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The Avengers (2012) *spoilers from post 1181*

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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fysh wrote: »
    At this point, I've seen Avatar, Alice In Wonderland & Tron: Legacy in 3D. Film quality aside, Avatar's 3D was excellent (I've since had to sit through it in a 2D version and Christ did it ever drag without the 3D to keep you engaged), Tron's was kind of pointless (barely noticeable, and never particularly interesting even when it was noticeable), and AiW's was a demonstration of highest-order cack-handedness.

    Transformers 3, Drive Angry and Ghost Rider 2 were films I have no intention of watching because, well, let's just say I can tell they're not my thing.

    It will be a real shame if the best commercial demonstrations of 3D in film-making continue to be associated with films that are otherwise critically panned.

    Hugo is the best recent example of 3D and what can be done with the tech. A visually stunning film where the 3D never feels tacked on. Drive Angry and Ghost Rider may not be high art but as far as throw away Friday night trash goes, they are fantastic fun.

    I have no problem with genre films using 3D and while none of the films I mentioned will ever be considered classics they do something fun with the tech.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,872 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Overheal wrote: »
    ^

    Is this what arguments looked like a hundred years ago when they tried to add sound and dialog to films?

    Really, Overheal, really? Are you really comparing a massive storytelling revolution like the introduction of sound to 3D? The more appropriate comparison is the addition of colour, and even that opened up significantly greater possibilities to cinematographers than 3D does.

    Heck, the digital production and projection of film remains a far more important and promising advancement in recent times, and one I have very few issues with.
    3D has a place and while post converted 3D should die a quick death film makers who understand what the technology can bring to a film will do some wonderful things with it. To write all 3D off because you saw one or two films use the tech in a poor manner is ludicrous and to actively try and talk people out of going to see a 3D film that you have not seen is just ridiculous.

    We're warning people off a post-production conversion - the same post conversion you claim should die in a fire! While Whedon is mildly enthusiastic about it - mildly - the evidence of every single other post-production 3D movie is a red-flag enough, frankly.
    Avatar in 3D is nothing short of breathtaking and far more enjoyable experience than the 2D version.

    'Nothing short of breathtaking' is nothing short of hyperbole! Avatar is definitely the only film I'd say is truly worth seeing in 3D - and yeah, I've seen both Hugo and Cave of Forgotten Dreams and remain unconvinced by either (and if Werner Herzog can't convince me....). Yet even there it is a mere enhancement of what is already on screen: the vibrancy of colour, the lush forests etc... remain deeply impressive in 2D. It certainly distracted me from the iffy storytelling for an hour or so, but alas even the visuals' impact wore off over two and a half hours of turgid film-making.

    And if one needs to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to craft a film that makes the most out of a given format, I remain somewhat unconvinced that it is a tool outside the reach of all but the most elaborate of productions, and even then I could live without it.

    Honestly, the most convincing 3D technology I've seen is on my 3DS: even then, I can turn off the 3D slider with no ill effects. Until a filmmaker proves otherwise - and Scorcese, Herzog and others have tried, bless 'em - I think as an aesthetic choice it is moderately enhancing at best, highly distracting at worst.

    So the Avengers, ey? Yeah!


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We're warning people off a post-production conversion - the same post conversion you claim should die in a fire! While Whedon is mildly enthusiastic about it - mildly - the evidence of every single other post-production 3D movie is a red-flag enough, frankly.

    As I said some post conversion 3D has been rather good, Drive Angry and Ghost Rider both looked very good as the directors shot the films with the conversion in mind. The flashback sequence in Drive Angry is one of the best uses of the tech to date.

    I plan on seeing The Avengers in 2D but I'm not going to write off the 3D version till I at least read some reviews of it.
    'Nothing short of breathtaking' is nothing short of hyperbole! Avatar is definitely the only film I'd say is truly worth seeing in 3D - and yeah, I've seen both Hugo and Cave of Forgotten Dreams and remain unconvinced by either (and if Werner Herzog can't convince me....). Yet even there it is a mere enhancement of what is already on screen: the vibrancy of colour, the lush forests etc... remain deeply impressive in 2D. It certainly distracted me from the iffy storytelling for an hour or so, but alas even the visuals' impact wore off over two and a half hours of turgid film-making.

    And if one needs to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to craft a film that makes the most out of a given format, I remain somewhat unconvinced that it is a tool outside the reach of all but the most elaborate of productions, and even then I could live without it.

    Honestly, the most convincing 3D technology I've seen is on my 3DS: even then, I can turn off the 3D slider with no ill effects. Until a filmmaker proves otherwise - and Scorcese, Herzog and others have tried, bless 'em - I think as an aesthetic choice it is moderately enhancing at best, highly distracting at worst.

    So the Avengers, ey? Yeah!

    Cave of Forgotten Dreams had a lot of post conversion going on, they couldn't bring the 3D cameras inside the cave which is why so much of the film looks flat and uninspired.

    You don't need to spend hundreds of millions to get 3D to work. Plenty of low budget films have been shot in 3D and made it look good. Scar, made for less than the catering budget of Avatar may be a terrible film but some of the 3D looks great in it.

    For me 3D is a far more enjoyable experience in the comfort of your own home, I've been gaming in 3D for well over a year and it can lead to a far more immersive experience. The 3D in Witcher 2 is fantastic and as good as anything that was seen in Avatar.

    I'm not 3D's biggest fan and 9 times out of 10 will pick the 2D screening but at the same time I hate how people will sit around and slate films that they have yet to see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    I assume you're not counting Wolverine / X-Men First Class there :pac: Iron Man 2 is a dangerously close to being a bit crap as well.

    Pfft, amateur! X Men is owned by Fox not Marvel. :P

    I don't think IM2 is half as bad as people suggest. This is what I've said about it before anyway:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69774891&postcount=4


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,872 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I'm not 3D's biggest fan and 9 times out of 10 will pick the 2D screening but at the same time I hate how people will sit around and slate films that they have yet to see.

    We're not slating the film at all (have my tickets booked for Avengers tomorrow) but rather slating a technology that we've had a plethora of experience with - indeed, I've seen at least fifteen to twenty films in 3D, many of which were proclaimed to be entirely worth viewing in 3D. They, inevitably, weren't.

    No different than warning against a director who has constantly proven inept: no point getting fooled time and time again.


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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We're not slating the film at all (have my tickets booked for Avengers tomorrow) but rather slating a technology that we've had a plethora of experience with - indeed, I've seen at least fifteen to twenty films in 3D, many of which were proclaimed to be entirely worth viewing in 3D. They, inevitably, weren't.

    No different than warning against a director who has constantly proven inept: no point getting fooled time and time again.

    I meant slating how the film looks/how 3D is used and not the film overall. There are some truly abysmal examples of post conversion 3D but I would never write it all off as there have been a number of conversions that really impressed.

    I'm going to see Avengers in 2D but was the common consensus that the 3D was some of the best around I would seriously consider a 3D screening. Likewise if the reviews for the 3D are scathing then I would advise people not to bother with it but I wouldn't tell people to avoid the 3D screening of a film that no one has yet seen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭Ape X


    So, um, yeah... thanks for all your answers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Penn wrote: »
    If I had to put an order on them:

    Thor
    Iron Man
    Captain America
    Incredible Hulk
    Iron Man 2

    Thor completely took me by surprise. I knew because of all the Asgard stuff it'd be the most difficult one to pull off, but not only did they manage it, they made just a really great film.

    Iron Man 1 is just great, really set the bar high. Then it's a tough call between Captain America and Hulk. Both are actually great films.

    Then Iron Man 2 in last place. The villians just ruined that movie.

    Thor was a massive surprise for me as well. I was expecting it to be campy and sh1te or too serious and sh1t but it got the sillyness balance just right, it knew exactly what it was and it was a ton of fun to watch. I hope they give it a proper sequel away from The Avengers, which I guess will depend on how that plays out if they want to keep it canon as far as the Avengers universe they've set up goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Order for me would be

    Captain America
    Thor
    Iron Man
    TIH
    Iron Man 2

    Not that big a fan of Iron Man as others are, I think both films are let down by the villains. They really are the RDJ show.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,872 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I meant slating how the film looks/how 3D is used and not the film overall. There are some truly abysmal examples of post conversion 3D but I would never write it all off as there have been a number of conversions that really impressed.

    I'm going to see Avengers in 2D but was the common consensus that the 3D was some of the best around I would seriously consider a 3D screening. Likewise if the reviews for the 3D are scathing then I would advise people not to bother with it but I wouldn't tell people to avoid the 3D screening of a film that no one has yet seen.

    You see, I've stopped taking it on a case by case basis, because when I did I kept getting punished for it. As I said, I've seen Hugo in 3D, supposedly the champion of 3D technology, and got absolutely nothing out of it that I wouldn't have gotten out of it had I seen it without a third dimension (bar, perhaps, the opening sequence which was actually distracting in how much the three dimensions looked like a series of flat two-dimensional planes). The only 3D bits and pieces I've enjoyed have tended to be in novelty films like Jackass or Final Destination whateveritwas: for me, Avatar is the only film that has a third-dimension that works on anything other than a purely gimmicky level.

    I honestly have so little faith in 3D based on much personal experience that unless a fairly definite consensus states that a film at least equals (and ideally surprasses) Avatar's use of the technology (or if practical necessity unfortunately dictates the need for glasses) than I am not going to waste my money or time on it. And it had better be a good film anyway because, while Ghost Rider 2 or Transformers 3 may be impressive, I have so little interest in the films themselves that I am more than happy to never experience whatever 3D flourishes they may have.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    Order for me would be

    Captain America
    Thor
    Iron Man
    TIH
    Iron Man 2

    Not that big a fan of Iron Man as others are, I think both films are let down by the villains. They really are the RDJ show.

    Captain America was ****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Ya I wasn't a major fan of Captain America I nearly fell asleep in the middle of it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    I really loved Captain America, but the whole montage in the middle kinda killed it for me a bit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    I found captain america boring, I mean he's really insignificant in this movie, the only super heros withreal power are thor and hulk, I suppose iron man too to a certain extent, my brother saw this in aus and he says hulk steals the show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Just finished watching TIH again and I think I prefer it to Cap


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭Thoms Yorkie Bars


    Iron Man and Cap are probably the two best build up films, imo. Thor I really liked the first time around, but I watched again recently and just thought that it was fairly meh. I think TIH is probably the worst of the them. I don't know why people think it's better than the 2003 one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Watched The Avengers a couple of hours ago.
    Loved it. Some great lines, looks great and gives enough screen time to everyone.
    The Hulk and Tony Stark really stand out.

    Not sure if its one I'll watch again and again. But def worth a viewing on the big screen.
    No need for 3D either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Just watched it.EPIC is the only word to describe it. It wraps up the first chapter of avengers movies quite nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Sesudra


    Have my tickets booked for tonight, am so so excited by this! But after managing to avoid any new trailers or clips for the past few weeks, I was in my mams with the telly on in the background and I accidently saw the clip with
    Captain America saying "Hulk, smash".
    . Would have loved to have that be a surprise!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Sesudra wrote: »
    I was in my mams with the telly on in the background and I accidently saw the clip with
    Captain America saying "Hulk, smash".
    . Would have loved to have that be a surprise!

    Ya, what an awful decision to put that in the ads. There was a great cheer and applause when that happened in the cinema.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Sesudra


    sheehy83 wrote: »
    Ya, what an awful decision to put that in the ads. There was a great cheer and applause when that happened in the cinema.

    :( Ah well, am sure there'll be loads of other cool moments I haven't seen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    3 hours and 40 minutes to go, watching Cap and Thor in preparation. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Watched the Iron Mans and TIH last night in the run up. There was a 7am showing here in Cork this morning but would nearly have to have taken the day off. 17.20 I'll be there!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭kronsington


    Sesudra wrote: »
    Have my tickets booked for tonight, am so so excited by this! But after managing to avoid any new trailers or clips for the past few weeks, I was in my mams with the telly on in the background and I accidently saw the clip with
    Captain America saying "Hulk, smash".
    . Would have loved to have that be a surprise!

    I knew this was going to be in the movie and knew this on a tv spot and accidently saw it on tv as well- they really should have saved it for the movie.

    the wait is finally over. waiting til saturday to see it when my brother is back from college. Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts on the movie. Can a separate reviews thread be set up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts on the movie. Can a separate reviews thread be set up?


    There is a seperate review section here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=370


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Just back from seeing it, and it was pretty good. Only downsides were the 3D being absolutely useless and making some sections of the film blurry and too dark. The audience were stupid aswell, lots of clapping and cheering meant I couldn't hear some lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,510 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    titan18 wrote: »
    Just back from seeing it, and it was pretty good. Only downsides were the 3D being absolutely useless and making some sections of the film blurry and too dark. The audience were stupid aswell, lots of clapping and cheering meant I couldn't hear some lines.

    Saw that Mahon Point are charging a euro extra for 3D - without the glasses. Imax excluded, if done with the format anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Is the new The Dark Knight Rises trailer on beforehand. Anybody whos seen the Avengers???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    cursai wrote: »
    Is the new The Dark Knight Rises trailer on beforehand. Anybody whos seen the Avengers???

    Not for me, we had Promotheus and Spiderman reboot


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  • Registered Users Posts: 36 waterglass305


    I hadn't expected much from Marvel and to be honest, based on a lot of their previous films. I was not optimistic.
    But I was pleasently surprised, while having cheesy clique moments, the film rocked!
    The acting was good (I can't fault Samuel L. Jackson) and the speacal effects were very good.
    Delighted to have gone even though the crowd I was with in the cinema kept clapping and laughing at jokes.

    Spoiler alert!!
    I'm going on about the films plot!!!
    One of the things I liked was that the superheroes were real people you could relate to (for a film with people with superpowers :P). One scene where they got all tensed up and angry at each other helped underline that they're flawed people. Unlike other movies where the characters go through the motions (happy, depressed, elevated to face a challenge, happy again), this film tried and nicely succeded to make our hereosmore human.

    However I can fault it for the entire Alien invading bit; the Alien invaders that are meant to be the ultimate destroyers that will destroy the world, but in fairness I was expeting better than blue lasers that cause as much damage as a mini-grenade. Considering the damage done to cities with modern and 1940s weopens (think the Blitz) I was a tad disappointed. Not to mention the aliens lack of a coordiated battleplan; just showing up and shooting everything is not a plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Saw that Mahon Point are charging a euro extra for 3D - without the glasses. Imax excluded, if done with the format anyway.

    Ya,it's not worth it, I ended up paying €5 to go in as it was a screening in conjunction with a society in college. I'd be more pissed if I paid a lot to go to a 3D screening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    titan18 wrote: »
    Not for me, we had Promotheus and Spiderman reboot

    Thanks going at half five at an imc. Maybe they have it. Prometheus is not a bad trade though......................i feel like a child again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I hadn't expected much from Marvel and to be honest, based on a lot of their previous films. I was not optimistic.
    But I was pleasently surprised, while having cheesy clique moments, the film rocked!
    The acting was good (I can't fault Samuel L. Jackson) and the speacal effects were very good.
    Delighted to have gone even though the crowd I was with in the cinema kept clapping and laughing at jokes.

    [/SPOILER]

    Gate in Cork at 10.30 screening? Can understand the laughter even if they went on a bit too long, but the cheering and clapping was stupid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    I thought the clapping during the advance screening was great. I'm not a 'cinema clapper' myself but it gave the place a good atomosphere, it shows you are surrounded by fans instead of random knacks on their phones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    not on my viewing


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    going to see it in ISENSE tonight. I have been waiting so long to see it and today i am not feeling it. Maybe thats good, i will come out loving it. Will see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,721 ✭✭✭Otacon


    sheehy83 wrote: »
    I thought the clapping during the advance screening was great. I'm not a 'cinema clapper' myself but it gave the place a good atomosphere, it shows you are surrounded by fans instead of random knacks on their phones.

    I've no problem with enthusiasm, but if you want to clap, do it at the start and/or finish.

    Otherwise you end up missing dialogue and such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    so, the overrun? Anyone have any ideas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Knifey Spoony


    I was at the screening in the Gate as well and I thought the clapping stuff was great. Really added to the atmosphere of the film.

    Thought the film was fun, a nice balance of action and humour, but I was a little lost at the start as I haven't seen Thor, but it was some film when it did get going for me. Was really glad that it didn't turn out the mess that I thought it would given the amount of heros that would be in it.

    Anyone want to fill me in on the scene after the credits
    or is it something that might spoil Thor for me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool



    Anyone want to fill me in on the scene after the credits or is it something that might spoil Thor for me?

    After credits spoiler!

    Google
    Thanos

    I just want to know what the extra scene is where they filmed it after the film was finished. It wasn't shown at the advanced screening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    I was at the screening in the Gate as well and I thought the clapping stuff was great. Really added to the atmosphere of the film.

    Thought the film was fun, a nice balance of action and humour, but I was a little lost at the start as I haven't seen Thor, but it was some film when it did get going for me. Was really glad that it didn't turn out the mess that I thought it would given the amount of heros that would be in it.

    Anyone want to fill me in on the scene after the credits or is it something that might spoil Thor for me?
    Thor was pretty much ruined by the Avengers no? By far the best of the pre-movies was Thor imo. Captain America wasn't great, didnt really buy into the Iron Mans the way everyone else did. Thor was so much better than expected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Can't believe I'm saying this but I thought it was only okay. Maybe all the positive reviews so far have blown my expectations sky high, but I thought that the film suffered from pacing issues. Of the scarce negative reviews I've read, one critic said that the film is a mess until the last 40 minutes and I would actually agree with that.

    The pace is so frenetic and not in a good way, this in turn has a knock on effect on key scenes such as
    Coulson dying. I just didn't feel the emotional punch that this scene should of had and this, in my opinion, is down to poor build up to the moment.

    I also didn't think much of the character interaction bar the work between RDJ and Ruffalo, the latter actually stealing the show for me both as Banner and his monstrous counterpart. But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from
    being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

    All in all, an entertaining 2 hours but no more than a 3/5 IMO. Disappointing as I was so excited to see this film.

    EDIT Oh and
    the 3D really pissed me off in regards to the space scenes, could make fcuk all out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    4 hours to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I was at the screening in the Gate as well and I thought the clapping stuff was great. Really added to the atmosphere of the film.

    Thought the film was fun, a nice balance of action and humour, but I was a little lost at the start as I haven't seen Thor, but it was some film when it did get going for me. Was really glad that it didn't turn out the mess that I thought it would given the amount of heros that would be in it.

    Anyone want to fill me in on the scene after the credits
    or is it something that might spoil Thor for me?

    Had to google it afterwards, the combination of the darkness with the 3D and the lights being turned on meant I couldn't see who it was at all inside there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭thebostoncrab


    Cannot wait, tickets are booked for tomorrow night in Isence!

    Quick question, I know Cineworld are giving out the special 3D glasses, is Oddon doing the same? If not I may have to see this a second time :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Pretty good film. I agree with an earlier poster saying about the pacing issues, it seemed a bit off in places. Also a lot of the interaction between characters seemed very forced, like it was done just to have one Avenger talk to another, like one would just step in from out of scene, this happened a few times.
    The fixing the engine bit was a waste of time I thought, it was like "lets repair the engine that was blown to in incineration"

    Enjoyed it though, the final scene (well 30 minutes) is relentless. Thor had the best line in it I thought
    "You wan't me to put the hammer down!
    Like the post credits scene too, Thanos should be a great Avengers 2 villain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    heading to this in an hour, excitedface!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭Ape X


    Going in the morning....

    One more sleep.

    Only one more sleep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 36 waterglass305


    titan18 wrote: »
    Gate in Cork at 10.30 screening? Can understand the laughter even if they went on a bit too long, but the cheering and clapping was stupid

    Yes I was there. I was taken aback by the clapping/laughing at every single reference to the the Marvel universe or some of the one liners by Iron man. Some of it was funny, but it earned no more than a chuckle IMO.
    But I did like the atmosphere a lot, kinda made up for the early morning screening :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Thanos


    sheehy83 wrote: »
    After credits spoiler!

    Google
    Thanos

    Hello :>


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