact that after the last shower of gobshítes, a braying donkey could have gotten elected and indeed some appear to have done so. Basing any parties results on the last election is hardly a crystal ball for the future.

I hope you keep a slice of humble pie in the fridge.

I hope so too, though if SF take office I'm not sure I'll be able to afford it, or the fridge it's in.

K-9 wrote: »

Well measures were brought in to limit tax breaks and stop the practice of high earners paying little or no tax. More should be done but some of these figures SF are chatting about seem very optimistic to me. They want the services of a social democracy but also reduce taxes, doesn't add up to me!

Yep, all too typical thinking of the more extreme left. Almost a notion of "god will provide".

Mallei wrote: »

Another example of a coddled Irishman who has grown up in peacetime and just doesn't get it.

Maybe you're not getting that it's actually peacetime. It's almost as if you want it not to be. That you're political identity requires a state of war or struggle. Far happier to blow up a bridge than try and build one.

expectationlost · 26-05-2012 05:35PM

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/fianna-fail-advertising-hoarding-at-ireland-vs-hungary-1989-lansdowne-road/

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/group-fixtures-venues-2002-world-cup-korea-japan-brendan-brady-fine-gael-2002-general-election-dublin-north-west/

your calling football fans the lowest common denomitor?

swimming in a sea · 26-05-2012 05:45PM

Mallei wrote: »

Another example of a coddled Irishman who has grown up in peacetime and just doesn't get it.

I'm sure that, as someone who has grown up in free Ireland, the national anthem or the money don't bother you, the same way the Irish living in London or Australia aren't bothered by the fact that they use money with the queen's face on it. They grew up using Irish money on Irish land, but are happy enough to accept that when they go "abroad" they use the money local to that country. Fine.

You probably therefore consider Northern Ireland a separate country and are therefore perfectly accepting of the differences owing to its "Britishness". That being the case, you're not bothered by them.

But for the Irish up there it's different. They know they're Irish, and that their land is Irish, yet they're constantly being told that not only is their land English, but they are forced to live with English customs and money. It's not the same; you're an outsider looking in, they live there.

I know an American who lives in Dublin. He's proudly American, but is obviously not bothered by using Irish money or seeing the Irish flag; he's in Ireland, for goodness' sake. But if he went home to Minnesota and suddenly found out that it was now occupied by the Irish, complete with the Irish flag and Amhrán na bhFiann, he'd be bothered.

so you get a united Ireland and what have you got, a million British people now living in an Irish republic, now been told their land which they saw as British for 500 years is now Irish.

So how are you going to solve their problem?

mattjack · 26-05-2012 05:47PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

so you get a united Ireland and what have you got, a million British people now living in an Irish republic, now been told their land which they saw as British for 500 years is now Irish.

So how are you going to solve their problem?

Shhh will ya,

Gerrys talking at his Ard Dheis ,

all the Shinners are otherwise engaged.

Nodin · 26-05-2012 06:23PM

mattjack wrote: »

Shhh will ya,

Gerrys talking at his Ard Dheis ,

all the Shinners are otherwise engaged.

I'm not. I prefer to read speeches. Except Endas, as you miss most of the comedy value if you only go on the transcript.

Capt'n Midnight · 26-05-2012 07:42PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Oh right, since WWII, so now it's not a just a question of killing, it's a question of how long ago it was. Killing pre WWII was fine, so all the Shinners have to do is give it a few years and then people like yourself will drip the issue?

Love the way the SF warped logic works.

The point is that anyone in any other party that might possibly be involved in killing has died by now.

(That aside I do recall the Labour party having various links to the Stickies

And the Stickies had nothing to do with Sinn Fein ?

not to mention DUP and UUP links with groups like the UVF and UDA as well as the infamous South African guns/Third Force fiasco.)

I said Irish parties.

I'm sure there was an overlap of members in SF and IRA, same way there was an overlap of members in SF and GAA, or AOH or the local darts club. An overlap of members does not make the two the same organisation, in fact even a brief look through modern Irish history will reveal that there was often a lot of animosity between SF and the IRA particularly during the early years of the war when IRA members would look at SF as something of a joke.

how do you know there was animosity ??

why would there be animosity ??

Let's not forget that prominent members of SF were accused of being on the IRA army council. A lot later on they denied being currently on the council.

Yes, Gerry Adams has been a senior member of SF since the 70s. What of it?

It's always worth pointing out when people try to say SF has changed.

Capt'n Midnight · 26-05-2012 07:43PM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Funding the IRA. Actual tangible funding.

Sorry, I though Haughey was a me feiner and in it for the money.
I'm shocked that money transferred out of his grasp into the hands of the IRA, assuming you can provide a link to prove it.

Not "ah sure we all know Sinn Féin is the political wing of the IRA" which is mostly hearsay.

I suppose you have proof of Adams funding the IRA?

Considering that the IRA is a secret organisation and the number of people murdered by the IRA because they were accused of informing it's not really a surprise that proof has been hard to obtain.

Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

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