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If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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    #512
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    dvpower wrote: »
    ... and maybe a figure for the amounts that priests and religious have drawn down in salaries from the Dept. of Education for jobs that they didn't have to compete for to get.

    ....and deduct the value of the land that was provided by the religious etc etc etc. Like it or not, it's total rubbish to suggest that the tax payer paid 100% of the cost of establishing our primary and secondary education system.


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    #513
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    Then your point is redundant, have a read of my post that you responded to and point out anything that is false... it's plainly there who traditionally provided the lands, paid towards building costs, contributed to running costs... and guess what? It was the church. Only in recent years has that started to change. So comments like...
    .

    "recent years"....?

    National/primary has been locally and state funded since its inception in the early 1800's, to the best of my knowledge, whatever about secondary 'voluntaries'.

    We're talking about a teenage mother being refused schooling now, by the way.


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    #514
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    ....and deduct the value of the land that was provided by the religious etc etc etc. .....

    ...then adjust for the shortfall in abuse payments.


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    #515
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    prinz wrote: »
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    Sound great and all, but don't actually reflect the reality of the history of our national school system.

    HA HA I give precisely zero f*cks about the history :)

    These so-called Christian schools are funded by the state and are being judgemental pricks to single mothers.


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    #516
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    "recent years"....?

    Did you read it yourself?
    New arrangements were introduced in 1999.

    Maybe you missed that bit.
    Nodin wrote: »
    We're talking about a teenage mother being refused schooling now, by the way.

    Good man.


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    #517
    languagenerd
    Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Yes, because everything must be financialized..!


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    #518
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    HA HA I give precisely zero f*cks about the history :).

    I thought as much. No suprise you'd be so very wrong then is it?


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    #519
    Jogathon
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Jogathon


    This is very strange. I can't believe any teacher/principal would behave in this way. I went to a Catholic school, we had girls who were pregnant in school with us, they stayed and sat their exams with no problem, just support. This was in mid-90's so it wasn't the dark ages and it wasn't recently either.

    What I would like to know is how much say the teachers in the school have with regard to this... the principal sounds like a complete autocrat and it must be hell to work there.


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    #520
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    prinz wrote: »
    ....and deduct the value of the land that was provided by the religious etc etc etc.

    and add the land and money that was donated by ordinary people to the church specifically for the provision of education services ... its not as if it was sent over by head office.


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    #521
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    prinz wrote: »
    I thought as much. No suprise you'd be so very wrong then is it?

    But, I'm not wrong lol.:pac:

    Why should I care that they own the land? Seriously. They're biggots.


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    #522
    omega666
    Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭omega666


    Jogathon wrote: »
    This is very strange. I can't believe any teacher/principal would behave in this way. I went to a Catholic school, we had girls who were pregnant in school with us, they stayed and sat their exams with no problem, just support. This was in mid-90's so it wasn't the dark ages and it wasn't recently either.

    What I would like to know is how much say the teachers in the school have with regard to this... the principal sounds like a complete autocrat and it must be hell to work there.



    people don't seem to grasp that different schools have different admission policies, catholic or not. this particular school had a policy that they didn't want to admit pregnant teenagers who had already dropped out of two schools. they have a certain standard and that's their choice.

    dosen't mean that all catholic schools have the same policy, i'm sure the teenager got accepted to another catholic school in the end.


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    #523
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    omega666 wrote: »
    people don't seem to grasp that different schools have different admission policies, catholic or not. this particular school had a policy that they didn't want to admit pregnant teenagers who had already dropped out of two schools. they have a certain standard and that's their choice.

    dosen't mean that all catholic schools have the same policy, i'm sure the teenager got accepted to another catholic school in the end.

    So if a school has a 'no blacks' policy you are okay with that? Nice one.


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    #524
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Tbh I can't get my head around a school being founded, owned and managed by one person. Surely to get state funding the Department would have insisted on decent separation of powers, corporate governance etc.


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    #525
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    omega666 wrote: »
    people don't seem to grasp that different schools have different admission policies, catholic or not. this particular school had a policy that they didn't want to admit pregnant teenagers who had already dropped out of two schools. they have a certain standard and that's their choice.
    People grasp this very well, and find it unacceptable.


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    #526
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    omega666 wrote: »
    people don't seem to grasp that different schools have different admission policies, catholic or not. this particular school had a policy that they didn't want to admit pregnant teenagers who had already dropped out of two schools. they have a certain standard and that's their choice.

    dosen't mean that all catholic schools have the same policy, i'm sure the teenager got accepted to another catholic school in the end.

    We've no idea what their admissions policy is, because they have none defined that we can tell.

    No mention of "dropped out" was made.

    Are you saying that somebody having a child is "below" some standard or other? If so, what standard would that be?

    You never got back to me on this earlier either....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78426295&postcount=367


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    #527
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    Did you read it yourself?



    Maybe you missed that bit.

    You're stating that state funding started for voluntary secondaries in 1999?


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    #528
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Nodin wrote: »
    Somehow I think - if the circumstances demanded it - I could have made the point without mentioning "career scumbag", "drug gang" "pyromaniac psycopath" etc. In fact I'm fairly positive. It looks like an attempt to undermine or blacken one of the parties to me. Why, I have no idea.

    You still haven't explained why somebody can't make a presumption/assumption, based on the principals correspondence released by the Ombudsman in the report.

    I have. i said it doesn't give all the facts necessary. I've said it many times. Why would i want to undermine or blacken anyones name? I have no stake in this.


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    #529
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    You're stating that state funding started for voluntary secondaries in 1999?

    No. Please read the link I provided of you want to discuss it.


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    #530
    languagenerd
    Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    omega666 wrote: »
    people don't seem to grasp that different schools have different admission policies, catholic or not. this particular school had a policy that they didn't want to admit pregnant teenagers who had already dropped out of two schools. they have a certain standard and that's their choice.

    dosen't mean that all catholic schools have the same policy, i'm sure the teenager got accepted to another catholic school in the end.

    Did you miss the posts that explained that this school didn't have a written admissions policy? It was one man making it up as he went along, seemingly on a case by case basis.

    And even it was written in an admissions policy, many people still would not find it acceptable.


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    #531
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭emo72


    one thing i noticed. its always the same old pricks arguing on controversial threads. do i need to list the names. obviously they have no lifes.


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    #532
    Mr.Biscuits
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Mr.Biscuits


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G333Is7VPOg


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    #533
    omega666
    Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭omega666


    Nodin wrote: »
    We've no idea what their admissions policy is, because they have none defined that we can tell.

    No mention of "dropped out" was made.

    Are you saying that somebody having a child is "below" some standard or other? If so, what standard would that be?

    You never got back to me on this earlier either....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78426295&postcount=367


    mention of made in the article of being enroled in 2 schools previously..

    The standard of not being a single teenage mother. Like it or not it not an
    desireable or normal suitation to be in.

    i missed your earlier post, the point i was making is i pay my tax's the same as you and have no problem with funding of these types of schools. judging by the aparent popularity of the school it seems the local tax paying community are in agreement.


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    #534
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    omega666 wrote: »
    mention of made in the article of being enroled in 2 schools previously...

    "dropped out" has a negative connotation.
    omega666 wrote: »
    The standard of not being a single teenage mother. Like it or not it not an
    desireable or normal suitation to be in. ...

    It is not a criminal offence, however. It is not desirable or normal to be confined to a wheelchair either, are you saying that is "below" some standard.
    omega666 wrote: »
    i missed your earlier post, the point i was making is i pay my tax's the same as you and have no problem with funding of these types of schools.
    .

    Why would you? They don't discriminate against anyone and have good records.
    omega666 wrote: »
    judging by the aparent popularity of the school it seems the local tax paying community are in agreement.

    Some undoubtedly are. However we all pay towards it, and we all aren't happy at its discriminatory policies.


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    #535
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I have. i said it doesn't give all the facts necessary...........


    It gives the principals position, rather bluntly stated. Again - why can't somebody make a presumption/assumption, based on the principals correspondence released by the Ombudsman in the report?


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    #536
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    I did find a certain irony in the words of the Childrens Ombudsman describing this 16 year old as '' a child '' - seems to me she wants it both ways - be a ' grown-up ' with a baby ( and doubtless an entitlement to all manner of state benefits ) and yet wants to be seen as a downtrodden ' child ' - whats it to be then ?


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    #537
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Delancey wrote: »
    I did find a certain irony in the words of the Childrens Ombudsman describing this 16 year old as '' a child '' - seems to me she wants it both ways - be a ' grown-up ' with a baby ( and doubtless an entitlement to all manner of state benefits ) and yet wants to be seen as a downtrodden ' child ' - whats it to be then ?

    In the eyes of the law 16 is a child. Certain benefits are given to under 18's. OPFA and some disability payments are paid directly to the claimant.


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    #538
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Delancey wrote: »
    I did find a certain irony in the words of the Childrens Ombudsman describing this 16 year old as '' a child '' - seems to me she wants it both ways - be a ' grown-up ' with a baby ( and doubtless an entitlement to all manner of state benefits ) and yet wants to be seen as a downtrodden ' child ' - whats it to be then ?

    That's an awful lot of assumption in just one sentence.


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    #539
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Delancey wrote: »
    I did find a certain irony in the words of the Childrens Ombudsman describing this 16 year old as '' a child '' - seems to me she wants it both ways - be a ' grown-up ' with a baby ( and doubtless an entitlement to all manner of state benefits ) and yet wants to be seen as a downtrodden ' child ' - whats it to be then ?

    I usually find it breaks down the rights/responsibilities line. You want all the rights of an adult, but when it comes to shouldering the responsibilies ah sure you're just a child. You'll see the same with a lot of hard men about town, who turn back into boys when it comes to the courtroom.


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    #540
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    My patience is really sorely tested by some of the crap here...
    Delancey wrote: »
    I did find a certain irony in the words of the Childrens Ombudsman describing this 16 year old as '' a child '' - ?

    Legally thats what she is. A minor.
    Delancey wrote: »
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    seems to me she wants it both ways - be a ' grown-up ' with a baby ( and doubtless an entitlement to all manner of state benefits ) and yet wants to be seen as a downtrodden ' child ' - whats it to be then ?

    Theres been no mention of benefits whatsoever.

    Theres been no statement from the child, whatsoever.

    So far, all we know is that she wants to go to secondary school, which would put her as acting like a reasonably adjusted minor.

    Therefore I have to ask - what - exactly and precisely - led to you stating "seems to me".


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    #541
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    No. Please read the link I provided of you want to discuss it.

    I have no idea what you're on about. State has always part funded the national /primaries. The only question is to when they started paying towards the secondary schools which are/were church run.


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