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South County GC Closed

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  • #92
    BigChap1759
    Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭BigChap1759


    Give it a rest ^^^ we get your point :rolleyes:


  • #93
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    thegen wrote: »
    ForeRight wrote: »
    According to the GUI who I just spoke to on the phone nothing is guaranteed regarding official GUI handicap for 6 months.

    I was told there was another committee meeting tomorrow night in s county by the girl in the Leinster branch.

    I got the same answer from the girl in the GUI. I was told by a men's club committee member that our affiliation was still in tact!!!!



    Same for me mate. Club handicap sec told me 6 months guaranteed. GUI say that's not the case. Either way I can't help but feel extremely angry at the whole thing.

    I played there yesterday and all was normal. Work being done all over the course, everything in great nick, people up in the bar, pro shop running away normally, ladies comp was on and then wake up to a text message today saying thanks for your money all the best!!!

    Someone knew this was coming so this is disgraceful behaviour or Managment from somebody or a number of people IMO.

    What was all that nonsense on the website only a few weeks back telling everyone that the clubs future was secure etc etc.

    Either way even if the club opens back up tomorrow it will be the last sub I ever pay to s county. I completely understand that these things happen unfortunately and I feel for the staff but somebody up there knew all along that this was coming but anyone I have spoke to was oblivious and shocked this morning!


  • #94
    ipitydafool
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭ipitydafool


    Birdie Machine wrote: »
    The golf club although struggling due to financial climate in Ireland at the moment, had a good and loyal members base. Membership fees had been reduced to attract new members in and had been sucessful but unfortunately they had lost present members who could no longer afford the fees due to current financial climate, which lets face it has affected us all in one way or another. So a club run - members owned golf club is forced to close while NAMA RUN GOLF CLUBS are being run at a loss to the expense of the taxpayer. Unfortunately the board of management where left with no option but to close the gates. Hopefully the GUI will take note of this!!!

    Of course they had other options like MAYBE disclose to members what the true financials were, have an EGM and try and come up with a plan to save place. Sounds like the buried there in the sand and said everything was fine, accepted membership payments in bad faith and now all of sudden say the company insolvent. by sounds of it the company could be insolvent for a while. As schemingbohemia has noted there could be case for 'reckless trading'


  • #95
    link_2007
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭link_2007


    Anyone been up there today?


  • #96
    one ill cat
    Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭one ill cat


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Same for me mate. Club handicap sec told me 6 months guaranteed. GUI say that's not the case. Either way I can't help but feel extremely angry at the whole thing.

    I played there yesterday and all was normal. Work being done all over the course, everything in great nick, people up in the bar, pro shop running away normally, ladies comp was on and then wake up to a text message today saying thanks for your money all the best!!!

    Someone knew this was coming so this is disgraceful behaviour or Managment from somebody or a number of people IMO.

    What was all that nonsense on the website only a few weeks back telling everyone that the clubs future was secure etc etc.

    Either way even if the club opens back up tomorrow it will be the last sub I ever pay to s county. I completely understand that these things happen unfortunately and I feel for the staff but somebody up there knew all along that this was coming but anyone I have spoke to was oblivious and shocked this morning!

    Exactly! Why keep sending emails to say how financially secure the place is when that clearly isn't the case!


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  • #97
    Birdie Machine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭Birdie Machine


    remy was sent same tex as members


  • #98
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Same for me mate. Club handicap sec told me 6 months guaranteed. GUI say that's not the case. Either way I can't help but feel extremely angry at the whole thing.

    I played there yesterday and all was normal. Work being done all over the course, everything in great nick, people up in the bar, pro shop running away normally, ladies comp was on and then wake up to a text message today saying thanks for your money all the best!!!

    Someone knew this was coming so this is disgraceful behaviour or Managment from somebody or a number of people IMO.

    What was all that nonsense on the website only a few weeks back telling everyone that the clubs future was secure etc etc.

    Either way even if the club opens back up tomorrow it will be the last sub I ever pay to s county. I completely understand that these things happen unfortunately and I feel for the staff but somebody up there knew all along that this was coming but anyone I have spoke to was oblivious and shocked this morning!

    Completely agree. They were taking subs up to last week. Lovely way for them to treat their fellow members. Why was there no transparency as to the scale of the problem, why was there no EGM called to let members know what was happening.

    But is suppose "The Fuhrer" or "Puppeteer" liked to keep control of his dictatorship.

    Rumors flying around of it reopening as a pay as you play course by Sat. Landlord will have control of the course by then. Don't know whether to believe this or not.


  • #99
    Tom F
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Tom F


    Bad news all round, played last week and would be an awful shame if it is gone for good. Hopefully some sort of result comes out of it for life long members. Not nice for all those who lost there jobs also.


  • #100
    Whyner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Whyner


    That's some rumour, wouldn't go near the place

    Looks like our worst nightmare has come true

    I had the enviable pleasure of concluding my SC career by rattling off 6 consecutive .1s


  • #101
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    Tom F wrote: »
    Bad news all round, played last week and would be an awful shame if it is gone for good. Hopefully some sort of result comes out of it for life long members. Not nice for all those who lost there jobs also.

    Is this the President???????


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  • #102
    ipitydafool
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭ipitydafool


    thegen wrote: »
    Completely agree. They were taking subs up to last week. Lovely way for them to treat their fellow members. Why was there no transparency as to the scale of the problem, why was there no EGM called to let members know what was happening.

    But is suppose "The Fuhrer" or "Puppeteer" liked to keep control of his dictatorship.

    Rumors flying around of it reopening as a pay as you play course by Sat. Landlord will have control of the course by then. Don't know whether to believe this or not.

    If that is the case then I will never go near the place again that's for sure. If some of the rumours I have heard today are true ,sounds like they are trying to pull off a stunt some of those dodgy car dealerships do, close the place and re-open next day under a different name but have shafted all the old customers( in this case members).


  • #103
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    thegen wrote: »
    downthemiddle wrote: »
    I have just driven past it on my way home. The gate is locked with a course closed sign up. It is very sad to see. I can only imagine how the members feel.
    With regard to affiliation unfortunately for South County members to be affiliated to the GUI you must have a course to play on. With the course closed the club will lose affiliation and handicaps will lapse immediately.
    The GUI are based in Carton which is in NAMA. They are not likely to deal with NAMA situation as they have invested too much in Carton.

    The GUI have assured the Men's Club Committee that affiliation has not lapsed and members h/c will be safe for a 6 month period. Why keep posting that this is not true. I can only go on what a committee member has told me re their conversations with the GUI.



    Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

    Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

    I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!


  • #104
    Hacker111
    Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭Hacker111


    Birdie Machine wrote: »
    If NAMA RUN GOLF ClUBS were all closed. We wouldn't have this situation with SC today. This is a big problem for Member Run Golf Clubs at the moment and SC will only be the start if nothing is done about it.!!!


    Why should Nama close golf clubs... ridiculous comment.......

    Nama has every right to manage and operate all golf courses, hotels, pubs etc in the manner that they view as the most commercially viable to maximise the return on their trasnfered debt levels/assets......

    The problem is we as a country simply have too many poor golf clubs in strange locations..... if they are Nama owned or not is irrelevant...

    Obviously massive sympathy to all the guys who have lost this years subs..mare.....


  • #105
    one ill cat
    Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭one ill cat


    The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!


  • #106
    Alrite Chief
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Alrite Chief


    People are great at telling you they knew about this after the event. So far iv been told today that lads were tipped off last year it wouldn't last another 12 months. Contrary to that a friend of mine who is privileged to their account information informed me that everything was completely fine last month. Everyone was paid, accounts were in order and this is completely out of the blue. I was also told that owners of Castleknock were up meeting last week about a possible merger (rumour).

    So far today i have contacted the Nation Consumer Agency, Company registrations office and the Insolvency journal. The NCA advised me to lodge a disputed claim with my VISA card company. Essentially i was mis sold and was worth my while. No doubt i signed something in the small print to say if the company goes bang yadayayaya... Anyway as of this point no liquidator has been appointed according to the CRO and Insolvency. The girl checked the company reg '380194' and all is still live. Im sure we will know more soon in that aspect.

    Id be confident we will be back up playing there again under the examiners its just how long will it be and how poor the conditions are going to get. Worst part of all is best of luck them convincing members to commit to next years subs. I know i won't.


  • #107
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

    Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

    I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!

    You need to seperate the The Southcounty (2004) Company from the Mens Club. Two totally different entities. The men's club look after the running of the mens section and all dealings with the GUI. The person in question was not on the board and had no input into the financial running of the club. He was not responsible for any communication from the Board.


  • #108
    Tom F
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Tom F


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Is this the President???????

    No, I only ever played there once. No ties at all, just think its a crap situation for all involved.


  • #109
    Alrite Chief
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Alrite Chief


    one ill cat wrote: »
    The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!
    Disgraceful behavior. I met a ladies committee member in the carpark yesterday morning and her biggest concern was Rayme paying out her 2's as she forgot to fill her handicap in on the card. Its shocking that members were not given the chance to help the situation.


  • #110
    bustercherry
    Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    one ill cat wrote: »
    The board are the ones keeping people in the dark here afaik. I'm on the ladies committee and only found out at 6.21am this morning when I got the same text message!

    Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.


  • #111
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    thegen wrote: »
    ForeRight wrote: »
    Is this one if the same committee members who said a few weeks ago that the clubs future was secure and finances were good????

    Excuse me if I dismiss your information from s county committee members today after the absolutely disgraceful behaviour in not letting people know the extent of these troubles.

    I'll go by what I was told personally on the phone 20 minutes ago from the Leinster GUI branch thanks!

    You need to seperate the The Southcounty (2004) Company from the Mens Club. Two totally different entities. The men's club look after the running of the mens section and all dealings with the GUI. The person in question was not on the board and had no input into the financial running of the club. He was not responsible for any communication from the Board.


    My apologies Gen.
    I'm angry and venting today obviously but what the girl told me on the phone earlier is still the same.

    I hope she is wrong as at least we could tip around playing opens fir the rest of the year if worst case scenario the club doesn't open back up.


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  • #112
    one ill cat
    Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭one ill cat


    bustercherry wrote: »
    Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.

    I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

    I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!


  • #113
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    one ill cat wrote: »
    bustercherry wrote: »
    Actually that was cheeky as fcuk doing it at that time, I was having a good old snooze before that came in.

    I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

    I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!


    I thought someone had died when my phone was buzzing at 620am!!!!

    Looking back now I wish that's what it was :)




    Joking!


  • #114
    dnjoyce
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭dnjoyce


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    The GUI are based in Carton which is in NAMA. They are not likely to deal with NAMA situation as they have invested too much in Carton.

    Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
    http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/


  • #115
    AldilaMan
    Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭AldilaMan


    All golf clubs outwardly portray themselves in good financial health. The minute they say otherwise, members run away in fear. My previous golf club have been spouting on about how well they are doing despite a €3 million plus debt for a new clubhouse. I don't believe it - but I genuinely hope I'm wrong. This is a critical counting time for clubs with the full membership losses for 2012 being realised. Good luck to all.


  • #116
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    ForeRight wrote: »
    My apologies Gen.
    I'm angry and venting today obviously but what the girl told me on the phone earlier is still the same.

    I hope she is wrong as at least we could tip around playing opens fir the rest of the year if worst case scenario the club doesn't open back up.

    No probs, I'm with you, Its made page 2 in The Herald!!!!!


  • #117
    bustercherry
    Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    one ill cat wrote: »
    I was half awake as my alarm goes off at 6.15, certainly not the news I wanted particularly at that hour of the morning.

    I knew something was up when both mine and the husband's phone went at exactly the same time!

    I just rolled over and went back to sleep as I though it was a junk message. Only when I come on here, I realised it was true.


  • #118
    ipitydafool
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭ipitydafool


    dnjoyce wrote: »
    Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
    http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/

    The hotel which was once partially owned by Paddy Kelly is now part owned by NAMA afaik. I dont think it relates to the golf course or the GUI headquarters. More info here- http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=36888


  • #119
    link_2007
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭link_2007


    bustercherry wrote: »
    I just rolled over and went back to sleep as I though it was a junk message. Only when I come on here, I realised it was true.

    I saw the number and assumed it was going to say the course was closed due to the weather. Opened the curtains to reveal a lovely clear morning and then went to check to see what the message was about.


  • #120
    Mister Sifter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Mister Sifter


    dnjoyce wrote: »
    Not according to the list here, which appears to be recent
    http://www.nama.ie/about-our-work/properties-enforced/terms-of-use/

    Carton House hotel's loans were taken over by Nama.


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  • #121
    TanD
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭TanD


    As an ex employee of Scgc this makes me very sad to hear. My friends and collegues have all lost their jobs today. No offense to any of you worrying about your handicaps but take a look at the bigger picture - this is a sad day for SCGC members and its employees!


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