We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

Public servants are worth it. Every penny, give over now about it.

mbiking123 wrote: »

ya other reasons are paying back bond holders etc etc

When a guy ona building site is paid 70,000 a year why would they want to work in a video shop or factor on 20,000 or even average industrial wage of 39,000 (during boom)

thier is no one earning 70 k on building sites today , nor has thier been for several years , if their was , thier would be no reasonto cut ps wages as thats where the revenue for increased ps spending came from

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mbiking123 wrote: »

Ok first of all, a clerical officer starts on a wage below the net figure you gave

It's not my figure

Originally Posted by smelly sock
I am a clerical officer that earns 445 a week after tax.

Whats the bonus ? none for a clerical officer - a job for life

mbiking123 wrote: »

The reason why clerical officers are paid slightly higher is to attract a better qualified/educated person. Many CO that I know have a third level education. Alot of low paid private sector jobs are unable to attract Irish workers and end up that only foreign workers will do them. Currently well paid jobs in private sector in IT, CISCO in Galway recently announced 100 new jobs which will be well paid jobs. In the end its all about if people want your skill set. If you have Junior Cert then you will end up in a lower paid job, better education then the better job. Its all about competing for those jobs

So what is this required skill set specific to a clerical officer? Is it a 4 year course?



I'm gathering from your post they are better educated and more importantly, Irish not foreign.

woodoo wrote: »

I recognise that poster who can't spell their irishh_bob is it?

Bingo

mbiking123 wrote: »

Well I dont know how they calculate the figures so, I believe 20,000 is starting pay for CO - gross

As I said to attract better educated, and as I said Irish people dont want the lower paid jobs and being filled by foreign nationals. I cant verify if they are better educated, but the civil service wishes to attract them hence the aptitude test and interview looking for education qualifications etc. You can do an aptitude test online to see how well you are suited, its on government website

What makes you think foreign people are not wanted in public sector with froeign nationals recruited into Garda, garda reserves, Defence Forces etc etc

Civil Service Clerical Officer
They carry out a wide range of tasks including recording, amending, up dating and storing information. They may also be responsible for general office duties such as filing, answering the phone, photocopying etc.


Work Activities
Clerical Officers may be engaged in drafting letters, asking for or giving factual information, making and checking calculations, analysing reports, preparing, scrutinising and verifying documents, statistics, records, etc. They may also be engaged in operating office equipment such as computer terminals, photocopiers and fax machines etc. They may deal with enquiries at a reception desk and answer telephone calls.

You should be methodical and careful in your work. Some clerical duties can be repetitive, so you must be comfortable with this and able to keep your concentration and accuracy at all times.

Good organisational skills are needed, for example, to manage filing systems.

Good literacy and number skills will be important, for example, when completing forms or composing straightforward letters.

Good communication skills written and verbal are desirable in a clerical officer.



I don't mind foreigners, once they got the skills, same as most other people. Based on merit.

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

youre really good at looking stuff up on the internet? Facts are impressive if they relate to your argument?

:pac: Do you not have the internet? You should get it, it's great:pac:

You want the truth?
You can't handle the truth:D

micropig wrote: »

It's a pity we didn't pay anyone to regulate them and enforce rules.


As you say yourself 'we have no money' - Bankrupt country = time for cuts

Private sector banks dragging us all down, cant understand how it happened, but hey lets just blame public sector workers and make them take all the cuts! Simple

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0503/1224315512677.html

"most recent figures produced by the Comptroller and Auditor General showed that 40 per cent of civil servants took no sick leave at all, and that the average amount of uncertified sick leave taken by each employee was well below two days in a year."

Some departments seem to be worse offenders than others


03/05/2012
SICK leave has increased in five government departments -- including the Taoiseach's -- despite a promise in the Croke Park deal to cut it by 10pc.

An investigation by the Irish Independent shows that staff at the Department of Social Protection took more sick leave than any of the other 15 government departments.

They took a total of 13-and-a-half sick days each last year, compared with just over 12 days the previous year -- at an estimated cost of over €9m to the taxpayer.

The number of days lost to illness also increased in the Department of Health, Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Department of Education and Skills, and Department of the Taoiseach last year.

............
The survey showed the average number of days taken by staff at the Department of Health was just under 12 each, up from 10 days in 2010.

Average sick leave rose slightly from 11.4 to 11-and-a-half days in the Department of Jobs, and from six days to eight in the Taoiseach's department.

This compares with an average 7.7 days taken by workers in comparable private sector businesses with over 500 employees, according to employer group IBEC.

Overall, the average number of days taken in all 16 government departments dropped by around 5pc, from nine to eight-and-a-half days. But this does not meet the Croke Park target.

The Department of Social Protection, where sick leave is highest, said long-term absences pushed up the number of working days lost. It said 17,439 days, or 24pc, of all working days lost were due to 103 absences of six months or more.

woodoo wrote: »

A message to all public servants lets all take tomorrow off sick.... ye haaaa

I would if I could but in this climate I would probably get sacked.