We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

Gumbo · 28-04-2012 10:22PM

micropig wrote: »

no, on my phone, can you not just read it?

i don't have the energy to spoon fed

In other words, no, its not in the article. i had a drink and then the thought came to my head, hey, leys make something up :pac: :pac: :pac:

micropig · 28-04-2012 10:26PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

No seniority is gone, long gone. Actually mainly based on annual reports. If and only if the points are the same through interview, annual reports etc will it be based on seniority. This is rare as most people dont have exactly same annual reports, interview marks etc.

Ineficency in public sector, as if never happens in private sector. I had to tell IT dept in Vodafone their job recently. Or what about 30 mins waiting to get through to UPC to report signal not working, then to be asked if anyone else in my area having same problem - I dont know , thats there job. Then they said it was ok it must be my TV - guess what it was there problem in the end and they still charged me despite loss of service over a number of days. The list goes on and on. Just remember only problems in public sector !!!!!

any links to back up those claims

30 mins waiting
, i know some people waiting 9 months for a medical card..but that's obviously not as important as the issue with your phone, carry on

i think the phone company would be out of business if they expected people to wait 9 monhs before processing applications

and on the subject of phones,departments are well known for not answering theres ... passport office, medical card office...

mbiking123 · 28-04-2012 10:30PM

micropig wrote: »

any links to back up those claims

Ah come on

Better still join the public sector, that right you cant no recruiting.

try the army, they are recruiting - if you can hack it !

mbiking123 · 28-04-2012 10:31PM

micropig wrote: »

any links to back up those claims

30 mins waiting
, i know some people waiting 9 months for a medical card..

i think the phone company would be out of business if they expected people to wait 9 monhs before processing applications

Would have been if I did not resolve the problem

woodoo · 28-04-2012 10:34PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

try the army, they are recruiting - if you can hack it !

Private Micropig Pyle:

This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

micropig · 28-04-2012 10:42PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

Ah come on

Better still join the public sector, that right you cant no recruiting.

try the army, they are recruiting - if you can hack it !

Why do I need to change positions, I have a great job thanks..but maybe I will, I could claim the period allowance then:pac::pac:

kceire wrote: »

In other words, no, its not in the article. i had a drink and then the thought came to my head, hey, leys make something up :pac: :pac: :pac:

Yes, maybe your not reading the article right, or not reading the right article,

Typical public sector response: Feed me it line by line and then I will still say I can't see it, I need the information again- Is this the reason for all the 'incomplete' applications holding up the processing in certain departments

woodoo wrote: »

Private Micropig Pyle:

This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Good answer, at least you don't disagree a lot of the public sector are lazy

mbiking123 · 28-04-2012 10:46PM

micropig wrote: »

Why do I need to change positions, I have a great job thanks..but maybe I will, I could claim the period allowance then:pac::pac:

Yes,

period allowance ? that a woman thing ?

micropig · 28-04-2012 10:46PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

Would have been if I did not resolve the problem

So you rang about a problem you could of fixed yourself?? Typical public sector, get someone else to do it, it's not in my job description and I don't get an allowance to do it

Or did you realise that your phone was working, as you where on hold, connected to the phone company? Did it take you 30 mins to figure that out?

So 9 month waiting list?...no comment on that I see

micropig · 28-04-2012 10:48PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

period allowance ? that a woman thing ?

Female soldiers get an extra allowance to cover the cost of their 'extra needs';);):pac::pac:

mbiking123 · 28-04-2012 10:53PM

micropig wrote: »

Female soldiers get an extra allowance to cover the cost of their 'extra needs';);):pac::pac:

Ah nicker allowance, that one going too. Be careful you will have womens lib after ya for that

walking on dangerous ground there

if mod a woman you'll be banned for life

micropig · 28-04-2012 11:06PM

mbiking123 wrote: »

Ah nicker allowance, that one going too. Be careful you will have womens lib after ya for that

walking on dangerous ground there

if mod a woman you'll be banned for life

Depends what week of the month it is:D:pac:

BornToKill · 28-04-2012 11:36PM

OP: "We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages".

I see we're still waiting then ...

MagicSean · 28-04-2012 11:42PM

micropig wrote: »

Female soldiers get an extra allowance to cover the cost of their 'extra needs';);):pac::pac:

micropig wrote: »

Depends what week of the month it is:D:pac:

Can a person be banned from using smileys? I know they are the main part of all your posts but you kinda overuse them.

micropig · 28-04-2012 11:56PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Can a person be banned from using smileys? I know they are the main part of all your posts but you kinda overuse them.

:D

Do the pictures distract you from the excess in the public sector highlighted in my posts?

I thought it'd be easier, like reading a comic;)

:pac:

Which allowances would you like to see cut?

micropig · 29-04-2012 12:15AM

By and large, they will apply to new entrants only

The above is the main problem with the manner in which they are trying to reform the public sector,

All the useless slack and fatcats will still retain theirs:mad: rewarded the same as the good / better than the average worker

Also the type of top civil servants being paid €160,000/year and not even in the country when their department is in crisis..suppose it makes no difference as he is rarely in the country anyway

Ms Sara Burke exposed the fact that Dr. Martin Connor, the Minister’s key adviser, spends a considerable amount of time out of this country. He is the Minister’s four star general and he is on a salary of €160,000. I am not questioning his ability or capability when dealing with issues but the Minister would be apoplectic with rage if the previous Minister announced that her top adviser was not in the country on a full-time basis dealing with the serious issue of waiting lists. That issue is a cental tenet of the Minister’s policy. We need to get clarity on the amount of time Dr. Connor spends in the country and, more importantly, what the special delivery unit is now charged with in terms of waiting lists because to date it seems to be failing quite rapidly.

Oh and if any one cares to look up where the 'manger' or whatever he calls himself of a certain hospital in Drogheda lives and where Drogheda is on the map, you'll suddenly realise why the hospital has so many issues:mad:

votecounts · 29-04-2012 12:31AM

A lot of PS workers are well overpaid, be it nurses, teachers, guards, middle management and minister advisers who i believe shoudn't be there in the first place. The coutry is in the toilet and these workers won't take the hit, they're protected by the CPA, WHICH should be in shreds but neither FG or LAB have the will to tackle this issue and would rather hit the disabled or the austistic and one parent families.

mbiking123 · 29-04-2012 01:45AM

votecounts wrote: »

A lot of PS workers are well overpaid, be it nurses, teachers, guards, middle management and minister advisers who i believe shoudn't be there in the first place. The coutry is in the toilet and these workers won't take the hit, they're protected by the CPA, WHICH should be in shreds but neither FG or LAB have the will to tackle this issue and would rather hit the disabled or the austistic and one parent families.

How do people come to this conclusion

if a nurse is overpaid for example compared to the UK, then how come a UK nurse will have cheaper grocery, mortgage etc. If compare to Switzerland then we are not overpaid as their wages are higher. In the end our lowest paid are paid more than UK lowest paid so that will continue all the way up the chain.

grenache · 29-04-2012 01:50AM

Keeping the Croke Park agreement is akin to cutting off our nose to spite our face. The country cannot afford it. Not that any civil servant will admit to it.

micropig · 29-04-2012 01:56AM

mbiking123 wrote: »

How do people come to this conclusion

if a nurse is overpaid for example compared to the UK, then how come a UK nurse will have cheaper grocery, mortgage etc. If compare to Switzerland then we are not overpaid as their wages are higher. In the end our lowest paid are paid more than UK lowest paid so that will continue all the way up the chain.

I don't know much about nurses salaries, but I do know they work all sorts of hours and do an important job.Nurses Aides have taken a lot of their more tradition duties off their hands. I don't begrudge them their wage..but will have a look:D

Middle mangers and other higher grade scales are the issue, but their wages will not be touched in any reviews, mostly new entrants only, So it will take until the service is totally staffed by this years and subsequent years recruitment until the service is fully reformed.....

mbiking123 · 29-04-2012 01:57AM

grenache wrote: »

Keeping the Croke Park agreement is akin to cutting off our nose to spite our face. The country cannot afford it. Not that any civil servant will admit to it.

yes we cannot afford to pay the debt of the banks, Enda Kenny said we all lost the run of ourselves. I did not loose the run of myself, only own one property. Why is this my fault ? never earned near 50,000 during the boom and yet many of my private sector friends earned over this, I can remember it was the thing to say to earn over 50k a year. A person on the building was on 70,000+ a year, I know myself. I was looking at them wondering did I take the right option now the recession is all my fault !

mbiking123 · 29-04-2012 02:00AM

micropig wrote: »

I don't know much about nurses salaries, but I do know they work all sorts of hours and do an important job.Nurses Aides have taken a lot of their more tradition duties off their hands. I don't begrudge them their wage..but will have a look:D

Middle mangers and other higher grade scales are the issue, but their wages will not be touched in any reviews, mostly new entrants only, So it will take until the service is totally staffed by this years and subsequent years recruitment until the service is fully reformed.....

well I cannot argue that one, lets just keep it to higher paid. Not all public sector are on big money. I cant see why someone on 20,000 cant be given a pay increment. Its such small money

golden lane · 29-04-2012 02:08AM

mbiking123 wrote: »

How do people come to this conclusion

if a nurse is overpaid for example compared to the UK, then how come a UK nurse will have cheaper grocery, mortgage etc. If compare to Switzerland then we are not overpaid as their wages are higher. In the end our lowest paid are paid more than UK lowest paid so that will continue all the way up the chain.

ps workers are paid by the taxpayers......so if you get, then somebody else looses......

the country is having to borrow to pay the ps workers at the moment.....you were paid the last 5 years with money that the banks borrowed and lent to the public.....

is it ok to be paid on borrowed money......

madison2011 · 29-04-2012 02:09AM

Person over 18yrs on a FAS course gets 40e a day. Fair enough.

At the top of the scale the teacher (fireman/garda/nurse/civil servant) gets about 100e a day NET - if they are lucky to be full-time.Teacher pays the rest of 'income' back into the system so that the 'system' can keep going. Sounds about right to me. This pension is not worth a damn by the time its due, so its a donation of sorts and the pension reserve fund is borrowed out in any case.

People claiming double allowances (e.g single parents/disability/FAS training) get maybe 80e a day. Sounds Ok.

People on 33,000e in the private sector NET about 100e a day.

So whats the problem? We are all scum in nearly equal measures.

micropig · 29-04-2012 02:14AM

madison2011 wrote: »

Person over 18yrs on a FAS course gets 40e a day. Fair enough.

At the top of the scale the teacher (fireman/garda/nurse/civil servant) gets about 100e a day NET - if they are lucky to be full-time.Teacher pays the rest of 'income' back into the system so that the 'system' can keep going. Sounds about right to me. This pension is not worth a damn by the time its due, so its a donation of sorts and the pension reserve fund is borrowed out in any case.

People claiming double allowances (e.g single parents/disability/FAS training) get maybe 80e a day. Sounds Ok.

People on 33,000e in the private sector NET about 100e a day.

So whats the problem? We are all scum in nearly equal measures.

Net is irrelevant, your figures have no meaning, sorry

mbiking123 · 29-04-2012 02:15AM

golden lane wrote: »

ps workers are paid by the taxpayers......so if you get, then somebody else looses......

the country is having to borrow to pay the ps workers at the moment.....you were paid the last 5 years with money that the banks borrowed and lent to the public.....

is it ok to be paid on borrowed money......

ya poor banks, we must pay back those loans never mind finger fingleton he deserves all that money. If we sacrifice enough Clerical Officers we can afford people like him

Smidge · 29-04-2012 02:20AM

I think what is galling a lot of people is the fact that when Joanie gets on the telly and says "no sector of society is immune to cuts" and that "everything is on the table".
Then she targets autistic children(and there have been no other children in receipt of DCA brought under review with the same vigour) under this statement.
It appears to me that these kids(who lets be honest about it, life is going to be tough on them)have little enough as it stands, but in Joan's opinion are fair game.
If kids like that and people who are on disability etc are fair game and have to be "looked at" with relation to payment, which imo are not the biggest sums of money in the country, why are the people in the public sector so shielded?
If, as Joan says "no sector of society is immune to cuts"?

mbiking123 · 29-04-2012 02:23AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

I think what is galling a lot of people is the fact that when Joanie gets on the telly and says "no sector of society is immune to cuts" and that "everything is on the table".
Then she targets autistic children(and there have been no other children in receipt of DCA brought under review with the same vigour) under this statement.
It appears to me that these kids(who lets be honest about it, life is going to be tough on them)have little enough as it stands, but in Joan's opinion are fair game.
If kids like that and people who are on disability etc are fair game and have to be "looked at" with relation to payment, which imo are not the biggest sums of money in the country, why are the people in the public sector so shielded?
If, as Joan says "no sector of society is immune to cuts"?

No public sector are not shielded

In fact its the public sector that are providing the care needed, so when they cut nurses numbers etc then that is knock on effect

madison2011 · 29-04-2012 02:25AM

micropig wrote: »

Net is irrelevant, your figures have no meaning, sorry

NET is irrelevant?????
NET pay is what is leveling us all. The money coming into the house is the single most important factor in whether you can get through the week or not.How can it be irrelevant!

golden lane · 29-04-2012 02:26AM

mbiking123 wrote: »

ya poor banks, we must pay back those loans never mind finger fingleton he deserves all that money. If we sacrifice enough Clerical Officers we can afford people like him

great idea.....or just pay what is there a fair wage............not a pot of gold...

Smidge · 29-04-2012 02:28AM

mbiking123 wrote: »

No public sector are not shielded

You say the public sector are not shielded?
So the CPA is gone then?

We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

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