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Water fluoridation should be scrapped!

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
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    zenno wrote: »
    There's no proof this is the case. Get that gunk out of the water. :eek:

    There is mountains of evidence that fluoride prevents dental caries.

    Even most of the anti-fluoros admit that, but they contend that it causes other unwanted effects.


  • #63
    mconigol
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    I think the OP has been drinking too much water :pac:


  • #64
    Dave!
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    Worztron wrote: »
    I take offense to those insults! They must be letting any old Tom, Dick and Harry be a moderator these days.
    I'm Dave


  • #65
    Gummy Panda
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    Get rid of the chlorine!!

    Horrible taste


  • #66
    Pedant
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    Worztron wrote: »
    That is a straw man.
    Passive smoking is harmful, I am in full agreement with that ban. We can live perfectly healthy without water fluoridation - ask the Germans.

    I was reading somewhere, I forget the exact source, but apparently there's something in the cigarettes that either slows done or inhibits the effects of flouride in the body. That's why the government introduced the smoking ban in pubs and it's the same reason why they want to introduce a smoking ban in public places.


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  • #67
    Pedant
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    Parsley wrote: »
    EU limits for fluoride ions in water is less than one part per million. Yes, for every million molecules of H2O in your tap water, there isn't even one fluoride ion. This is checked pretty goddamn regularly too. Utterly miniscule from a toxicity point of view, but potentially beficial for teeth.

    One part per million, eh? That's all you need for a good homeopathic brew. The government has found out the secret properties of homeopathy and is employing them on the population. The government spreads lies amongst the general populous and the media telling them that homeopathy is all hocus pocus, but it's NOT!! It's all so clear now. The government are lying to us, LYING!! They want you to believe that that one part per million will do you no harm, but it will. The homeopaths were right all along. That one part per million still has the same effects as one part in two.


  • #68
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    Pedant wrote: »
    One part per million, eh? That's all you need for a good homeopathic brew. The government has found out the secret properties of homeopathy and is employing them on the population. The government spreads lies amongst the general populous and the media telling them that homeopathy is all hocus pocus, but it's NOT!! It's all so clear now. The government are lying to us, LYING!! They want you to believe that that one part per million will do you no harm, but it will. The homeopaths were right all along. That one part per million still has the same effects as one part in two.

    Take 2 Paracetamol: Cures your headache.

    Take 40 Paracetamol: Liver failure.


    Drink 1 pint: Feel ever so slightly tipsy.

    Drink 20 pints: Puke in a strangers face.


    You see how this works?


  • #69
    partyatmygaff
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Drink 1 pint: Feel ever so slightly tipsy.

    Drink 20 pints: Puke in a strangers face.

    You see how this works?
    Yeah but when you shake the mixture and get the water to "remember" what used to be in it, 1/1,000,000 of a pint will have the same effect as 10 pints.


  • #70
    Dave!
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Take 2 Paracetamol: Cures your headache.

    Take 40 Paracetamol: Liver failure.


    Drink 1 pint: Feel ever so slightly tipsy.

    Drink 20 pints: Puke in a strangers face.


    You see how this works?

    Lightweight tbh


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
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    Dave! wrote: »
    Lightweight tbh

    Lol, I knew someone was going to say that.:pac:


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  • #72
    Pedant
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Drink 1 pint: Feel ever so slightly tipsy.

    Drink 20 pints: Puke in a strangers face.

    Nonsense. Get a pint class, fill it with your favourite beer and then empty it over a sink (make sure there's at least one drop left). Then fill the glass with water and drink. Repeat this procedure about 6 times and you will be drunk, believe me.


  • #73
    tahina
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    My dog wont even drink tap water that says it all but in fairness i dont use tap water for cooking and drinking
    so why should the dog lolzz im scared of the water after the crypto spredium in galway city and thats when i started giving the dog bottled water lolzzzz


  • #74
    Logical Fallacy
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    I demand more Flouride in our water.


  • #75
    cesc77
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    tahina wrote: »
    My dog wont even drink tap water that says it all but in fairness i dont use tap water for cooking and drinking
    so why should the dog lolzz im scared of the water after the crypto spredium in galway city and thats when i started giving the dog bottled water lolzzzz


    WHAT .THE .FCUK?:confused:

    drugs on medication much?




    lolzz:pac:


  • #76
    cassel16
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    Pedant wrote: »
    Nonsense. Get a pint class, fill it with your favourite beer and then empty it over a sink (make sure there's at least one drop left). Then fill the glass with water and drink. Repeat this procedure about 6 times and you will be drunk, believe me.

    Seems like a waste of beer to me...


  • #77
    zenno
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    Parsley wrote: »
    EU limits for fluoride ions in water is less than one part per million. Yes, for every million molecules of H2O in your tap water, there isn't even one fluoride ion. This is checked pretty goddamn regularly too. Utterly miniscule from a toxicity point of view, but potentially beficial for teeth.

    And as for hydrofluorosilicic acid being manufactured as the waste product of whatever stuff you listed, I worked briefly for the company that makes 95% of the country's water treatment chemicals, in the quality analysis lab, analysing the quality of this compound you seem to think is a load of muck shovelled from reactor beds. There are extremely strict guidelines for the quality/purity/acidity etc. of the samples.

    tl;dr - OP doesn't know what's really going on and has been duped by paranoid conspiracy theories. Keep drinking tap water.

    Water is water in it's purest state and anything man-made (chemicals) added to this is bang out of order. jeez, all we want is pure clean water without sh1te dumped into it. Talk about recycling ? lol recycling waste into the tap water-supply system is just nuts. Give me clean water that's all I ask for. And as i said last week, if people want to use fluoride then by all means do so, no-one is stopping you but if I want clean un-fluoridated water i'm attacked by the people that say it's good for you just drink as much of it as you like and it will be a healthy part of your life, yeah right ffs wake up or is the fluoride messing with your brain ? i wonder.


  • #78
    tahina
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    [/QUOTE]


    WHAT .THE .FCUK?:confused:

    drugs on medication much?

    Nope the dog only deserves the best and i didmt want him to get sick at the time but now he turns up his nose at tap water what can i do


  • #79
    cesc77
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    WHAT .THE .FCUK?:confused:

    drugs on medication much?

    Nope the dog only deserves the best and i didmt want him to get sick at the time but now he turns up his nose at tap water what can i do[/QUOTE]


    I dont know .......boil the water....we really are in troubled times when the dog is gasping.


    (deserves the best?:pac:hope you look after youre other half as well)


    Do you guys pay for your water down south?


  • #80
    tahina
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    [/Quote]I dont know .......boil the water....we really are in troubled times when the dog is gasping.


    (deserves the best?:pac:hope you look after youre other half as well)


    Do you guys pay for your water down south?[/Quote]

    Boiling it never worked but the tap water in galway city is disgusting we had a leaky tap and within a week the porcelian sink had a bright blue stain from were the water was dripping down into the sink to the plug hole it was shocking and it took quite a strong cleaning agent to remove the stain =\

    By the way Both of them are equally spoiled lol

    No we dont pay for water just yet i think its coming into operation in 2014 but i may be wrong. But there is definitely water tax coming into play


  • #81
    zenno
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    Soon we will all be paying for this contaminated water and it is contaminated, all the crap that is pumped into it is going to cost us a lot extra annually. Who would think that in the 21st century we would be forced to pay for contaminated water, this is the way the world is going now forcing people to pay a government to poison them. Clean the water through the system of cleansing but don't pump it full of chemicals ffs.


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  • #82
    Parsley
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    zenno wrote: »
    Soon we will all be paying for this contaminated water and it is contaminated, all the crap that is pumped into it is going to cost us a lot extra annually. Who would think that in the 21st century we would be forced to pay for contaminated water, this is the way the world is going now forcing people to pay a government to poison them. Clean the water through the system of cleansing but don't pump it full of chemicals ffs.

    the water is clean. and it isn't pumped full of chemicals... it has under one part per million of a particular ion added.
    zenno wrote: »
    Water is water in it's purest state and anything man-made (chemicals) added to this is bang out of order. jeez, all we want is pure clean water without sh1te dumped into it. Talk about recycling ? lol recycling waste into the tap water-supply system is just nuts. Give me clean water that's all I ask for. And as i said last week, if people want to use fluoride then by all means do so, no-one is stopping you but if I want clean un-fluoridated water i'm attacked by the people that say it's good for you just drink as much of it as you like and it will be a healthy part of your life, yeah right ffs wake up or is the fluoride messing with your brain ? i wonder.

    i was just explaining the facts the OP didn't know.

    i believe people can decide if it's morally right to have this fluoridation 'forced' on them. I don't really care, because i don't think it has any effect either way.

    my head hasn't been messed with, i am not under the government's telepathic influence. i'm just a scientist explaining some facts.

    "Water is water in it's purest state and anything man-made (chemicals) added to this is bang out of order". - this is nuts. there are plenty of chemicals naturally occurring in water (such as water itself!) that are good for us. oh, and some of them are bad for us, so we have to remove them or you'd die if you drank it - note that i'm not referring to the fluoride issue specifically in this case.


  • #83
    DesperateDan
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    opinion guy wrote: »
    OP

    This topic has been done recently:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78368347

    Mustn't. Get. Involved again :p Suffice to say I still came away with the same conclusion, no concrete negatives, and lots of positives.


  • #84
    zenno
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    Parsley wrote: »
    i believe people can decide if it's morally right to have this fluoridation 'forced' on them. I don't really care, because i don't think it has any effect either way.

    People are deciding now in their own minds that they want water without fluoride, this is all that is asked, the populace would agree in a referendum that it would be a human rights issue to force citizens to be medicated in a way like this.

    The whole main point in relation to this is...we all want clean water, and this is a fact, but we need to be able to choose on whether we want to be medicated through the water supply or not. We need a balance and the balance is this... end the filling of fluoride into our main water supply and the people that want fluoride can purchase it in many ways anyway but at least we have a choice. I don't care if your thinking is strict as to the fluoridation of our water-supply for human health as so many people have said, but all the other minds out here have a bloody choice as well. At the moment we in Ireland have no choice in the matter but if it was balanced with a choice then fine. Water as we all know is life giving and to add anything to it is a mistake.


  • #85
    IM0
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    tap water tastes like **** because of it, never mind the tinfoil hat brigade, thats reason in itself


  • #86
    zenno
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    IM0 wrote: »
    tap water tastes like **** because of it, never mind the tinfoil hat brigade, thats reason in itself

    Tap water here in swords about 25 years ago was amazing probably the best you could get but now most nights I go to fill a pint-glass I have to wait till the crap has run out so I can drink it. If I just fill the glass, it would be milky white for 15/20 minutes and it's caked in it. Drinking tap-water these days the way the water-pipe system is and the chemicals loaded into it is just a no-go it's really bad and they want us to pay for it in 2 years lol imagine what it will be like then. Demand change to the way water is treated because if you don't no-one else will and things like this will never change.

    So-called tinfoil hat people are not paranoid, they just want change and are also taking into account their health and well-being which is natural as the uneducated folk look ahead in denial.


  • #87
    opinion guy
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    DesperateDan wrote: »
    Mustn't. Get. Involved again :p Suffice to say I still came away with the same conclusion, no concrete negatives, and lots of positives.

    Since experience has shown none of yis ever listen to me, I will direct you to Dr Ben Goldacre, doctor, epidemiologist, author, science writer - famous for being pro mainstream med and anit hippie med:
    The reality is that anybody making any confident statement about fluoride – positive or negative – is speaking way beyond the evidence. In 1999 the Department of Health commissioned the Centre for Reviews and Dissemination at York University to do a systematic review of the evidence on the benefits of fluoridation on dental health and to look for evidence of harm. Little new work has been done since.

    http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/foreign-substances-in-your-precious-bodily-fluids/


  • #88
    c_man
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    Can't remember the last time I drank tap water tbh. It's absolute muck around here.


  • #89
    tahina
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    I know flouride is good for teeth and prevents carries and tooth decay. But as we all have been brought up to brush our teeth twice/ once a day do we
    Not get enough flouride in our tooth paste as it is? Isnt there not fears that too much flouride is bad for you? I dont know i think flouride should be left to the dental companies who produce the dental hygine products and not our ill informed gov and county councils as these trAnsnational companies have the best scientists working for them in their research and developmemt departments, who does our local councils have????


  • #90
    My name is URL
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    DesperateDan wrote: »
    Mustn't. Get. Involved again :p Suffice to say I still came away with the same conclusion, no concrete negatives, and lots of positives.

    What are the lots of positives? I'm only aware of one, and it's only likely to be of benefit to a fraction of the population that don't properly take care of their teeth. There should be a targeted approach taken instead.. if a country like Cuba can do that and show that it works more effectively, then Ireland can too.. or maybe not.


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  • #91
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Get rid of the chlorine!!

    Horrible taste
    Let the water stand overnight and the excess chlorine will evaporate off or whatever it does.

    Chlorine is there to kill bugs, fine by me. Of course we could use UV or ozone too.


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