South County GC Closed

ipitydafool · 09-05-2012 4:19pm

thegen wrote: »

Completely agree. They were taking subs up to last week. Lovely way for them to treat their fellow members. Why was there no transparency as to the scale of the problem, why was there no EGM called to let members know what was happening.

But is suppose "The Fuhrer" or "Puppeteer" liked to keep control of his dictatorship.

Rumors flying around of it reopening as a pay as you play course by Sat. Landlord will have control of the course by then. Don't know whether to believe this or not.

If that is the case then I will never go near the place again that's for sure. If some of the rumours I have heard today are true ,sounds like they are trying to pull off a stunt some of those dodgy car dealerships do, close the place and re-open next day under a different name but have shafted all the old customers( in this case members).

ForeRight · 09-05-2012 4:20pm

thegen wrote: »

downthemiddle wrote: »

I have just driven past it on my way home. The gate is locked with a course closed sign up. It is very sad to see. I can only imagine how the members feel.
With regard to affiliation unfortunately for South County members to be affiliated to the GUI you must have a course to play on. With the course closed the club will lose affiliation and handicaps will lapse immediately.
The GUI are based in Carton which is in NAMA. They are not likely to deal with NAMA situation as they have invested too much in Carton.

The GUI have assured the Men's Club Committee that affiliation has not lapsed and members h/c will be safe for a 6 month period. Why keep posting that this is not true. I can only go on what a committee member has told me re their conversations with the GUI.

Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!

Hacker111 · 09-05-2012 4:26pm

Birdie Machine wrote: »

If NAMA RUN GOLF ClUBS were all closed. We wouldn't have this situation with SC today. This is a big problem for Member Run Golf Clubs at the moment and SC will only be the start if nothing is done about it.!!!

Why should Nama close golf clubs... ridiculous comment.......

Nama has every right to manage and operate all golf courses, hotels, pubs etc in the manner that they view as the most commercially viable to maximise the return on their trasnfered debt levels/assets......

The problem is we as a country simply have too many poor golf clubs in strange locations..... if they are Nama owned or not is irrelevant...

Obviously massive sympathy to all the guys who have lost this years subs..mare.....

one ill cat · 09-05-2012 4:26pm

The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 4:26pm

People are great at telling you they knew about this after the event. So far iv been told today that lads were tipped off last year it wouldn't last another 12 months. Contrary to that a friend of mine who is privileged to their account information informed me that everything was completely fine last month. Everyone was paid, accounts were in order and this is completely out of the blue. I was also told that owners of Castleknock were up meeting last week about a possible merger (rumour).

So far today i have contacted the Nation Consumer Agency, Company registrations office and the Insolvency journal. The NCA advised me to lodge a disputed claim with my VISA card company. Essentially i was mis sold and was worth my while. No doubt i signed something in the small print to say if the company goes bang yadayayaya... Anyway as of this point no liquidator has been appointed according to the CRO and Insolvency. The girl checked the company reg '380194' and all is still live. Im sure we will know more soon in that aspect.

Id be confident we will be back up playing there again under the examiners its just how long will it be and how poor the conditions are going to get. Worst part of all is best of luck them convincing members to commit to next years subs. I know i won't.

thegen · 09-05-2012 4:27pm

ForeRight wrote: »

Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!

You need to seperate the The Southcounty (2004) Company from the Mens Club. Two totally different entities. The men's club look after the running of the mens section and all dealings with the GUI. The person in question was not on the board and had no input into the financial running of the club. He was not responsible for any communication from the Board.

Tom F · 09-05-2012 4:28pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Is this the President???????

No, I only ever played there once. No ties at all, just think its a crap situation for all involved.

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 4:30pm

one ill cat wrote: »

The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!

Disgraceful behavior. I met a ladies committee member in the carpark yesterday morning and her biggest concern was Rayme paying out her 2's as she forgot to fill her handicap in on the card. Its shocking that members were not given the chance to help the situation.

bustercherry · 09-05-2012 4:31pm

one ill cat wrote: »

The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!

Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.

ForeRight · 09-05-2012 4:32pm

thegen wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!

You need to seperate the The Southcounty (2004) Company from the Mens Club. Two totally different entities. The men's club look after the running of the mens section and all dealings with the GUI. The person in question was not on the board and had no input into the financial running of the club. He was not responsible for any communication from the Board.

My apologies Gen.
I'm angry and venting today obviously but what the girl told me on the phone earlier is still the same.

I hope she is wrong as at least we could tip around playing opens fir the rest of the year if worst case scenario the club doesn't open back up.

one ill cat · 09-05-2012 4:32pm

bustercherry wrote: »

Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.

I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!

ForeRight · 09-05-2012 4:35pm

one ill cat wrote: »

bustercherry wrote: »

Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.

I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!

I thought someone had died when my phone was buzzing at 620am!!!!

Looking back now I wish that's what it was

Joking!

dnjoyce · 09-05-2012 4:35pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

The GUI are based in Carton which is in NAMA. They are not likely to deal with NAMA situation as they have invested too much in Carton.

Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/

AldilaMan · 09-05-2012 4:36pm

All golf clubs outwardly portray themselves in good financial health. The minute they say otherwise, members run away in fear. My previous golf club have been spouting on about how well they are doing despite a €3 million plus debt for a new clubhouse. I don't believe it - but I genuinely hope I'm wrong. This is a critical counting time for clubs with the full membership losses for 2012 being realised. Good luck to all.

thegen · 09-05-2012 4:38pm

ForeRight wrote: »

My apologies Gen.
I'm angry and venting today obviously but what the girl told me on the phone earlier is still the same.

I hope she is wrong as at least we could tip around playing opens fir the rest of the year if worst case scenario the club doesn't open back up.

No probs, I'm with you, Its made page 2 in The Herald!!!!!

bustercherry · 09-05-2012 4:39pm

one ill cat wrote: »

I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!

I just rolled over and went back to sleep as I though it was a junk message. Only when I come on here, I realised it was true.

ipitydafool · 09-05-2012 4:43pm

dnjoyce wrote: »

Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/

The hotel which was once partially owned by Paddy Kelly is now part owned by NAMA afaik. I dont think it relates to the golf course or the GUI headquarters. More info here- http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=36888

link_2007 · 09-05-2012 4:49pm

bustercherry wrote: »

I just rolled over and went back to sleep as I though it was a junk message. Only when I come on here, I realised it was true.

I saw the number and assumed it was going to say the course was closed due to the weather. Opened the curtains to reveal a lovely clear morning and then went to check to see what the message was about.

Mister Sifter · 09-05-2012 4:50pm

dnjoyce wrote: »

Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/

Carton House hotel's loans were taken over by Nama.

TanD · 09-05-2012 5:06pm

As an ex employee of Scgc this makes me very sad to hear. My friends and collegues have all lost their jobs today. No offense to any of you worrying about your handicaps but take a look at the bigger picture - this is a sad day for SCGC members and its employees!

GreeBo · 09-05-2012 5:11pm

Lads can we stop with the rumours and allegations please.
Any more comments about anyone or any company will result in this thread being deleted.

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 5:12pm

TanD wrote: »

As an ex employee of Scgc this makes me very sad to hear. My friends and collegues have all lost their jobs today. No offense to any of you worrying about your handicaps but take a look at the bigger picture - this is a sad day for SCGC members and its employees!

To be fair members here are looking at every picture. You cannot say sympathy has not been given for the employees of the club here. Have a read back.

For me it was the first thing i thought of was them turning up to a locked gate.

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 5:19pm

ForeRight wrote: »

Same for me mate. Club handicap sec told me 6 months guaranteed. GUI say that's not the case. Either way I can't help but feel extremely angry at the whole thing.

I played there yesterday and all was normal. Work being done all over the course, everything in great nick, people up in the bar, pro shop running away normally, ladies comp was on and then wake up to a text message today saying thanks for your money all the best!!!

Someone knew this was coming so this is disgraceful behaviour or Managment from somebody or a number of people IMO.

What was all that nonsense on the website only a few weeks back telling everyone that the clubs future was secure etc etc.

Either way even if the club opens back up tomorrow it will be the last sub I ever pay to s county. I completely understand that these things happen unfortunately and I feel for the staff but somebody up there knew all along that this was coming but anyone I have spoke to was oblivious and shocked this morning!

Totally oblivious indeed! I joined as a lady member back in November and didn't even get the famous text. I had yet to get to know many members so feel very in the dark about what is going on. Are there any members on here who would be willing to forward me any correspondence/texts either via PM or text as I seem to not be on their mailing lists?

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 5:20pm

chuckieamc wrote: »

Totally oblivious indeed! I joined as a lady member back in November and didn't even get the famous text. I had yet to get to know many members so feel very in the dark about what is going on. Are there any members on here who would be willing to forward me any correspondence/texts either via PM or text as I seem to not be on their mailing lists?

I should say even more in the dark, as everyone seems to be in teh dark about this other than the company directors!!

ForeRight · 09-05-2012 5:23pm

chuckieamc wrote: »

ForeRight wrote: »

Same for me mate. Club handicap sec told me 6 months guaranteed. GUI say that's not the case. Either way I can't help but feel extremely angry at the whole thing.

I played there yesterday and all was normal. Work being done all over the course, everything in great nick, people up in the bar, pro shop running away normally, ladies comp was on and then wake up to a text message today saying thanks for your money all the best!!!

Someone knew this was coming so this is disgraceful behaviour or Managment from somebody or a number of people IMO.

What was all that nonsense on the website only a few weeks back telling everyone that the clubs future was secure etc etc.

Either way even if the club opens back up tomorrow it will be the last sub I ever pay to s county. I completely understand that these things happen unfortunately and I feel for the staff but somebody up there knew all along that this was coming but anyone I have spoke to was oblivious and shocked this morning!

Totally oblivious indeed! I joined as a lady member back in November and didn't even get the famous text. I had yet to get to know many members so feel very in the dark about what is going on. Are there any members on here who would be willing to forward me any correspondence/texts either via PM or text as I seem to not be on their mailing lists?

The only text is the one originally posted at the beginning of this thread.
No phones answered at the club today and the only other club position statement is the one in the website I'm afraid.

I got the text but I'm still as in the dark as you.

link_2007 · 09-05-2012 5:24pm

chuckieamc wrote: »

Totally oblivious indeed! I joined as a lady member back in November and didn't even get the famous text. I had yet to get to know many members so feel very in the dark about what is going on. Are there any members on here who would be willing to forward me any correspondence/texts either via PM or text as I seem to not be on their mailing lists?

Apart from the text (which I included first post on the first page) and the notice which can be seen on the website, I don't think there has been any further official correspondance.

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 5:27pm

link_2007 wrote: »

Apart from the text (which I included first post on the first page) and the notice which can be seen on the website, I don't think there has been any further official correspondance.

ok, thanks link2007. Its all so horriby frustrating, had the clubs packed in to the car to go up and hit a few balls after work today. The loss of my sub is a big deal, but still thinking a lot about the folks who lost jobs

emac123 · 09-05-2012 5:30pm

what a joke, cant believe it, was looking forward to the medal on sunday too! thoughts are with the staff and especially raymie today, could be left with a lot of expensive stock gathering dust

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 5:33pm

chuckieamc wrote: »

ok, thanks link2007. Its all so horriby frustrating, had the clubs packed in to the car to go up and hit a few balls after work today. The loss of my sub is a big deal, but still thinking a lot about the folks who lost jobs

Here here. We are all entitled to feel aggrieved about our memberships so don't feel so bad for thinking like that along with the loss of employment.

I suppose at the moment the worst thing is being in the dark about it all.

gymman39 · 09-05-2012 5:34pm

Heard over the weekend that a club not to far from me is in serious trouble and has no money left to pay wages from the end of june ..hope this is not the start of a lot of clubs folding

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 5:34pm

emac123 wrote: »

what a joke, cant believe it, was looking forward to the medal on sunday too! thoughts are with the staff and especially raymie today, could be left with a lot of expensive stock gathering dust

Not to mention equipment put on membership accounts.

emac123 · 09-05-2012 5:38pm

disastrous situation all round unfortunately. You'd never know, it could sort itself out. wont hold my breath though

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 5:40pm

emac123 wrote: »

disastrous situation all round unfortunately. You'd never know, it could sort itself out. wont hold my breath though

Here's hoping...

http://golfcoursesireland.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 5:42pm

Alrite Chief wrote: »

Here's hoping...

http://golfcoursesireland.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html

ohhhhh....don't be going getting my hopes up!

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 5:54pm

chuckieamc wrote: »

ohhhhh....don't be going getting my hopes up!

I'll take anything positive!!!!

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 6:05pm

Expect an article in the indo tomorrow too; I just had Liam Kelly their golf guy ring me looking for any information - had to tell him I was learning everything I knew on here!

Birdie Machine · 09-05-2012 6:14pm

no but heard they guards on the gate

thegen · 09-05-2012 6:17pm

TanD wrote: »

As an ex employee of Scgc this makes me very sad to hear. My friends and collegues have all lost their jobs today. No offense to any of you worrying about your handicaps but take a look at the bigger picture - this is a sad day for SCGC members and its employees!

Hi Tan,

I'm with you. I texted Raymie to pass on my best wishes to him and the rest of the staff. Americano & Purple Snack😉

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 6:29pm

thegen wrote: »

Hi Tan,

I'm with you. I texted Raymie to pass on my best wishes to him and the rest of the staff. Americano & Purple Snack😉

Any word from the ordinary staff there like Raymie? Are they still in the dark about it all?

I just cannot imagine this not getting resolved one way or another. Not sure what implications having examiners running the place will have on current staff. I really do pray a solution that suits all can be found.

downthemiddle · 09-05-2012 6:30pm

Birdie Machine wrote: »

no but heard they guards on the gate

Drove past at six o'clock. The gate was open and definitely no guards there.

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 6:37pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

Drove past at six o'clock. The gate was open and definitely no guards there.

Nip in for 9 :eek:

thegen · 09-05-2012 6:40pm

Alrite Chief wrote: »

Any word from the ordinary staff there like Raymie? Are they still in the dark about it all?

I just cannot imagine this not getting resolved one way or another. Not sure what implications having examiners running the place will have on current staff. I really do pray a solution that suits all can be found.

Board have handled this like amateurs, from a ****ty text to the statement on the website. Their reluctance to share any info with the members and look for input in working out a solution was disgraceful. I do hope one of them is reading this thread and might reply, they could even register as Morgan Fletcher or use another alias!

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 6:43pm

thegen wrote: »

Board have handled this like amateurs, from a ****ty text to the statement on the website. Their reluctance to share any info with the members and look for input in working out a solution was disgraceful. I do hope one of them is reading this thread and might reply, they could even register as Morgan Fletcher or use another alias!

Some chance. Bottlers.

one ill cat · 09-05-2012 7:03pm

I also sent Raymie a text this morning when I had it confirmed that the text wasn't a hoax. I really hope he gets sorted & isn't landed with having to cover the cost of all the stock he had in the shop. I assume he, rather than the club, owned the pro shop contents?

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 7:06pm

one ill cat wrote: »

I also sent Raymie a text this morning when I had it confirmed that the text wasn't a hoax. I really hope he gets sorted & isn't landed with having to cover the cost of all the stock he had in the shop. I assume he, rather than the club, owned the pro shop contents?

Yeah thats my understanding. He leases the unit and stocks it.

downthemiddle · 09-05-2012 7:17pm

Alrite Chief wrote: »

downthemiddle wrote: »

Drove past at six o'clock. The gate was open and definitely no guards there.

Nip in for 9 :eek:

Activity there at the moment. There's a car and lorry driving up to the clubhouse.

BeccaS · 09-05-2012 7:38pm

TanD wrote: »

As an ex employee of Scgc this makes me very sad to hear. My friends and collegues have all lost their jobs today. No offense to any of you worrying about your handicaps but take a look at the bigger picture - this is a sad day for SCGC members and its employees!

Thanks Tan!

Alrite Chief · 09-05-2012 7:49pm

Attn Members:

Would it be worth our while calling an EGM at the club. Staff of SCGC and its members deserve more information. The course is closed until further notice is totally unacceptable. The board have allowed this to happen without input from the members. It time for us to act.

chuckieamc · 09-05-2012 7:59pm

Alrite Chief wrote: »

Attn Members:

Would it be worth our while calling an EGM at the club. Staff of SCGC and its members deserve more information. The course is closed until further notice is totally unacceptable. The board have allowed this to happen without input from the members. It time for us to act.

I'm in. I gather from comments on here that there is a committee meeting tomorrow night?
In some potentially heartening news, I heard that concra wood in Monaghan closed last week for a similar issue and was open a few days later under new management.
Though the moving out of equipment is worrying....

scubapro · 09-05-2012 8:07pm

Hot off the press

Dear Jason,

As landlords to the South County Golf Club Limited and in the pursuance of clause 7 of lease entered into 8/11/2000, we are advising all said members that we have taken possession of the facilities until further notice because of the actions and abandonment by the company and its directors.

We advise members of the club that they are welcome to play golf as usual subject to rules and regulations and the Golfing Union of Ireland. Presently the bar and restaurant will remain closed but we have agreed with the Club Professional to leave the Pro shop open.

Landlords,

John & Patrick Kavanagh

South County GC Closed

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