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We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

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  • #302
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    LilyCricket wrote: »
    nope skoda, you just contrary :pac: (for hondaram)

    Nice thread that btw.


  • #303
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    hondasam wrote: »
    Nice thread that btw.

    thanks doll x


  • #304
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    hondasam wrote: »
    Nice thread that btw.

    She's speaking Latin again :pac:


  • #305
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    Monife wrote: »
    There are PLENTY of companies in the private sector where the employers contribute to pensions. That is the whole point of pension schemes in the work place.

    What about people who never work a day in their life but are entitled to a state pension when they reach retirement age? Now they certainly never earned their pension.

    in a private company the whole pension has to be earned......

    of course they never have....and if it was up to me...they wouldn't get one ...unless they could prove the could not get a job.....

    i am a child of the forties...so there was genuine unemploymet....


  • #306
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    hondasam wrote: »
    Nice thread that btw.
    LilyCricket wrote: »
    thanks doll x

    Chucken?


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  • #307
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Monife wrote: »
    She's speaking Latin again :pac:

    You'd get an allowance for that in the public sector ;)


  • #308
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    golden lane wrote: »
    in a private company the whole pension has to be earned......

    of course they never have....and if it was up to me...they wouldn't get one ...unless they could prove the could not get a job.....

    i am a child of the forties...so there was genuine unemploymet....

    You are talking through your ar*e. The whole pension is not earned in the private sector. A private sector pays a contribution, the employer usually matches it or makes a contribution or matches it and adds a bit more on top. A private sector employee does not earn their whole pension.


  • #309
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    hondasam wrote: »
    Chucken?

    Soz, Skoda. Not chucken, I like chicken, roasted ;)


  • #310
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    golden lane wrote: »
    in a private company the whole pension has to be earned......

    of course they never have....and if it was up to me...they wouldn't get one ...unless they could prove the could not get a job.....

    i am a child of the forties...so there was genuine unemploymet....


    Some people in the public sector don't know what it's like to earn something. They have a system where pay rises are awarded according to length of service and not performance.

    Some can coast by, with the feet up, drawing allowances, no worries;)


    You want us to work? More allowances please:rolleyes:


  • #311
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    micropig wrote: »
    Some people in the public sector don't know what it's like to earn something. They have a system where pay rises are awarded according to length of service and not performance.

    Some can coast by, with the feet up, drawing allowances, no worries;)


    You want us to work? More allowances please:rolleyes:

    What part of the public sector get pay rises due to length of service?

    Increments are awarded every year, yes, but if you have a bad sick leave record or score a rating of 2 or less in your PMDS, then you do not get your increment. I know of one person who did not get their increment and also another who almost didn't get their increment because they were off sick for 4 weeks, but they got it in the end because they were actually in hospital seriously ill and had doctor's notes etc to prove it.


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  • #312
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    micropig wrote: »
    Some people in the public sector don't know what it's like to earn something. They have a system where pay rises are awarded according to length of service and not performance.

    Some can coast by, with the feet up, drawing allowances, no worries;)


    You want us to work? More allowances please:rolleyes:

    I think that is changing now and everyone knows some departments are inefficient. Pay rises are awarded the same way in the private sector, length of service, more holidays the longer you are there, they have perks also.

    Edit, sick leave is the one thing they have clamped down on for sure, 15days sick and no increment with or without a cert.


  • #313
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Monife wrote: »
    What part of the public sector get pay rises due to length of service?

    Increments are awarded every year, yes, but if you have a bad sick leave record or score a rating of 2 or less in your PMDS, then you do not get your increment. I know of one person who did not get their increment and also another who almost didn't get their increment because they were off sick for 4 weeks, but they got it in the end because they were actually in hospital seriously ill and had doctor's notes etc to prove it.

    Performance = showing up for work?

    Read all about it
    The have a name for it, but it escapes me at the moment, read it somewhere earlier

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78375562&postcount=193
    hondasam wrote: »
    I think that is changing now and everyone knows some departments are inefficient. Pay rises are awarded the same way in the private sector, length of service, more holidays the longer you are there, they have perks also.

    Edit, sick leave is the one thing they have clamped down on for sure, 15days sick and no increment with or without a cert.

    I would have hope it changed years ago


  • #314
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Monday January 30 2012


    Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore has consistently said increments are part of the Croke Park deal -- even though there is no reference to them in the document agreed between the last government and unions in 2010

    They are given to teachers, nurses and guards and most civil servants and are around €1,000 a year per worker -- costing a total of €250m annually.

    The payments are mostly awarded for length of service, although performance is also taken into account in some instances.


  • #315
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    micropig wrote: »
    Paperclip vs the state 1997

    More bluff and bull again. :rolleyes::pac::rolleyes: At least you'r consistent, I'll grant you that.


  • #316
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    user098 wrote: »
    More bluff and bull again. :rolleyes::pac::rolleyes: At least you'r consistent, I'll grant you that.

    Were you investigating it's validity?

    Took enough time:p


  • #317
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    micropig wrote: »
    Monday January 30 2012


    Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore has consistently said increments are part of the Croke Park deal -- even though there is no reference to them in the document agreed between the last government and unions in 2010

    They are given to teachers, nurses and guards and most civil servants and are around €1,000 a year per worker -- costing a total of €250m annually.

    The payments are mostly awarded for length of service, although performance is also taken into account in some instances.

    Do you believe everything you read in the media? In our department, increments are performance related and there is a big emphasis on the peformance reviews.


  • #318
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Monife wrote: »
    Do you believe everything you read in the media? In our department, increments are performance related and there is a big emphasis on the peformance reviews.

    Any links?


  • #319
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    golden lane wrote: »
    that is not security.......whatever the case may be regarding that woman....

    why are all the private sector construction workers..now unemployed...along with lots of others.....their unemployment may be secure....

    That is due to the fact that there employer went out of business - obviously. Private sector workers actually working do have job security through legislation. When it comes to public sector workers and job security they also can be let go. All the jobs in the Army that are currently being advertised are for a contract of 5 years. The have guaranteed employment, but only for 5 years. After 5 years there contract may be extended but no guarantees for example if some medical condition developed like celiac, diabetes etc then they will be let go. A person in the private sector would not loose there job if they developed a disease like celiac or diabetes.


  • #320
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    micropig wrote: »
    Monday January 30 2012


    Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore has consistently said increments are part of the Croke Park deal -- even though there is no reference to them in the document agreed between the last government and unions in 2010

    They are given to teachers, nurses and guards and most civil servants and are around €1,000 a year per worker -- costing a total of €250m annually.

    The payments are mostly awarded for length of service, although performance is also taken into account in some instances.

    I called bulls**t on that 250million figure when i first heard it.

    It is nowhere near that:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/cost-of-public-sector-pay-rises-to-be-halved-this-year-%E2%80%93-howlin-337354-Jan2012/

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/04/24/00007.asp

    2012 increments = €90 million


  • #321
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    woodoo wrote: »
    I called bulls**t on that 250million figure when i first heard it.

    It is nowhere near that:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/cost-of-public-sector-pay-rises-to-be-halved-this-year-%E2%80%93-howlin-337354-Jan2012/

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/04/24/00007.asp

    2012 increments = €90 million


    if you read the link

    250 in total for total for public sector 90million of this for civil servants.


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  • #322
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    micropig wrote: »
    if you read the link

    250 in total for total for public sector 90million of this for civil servants.

    Where do you see that? copy the part


  • #323
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    micropig wrote: »
    Some people in the public sector don't know what it's like to earn something. They have a system where pay rises are awarded according to length of service and not performance.

    Some can coast by, with the feet up, drawing allowances, no worries;)


    You want us to work? More allowances please:rolleyes:

    I think Lillycricket fancies you!


  • #324
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    Originally Posted by micropig viewpost.gif
    Some people in the public sector don't know what it's like to earn something. They have a system where pay rises are awarded according to length of service and not performance.

    Some can coast by, with the feet up, drawing allowances, no worrieswink.gif


    You want us to work? More allowances pleaserolleyes.gif

    Thats a mad statement, people have an annual report, if you want to get promotion/advancement then you need to have a good track record. Nobody wants to be getting bad annual appraisals. I dont know where people get the idea that people join the public sector so that they dont have to work. People want to work for the challenge, pleasure, build a reputation in the community, solve problems, work with a group, to be appreciated, impact it makes on the world and for money. If there are people employed in the public sector and they are not working I would suggest that its not there problem and they should be moved. Currently The British Police have a ratio of 1:3 of civil servants to police officers. This is so the civil servants do the paper work etc, we are well behind this ratio. So if there are people with nothing to do put them in these jobs to release the gardai to do there job.


  • #325
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Thats a mad statement, people have an annual report, if you want to get promotion/advancement then you need to have a good track record. Nobody wants to be getting bad annual appraisals. I dont know where people get the idea that people join the public sector so that they dont have to work. People want to work for the challenge, pleasure, build a reputation in the community, solve problems, work with a group, to be appreciated, impact it makes on the world and for money. If there are people employed in the public sector and they are not working I would suggest that its not there problem and they should be moved. Currently The British Police have a ratio of 1:3 of civil servants to police officers. This is so the civil servants do the paper work etc, we are well behind this ratio. So if there are people with nothing to do put them in these jobs to release the gardai to do there job.

    Very true, but Micropig isnt remotely interested in the truth, dont burst his bubble!


  • #326
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    Very true, but Micropig isnt remotely interested in the truth, dont burst his bubble!

    He can't handle the truth !!


  • #327
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    woodoo wrote: »
    He can't handle the truth !!

    yes just ignore the link were it says incredements are mostly based on performance, for most of the civil service , keeping showing the public how delusional and in denial ye are;) the dogs on the street know how inefficient many departments are, but no matter whats reported, deny, deny, deny



    how about the other link about the large section of incompetent workers, promoted due to length of service....or was it above your reading comprehension skils?


  • #328
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    micropig wrote: »
    yes just ignore the link were it says incredements are mostly based on performance, for most of the civil service , keeping showing the public how delusional and in denial ye are;) the dogs on the street know how inefficient many departments are, but no matter whats reported, deny, deny, deny



    how about the other link about the large section of incompetent workers, promoted due to length of service....or was it above your reading comprehension skils?

    can you cut and paste the part where is says it was 250 million overall


  • #329
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    woodoo wrote: »
    can you cut and paste the part where is says it was 250 million overall

    no, on my phone, can you not just read it?




    i don't have the energy to spoon fed


  • #330
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    micropig wrote: »
    yes just ignore the link were it says incredements are mostly based on performance, for most of the civil service , keeping showing the public how delusional and in denial ye are;) the dogs on the street know how inefficient many departments are, but no matter whats reported, deny, deny, deny



    how about the other link about the large section of incompetent workers, promoted due to length of service....or was it above your reading comprehension skils?

    No seniority is gone, long gone. Actually mainly based on annual reports. If and only if the points are the same through interview, annual reports etc will it be based on seniority. This is rare as most people dont have exactly same annual reports, interview marks etc.

    Ineficency in public sector, as if never happens in private sector. I had to tell IT dept in Vodafone their job recently. Or what about 30 mins waiting to get through to UPC to report signal not working, then to be asked if anyone else in my area having same problem - I dont know , thats there job. Then they said it was ok it must be my TV - guess what it was there problem in the end and they still charged me despite loss of service over a number of days. The list goes on and on. Just remember only problems in public sector !!!!!


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  • #331
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    micropig wrote: »
    no, on my phone, can you not just read it?




    i don't have the energy to spoon fed

    what page is it on. I'm relaxing on a sat night and don't fancy reading too much of what Howlin says


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