Water fluoridation should be scrapped!

Worztron

Fluoride, or Hydrofluorosilic acid that is put into tap water is a waste by-product derived from the industrial manufacture of aerosols, aluminium, fertilizers, insecticides, lubricants, pharmaceuticals, plastics, uranium and zinc.
American toothpastes containing fluoride are by law obliged to state, '"WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately."
It is also a Part II Poison under the UK Poisons Act 1972 ranking in toxicity above lead and just below arsenic.
Hitler used fluoride in the water to induce docility.

10 Facts about Fluoride: http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-facts.htm
50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation: http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
Adverse health effects of fluoride: http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health

opinion guy

Godwinned with first word. I've actually never seen that before

opinion guy

opinion guy wrote: »

Godwinned with first word. I've actually never seen that before

Hitler drank water! Ban water!!

Jaafa

Hey you know what else is a base ingredient of Prozac?

Oxygen.

That's right folks, all those Innocent looking trees don't look so friendly now eh?

EDIT: I love how Op moved the word Hitler down the post a little.

BigBabyTaylor

I would think that the dangers you are warning about are only if you take the chemicals straight and a lot of them. Where as if its mixed in with a reservoir of drinking water its very diluted.

Aren't they put into water to clean it and strengthen teeth or something?

*Too lazy to click links so probably completely wrong

Pushtrak

BigBabyTaylor

BigBabyTaylor wrote: »

I would think that the dangers you are warning about are only if you take the chemicals straight and a lot of them. Where as if its mixed in with a reservoir of drinking water its very diluted.

Aren't they put into water to clean it and strengthen teeth or something?

*Too lazy to click links so probably completely wrong

Fluoride prevents tooth decay.

opinion guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Fluoride prevents tooth decay.

Ban teeth!!!!!:eek:

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Fluoride prevents tooth decay.

It's super effective too. I don't know anyone that has ever had a filling

Worztron

Deleted User wrote: »

Fluoride prevents tooth decay.

Thats what toothpaste is for.

mikemac1

Free drugs piped right to your home

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

It's super effective too. I don't know anyone that has ever had a filling

Did you know that some people have died in car crashes while wearing seatbelts?

Clearly this means seatbelts are useless and we should ban them.

Worztron

Jaafa wrote: »

Hey you know what else is a base ingredient of Prozac?

Oxygen.

That's right folks, all those Innocent looking trees don't look so friendly now eh?

EDIT: I love how Op moved the word Hitler down the post a little.

Thats what the edit button is there for. Did you even read the articles?

ChunkyLover_53

Are we still Doing this?

Considering a good percentage of our water is pissed away through leaky pipes & the parts of the West of Ireland get brown sludge from their taps, is the flouride added having any effect at all?

How are we still adding this to our water supply on a regular basis but yet we can't get grit & salt for icy roads?

Does it take much to flouride in the system to have an effect?

Plus why do the vast majority of our population have teeth like broken urinals if this stuff is meant to be helping?

opinion guy

Jaafa wrote: »

EDIT: I love how Op moved the word Hitler down the post a little.

Worztron wrote: »

Thats what the edit button is there for. Did you even read the articles?

:eek:

You took away my funnies :mad:

don't like you anymore now op


...but you've still start a thread godwinned in first post

christmas2012

people should have a choice as to whether they want their water flouridated or not,but it is a hard one to pull off

drunkmonkey

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Are we still Doing this?

We sure are, my local water smells toxic, i'd say the water in Springfield tastes better, I'll don't mind paying for water but i'm not paying for the toxic shoite that smells like chemicals coming out of my tap.

Worztron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

opinion guy

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Considering a good percentage of our water is pissed away through leaky pipes & the parts of the West of Ireland get brown sludge from their taps, is the flouride added having any effect at all?

Ban cryptosporidium!!!!!

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you know that some people have died in car crashes while wearing seatbelts?

Clearly this means seatbelts are useless and we should ban them.

Look, as I said to you before, maybe you should just start brushing your teeth.

opinion guy

OP

This topic has been done recently:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78368347

TheChizler

Damn those commies, impurifying our precious bodily fluids!

Worztron

Pushtrak wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAXwv7j_jbY&feature=player_embedded

97%+ of European countries don't have water fluoridation.

Pushtrak

Worztron wrote: »

97%+ of European countries don't have water fluoridation.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the video I linked. I'm rewatching it as I hadn't seen it in ages. Anyway, go to 10:18 for myths associated with fluoridation.

Dave!

There's a legitimate debate to be had about flouridation, but the OP is so full of lies and misleading crap that it's obvious that the OP is a lunatic, tinfoil hat-wearing nutjob, so this thread isn't the place to have it...

Suffice to say, toxicity is dose-dependent, so there's a difference between ingesting a tube of toothpaste, and a glass of flourinated water.

Sorry OP, but you're either scaremongering, or you've bought into someone else's scaremongering.

As for your articles, they all come from a site dedicated to the dangers of fluoridation. Hardly a scientific approach.

Worztron

true-or-false wrote: »

Sorry OP, but you're either scaremongering, or you've bought into someone else's scaremongering.

As for your articles, they all come from a site dedicated to the dangers of fluoridation. Hardly a scientific approach.

I am not scaremongering.

Why is water fluoridation used so little in the majority of developed countries?

Worztron

Dave! wrote: »

There's a legitimate debate to be had about flouridation, but the OP is so full of lies and misleading crap that it's obvious that the OP is a lunatic, tinfoil hat-wearing nutjob, so this thread isn't the place to have it...

Suffice to say, toxicity is dose-dependent, so there's a difference between ingesting a tube of toothpaste, and a glass of flourinated water.

I take offense to those insults! They must be letting any old Tom, Dick and Harry be a moderator these days.

Pushtrak

Worztron wrote: »

I am not scaremongering.

I'm assuming the best, that scaremongering isn't your intent. I will say though, you don't really have much credibility at the moment. It is like a young earth creationist citing answers in genesis. Do better.

charlemont

Ireland uses fluoride=Ireland lowest IQ in EU..

My name is URL

Worztron wrote: »

I take offense to those insults! They must be letting any old Tom, Dick and Harry be a moderator these days.

Nah, he's right about making claims regarding the health effects of fluoride. It totally weakens the argument for discontinuing the process.

It's been done here for 60 years.. Do you know a single person who has had any illness which was linked to fluoride?

Worztron

Pushtrak wrote: »

I'm assuming the best, that scaremongering isn't your intent. I will say though, you don't really have much credibility at the moment. It is like a young earth creationist citing answers in genesis. Do better.

Don't you dare compare me to a young earth creationist. I don't believe in that BS.

Worztron

Worztron wrote: »

I am not scaremongering.

Why is water fluoridation used so little in the majority of developed countries?

Because it increases business for dentists?? I don't know! We should make decisions based on the pros and cons of fluoridation, not just what the other kids in the yard are doing...

At the end of the day, if you can afford the dentist bills, you can afford to buy bottled water.

Worztron

My name is URL wrote: »

Nah, he's right about making claims regarding the health effects of fluoride. It totally weakens the argument for discontinuing the process.

It's been done here for 60 years.. Do you know a single person who has had any illness which was linked to fluoride?

If is was so great - EVERY developed country would have it implemented.

My name is URL

Worztron wrote: »

If is was so great - EVERY developed country would have it implemented.

Hey, I never said anything about it being great!

It may have been a great idea 50 odd years ago when foodstuffs and other fluoride containing items weren't so widely available, but it's in pretty much everything now, so imo there's no need to add it to the water.

Here's a list of stuff which contains fluorides, and the amounts within - http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Fluoride/fluoride.pdf

It's in bottled water too btw. It occurs naturally in most water souces.

Pushtrak

Worztron wrote: »

Don't you dare compare me to a young earth creationist. I don't believe in that BS.

I could have substituted many things in their place, such as vaccine denialism, UFO abductions, big foot, telepathy or a number of other things. The important point I was going for was not the specific idea but rather that if you want to try to bring people around to a way of thinking, that was of thinking has to be sound. And you have to present it in a sound way, with sound sources. There can be a discussion on this, yes, but I'd rather avoid the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) type propaganda. Serves no purpose.

Stompbox

Worztron wrote: »

If is was so great - EVERY developed country would have it implemented.

If I recall correctly, Ireland was the first nation (one of them anyway) to introduce the smoking ban. By your logic, it should never have been implemented at all.

charlemont

charlemont wrote: »

Ireland uses fluoride=Ireland lowest IQ in EU..

If you're getting the "lowest iq in Europe" thing from that book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" you should know that it has been widely debunked.

Capt'n Midnight

Ripper:

Ah, naah. We're ok here. Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridated water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream?

Mandrake:

Good Lord.

Ripper:

You know when fluoridation first began?

Mandrake:

No. No, I don't, Jack. No.

Ripper:

Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

Mandrake:

Jack... Jack, listen, tell me, ah... when did you first become, well, develop this theory.

Ripper:

Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Mandrake:

sighs fearfully

Ripper:

Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

Mandrake:

Yes...

RiRipper:

I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women... women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.

Mandrake:

Heh heh... yes.

The real problem is women steeling your essence if you avoid them then fluoride isn't a problem

Worztron

Stompbox wrote: »

If I recall correctly, Ireland was the first nation (one of them anyway) to introduce the smoking ban. By your logic, it should never have been implemented at all.

That is a straw man.
Passive smoking is harmful, I am in full agreement with that ban. We can live perfectly healthy without water fluoridation - ask the Germans.

Siuin

Worztron wrote: »

Fluoride, or Hydrofluorosilic acid that is put into tap water is a waste by-product derived from the industrial manufacture of aerosols, aluminium, fertilizers, insecticides, lubricants, pharmaceuticals, plastics, uranium and zinc.

If you're in a half decent relationship, you'll be swallowing this on a regular basis anyway

Worztron

Worztron wrote: »

We can live perfectly healthy without water fluoridation - ask the Germans.

So are you saying it doesn't help prevent tooth decay or are you saying people should use other methods to prevent it?

6 month check ups are great if you can afford them, but I for one haven't been able to afford to go to the dentist for a few years now... People wont die without fluoride, but if it's helping some people and there's no reports of it harming us what's the problem?

Worztron

true-or-false wrote: »

So are you saying it doesn't help prevent tooth decay or are you saying people should use other methods to prevent it?

6 month check ups are great if you can afford them, but I for one haven't been able to afford to go to the dentist for a few years now... People wont die without fluoride, but if it's helping some people and there's no reports of it harming us what's the problem?

If you want to prevent tooth decay - brush your teeth twice daily, floss, minimise sugar etc.

I'd much rather drink plain tap water.

Worztron

Worztron wrote: »

I'd much rather drink plain tap water.

How is "what you'd rather" a reason to get rid of fluoride?

I'm sure my teeth wouldn't see a huge difference if water wasn't fluoridated, but I just don't see any reasons why not.

Worztron

true-or-false wrote: »

I'm sure my teeth wouldn't see a huge difference if water wasn't fluoridated, but I just don't see any reasons why not.

Well you've just hit the nail on the head there.

Then what is the reason for?

Worztron

Worztron wrote: »

Well you've just hit the nail on the head there.

Then what is the reason for?

Because it helps. Better safe than sorry. While it wont make the difference between hollywood smile and toothless grin, some people benefit, so why not?
Still though, after all this thread you haven't actually given an argument for stopping.

Pushtrak

Worztron wrote: »

Well you've just hit the nail on the head there.

Then what is the reason for?

Except...

Worztron

true-or-false wrote: »

Because it helps. Better safe than sorry. While it wont make the difference between hollywood smile and toothless grin, some people benefit, so why not?
Still though, after all this thread you haven't actually given an argument for stopping.

Read back over my posts. The poll begs to differ with you.

partyatmygaff

Worztron wrote: »

Hydroxide, or dihydrogen monoxide (Because an ion and its parent molecule are the same thing obviously) that is found in tap water is a waste by-product derived from the industrial manufacture of ammonia, sulfuric acid, pharmaceuticals and insecticides. It's even a byproduct of human/animal/plant respiration and excretion!

Look at how much dangerous stuff this chemical is involved in. Let's ban it quick before the government starts using it to control our minds!

fyp

Pushtrak

Worztron wrote: »

Read back over my posts. The poll begs to differ with you.

Even if this poll had three times as many going your way and that was to be a point you would use to defend it, that would be the logical fallacy of argument ad populum. But even at that, you don't actually have this.

Your approach is flawed. Instead of trying to say that there are no benefits, which has been documented as being erroneous, try pointing out the risks. Oh, the risks are too much fluoridation. Yes, a case can be made about risks involved when this is brought up. But, by the same token, it can actually be harmful for people to have too much cod liver oil, or any medication they need to be on. Should we not use medicine because of the risks?

Worztron

partyatmygaff wrote: »

fyp

No, you just made up stuff. Stop fabricating things I've not posted.