Pregnant women smoking and drinking

irlirishkev · 24-04-2012 06:55PM

chin_grin wrote: »

To be fair if the pregnant woman is smoking, the child is f*cked from the get-go.

Wanna explain that remark for the benefit of all those whose mother's smoked through pregnancies up to say, oh I dunno, 30 years ago?

LorraineMcFly · 24-04-2012 06:56PM

hondasam wrote: »

You had nothing to give up then.

Kitty is not an AH mod, she cannot ban you.

i gave up smoking and alcohol before i got pregnant. i still gave them up , overnight . whats your pont?

KeithM89_old · 24-04-2012 06:57PM

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

the person i said this about was commenting in my weight offensively. so ban me then if you want to.

Banned.

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Also, some people need to start using multiquote.

Tayla · 24-04-2012 06:57PM

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

yes but this debate is about drinking and smoking Tayla. who is overweight and pregnant and bothering you out of interest? im pregnant and 5 feet 6 and currently weigh 11.5 stone. i think im fine im coming into my sixth month. what about underweight mothers risking childs health? why dont u start a thread on weight and pregnancy

Lorraine, you started this thread and your only line to start the discussion was about all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Early on in the debate I brought this into it because it is just as relevant and just as dangerous to the baby plus there are just as many studies done to back it up but it's almost a taboo to say it so no I'll stay on this thread thank you very much because it's just as relevant.

No one in particular is bothering me, yet these threads, debates, conversations come up all the time demonising smoking pregnant women but no one will judge the overweight women.
A study of 5800 pregnant women in 2010 showed that 43% were overweight, this is a massive widespread minority, 3% of women were underweight, that's a small minority and I bet they were told every day by family, friends, strangers and doctors how they needed to be on weight and were too skinny.

If I had a pregnant overweight friend over at my house I wouldn't say to them go on treat yourself to a nice cream cake just like I would never say to a pregnant woman go on treat yourself to a cigarette.

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 06:58PM

I quit smoking when I started trying for number 2, I did smoke during my first pregnancy. Didn't drink but I'm not much of a drinker. So shoot me.

Don't think anyone should be forced to quit, its impossible to enforce, it will probably do the most damage early on when its impossible to tell, some women will be lucky to advance quite far without showing so how can it be enforced.

will we force women to be tested at checkups?

And where will it end? Its getting far too police state for my liking.

Battered Mars Bar · 24-04-2012 07:01PM

Ah, multiquote

prinz · 24-04-2012 07:03PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Don't think anyone should be forced to quit....

I think the general thinking would be that people should 'self-police'. You shouldn't need something to be officially illegal before you come to the conclusion you shouldn't do it all by yourself, as a mature adult.

micropig · 24-04-2012 07:05PM

Tayla wrote: »

If I had a pregnant overweight friend over at my house I wouldn't say to them go on treat yourself to a nice cream cake just like I would never say to a pregnant woman go on treat yourself to a cigarette.

A go on, live a little..Would you really deny your friend a bit of cake..Would you show her the cake before telling her she can't have any..Are you her keeper?

Stressing pregnant women out, can be just as harmful

fasttalkerchat · 24-04-2012 07:05PM

Social services can have the child taken off the mother once its born but there's nothing the guards can do as far as I know.

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:07PM

prinz wrote: »

I think the general thinking would be that people should 'self-police'. You shouldn't need something to be officially illegal before you come to the conclusion you shouldn't do it all by yourself, as a mature adult.

Eh Prinz I am responding to the OP who asked should it be illegal? No need to take that smart tone.

prinz · 24-04-2012 07:12PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Eh Prinz I am responding to the OP who asked should it be illegal? No need to take that smart tone.

Smart tone? I am being totally genuine. There are so many things which if you bring in a law about it's nanny state madness, but if you don't people just won't cop the hell on, grow up and make the decision for themselves. So it's Catch-22.

Tayla · 24-04-2012 07:13PM

micropig wrote: »

A go on, live a little..Would you really deny your friend a bit of cake..Would you show her the cake before telling her she can't have any..Are you her keeper?

Stressing pregnant women out, can be just as harmful

My point is that I wouldn't encourage it. I use another forum regularly (parenting website, full of pregnant women) and they all encourage each other to eat all this junk, like they would say they have ballooned but can't stop eating so much crisps and junk and everyone just says you might as well have it and enjoy it, treat yourself, but it's not a treat, it's all the time.

No one would dream of telling a pregnant smoker to treat herself and sit down and have 10 cigarettes in the evening.

PrincessLola · 24-04-2012 07:14PM

If we ban pregnant women from smoking and drinking then we'll have to ban junk food too, and anything perceived as dangerous.

fasttalkerchat · 24-04-2012 07:14PM

prinz wrote: »

Smart tone? I am being totally genuine. There are so many things which if you bring in a law about it's nanny state madness, but if you don't people just won't cop the hell on, grow up and make the decision for themselves.

It's not about making a decision for yourself its about the decision made for the child. The law would protect the child from the mother.

micropig · 24-04-2012 07:17PM

The hormones are flying in here:pac:

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:17PM

prinz wrote: »

Smart tone? I am being totally genuine. There are so many things which if you bring in a law about it's nanny state madness, but if you don't people just won't cop the hell on, grow up and make the decision for themselves. So it's Catch-22.

My point is how do you enforce it without the state getting into people's private lives?

You can't. And as for self policing you can't assume can you that a woman who says she doesn't smoke or drink is telling the truth so any checks will have to affect everyone.

hondasam · 24-04-2012 07:20PM

micropig wrote: »

The hormones are flying in here:pac:

More like withdrawal symptoms. :pac:

prinz · 24-04-2012 07:22PM

eviltwin wrote: »

You can't. And as for self policing you can't assume can you that a woman who says she doesn't smoke or drink is telling the truth so any checks will have to affect everyone.

What checks? People just shouldn't do it all by themselves, and for the good of their own kids.

I'm not talking about anybody going around checking if they're telling the truth or not.

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:24PM

prinz wrote: »

What checks? People just shouldn't do it all by themselves, and for the good of their own kids.

I'm not talking about anybody going around checking if they're telling the truth or not.

But if everyone does it off their own bat then we don't have a debate

Eric Cartman · 24-04-2012 07:26PM

prinz wrote: »

What checks? People just shouldn't do it all by themselves, and for the good of their own kids.

I'm not talking about anybody going around checking if they're telling the truth or not.

some people dont know, most dont seem to care.

I think regulation is a bad idea, but if the government gets up and starts some sort of shame campaign , a few tv ads saying how awful it is with colour alteration and bad camera angles, make everyone think your being called scum of the earth for doing it

A few posters in black and white, with kids in wheelchairs hooked up to all sorts of life support machines, with signs drawn in crayon saying 'why did you smoke mammy'

Tayla · 24-04-2012 07:28PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

some people dont know, most dont seem to care.

I think regulation is a bad idea, but if the government gets up and starts some sort of shame campaign , a few tv ads saying how awful it is with colour alteration and bad camera angles, make everyone think your being called scum of the earth for doing it

TV licence style?:eek:

micropig · 24-04-2012 07:28PM

eviltwin wrote: »

But if everyone does it off their own bat then we don't have a debate

Debate is needed to highlight the possible dangers, then no one can claim ignorance or sue cigarette/drink company

Mr Benevolent · 24-04-2012 07:29PM

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

no but if she drinks small glass of wine every night then i would think that possibly it could have contributed.

FAS

"A number of studies have shown that light drinking (1-2 drinks/week) during pregnancy does not appear to pose a risk to the fetus.[40][41][42][43] A study of pregnancies in eight European countries found that consuming no more than one drink per day did not appear to have any effect on fetal growth."

"Though consumption of less than 15 drinks per week was not proven to cause FAS-related effects, the study authors recommend limiting consumption to no more than one standard drink per day."

It appears to be medically acceptable to drink a unit a day with no issues. Generally FAS happens because the mother continues to drink heavily during pregnancy - i.e, she had an existing alcohol consumption problem.

Most expecting mothers will not have anywhere close to a drink a day. I certainly wouldn't have a problem with my girlfriend drinking once or twice a week during pregnancy.

Eric Cartman · 24-04-2012 07:30PM

Tayla wrote: »

TV licence style?:eek:

think the message of tv licence, combined with the gore of that ad where yer man hits a kid with his car

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:31PM

It helps if their partners quit too. I couldn't have done it only for the fact my husband gave up at the same time. Not much fun trying to kick a habit when your nearest and dearest is indulging to his hearts content.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2012 07:31PM

The hospitals could always stop providing smoking shelters and letting peope smoke in the grounds.............

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:32PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The hospitals could always stop providing smoking shelters and letting peope smoke in the grounds.............

I think a lot of hospitals are getting that way which is great. The problem with the maternity hospitals is that they open onto street level so you don't have far to walk.

hondasam · 24-04-2012 07:34PM

eviltwin wrote: »

It helps if their partners quit too. I couldn't have done it only for the fact my husband gave up at the same time. Not much fun trying to kick a habit when your nearest and dearest is indulging to his hearts content.

I wonder how many men would do this? give up cigs and drink for nine months and then you can't do it while breastfeeding either, give it up for another year.

Pwindedd · 24-04-2012 07:34PM

I love how as soon as a woman is pregnant she somehow becomes fair-game for the whole of society to tell her what she can and cannot do. AH is full of mother bashing lately.

How many people here drive a car? are you the "scum of the earth" for driving past a pregnant woman as she passively inhales your toxic exhaust fumes ?

Or are you the person disgusted that this same pregnant woman breast feeds her child in public 6 months later?

No perhaps you're the selfish prick that lets your dog **** in the park for little Johnny to slip and fall in.

Perhaps pregnant mothers should just abort and save the child a life of misery..oh no wait. That's MURDER !!!

Fcuk off - parenting is hard enough without strips being torn off you - usually by other PARENTS.

Perfect parent my arse - no such animal - if you think you are - you're deluded !!!

prinz · 24-04-2012 07:34PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The hospitals could always stop providing smoking shelters and letting peope smoke in the grounds.............

True.

Pregnant women smoking and drinking

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