Pregnant women smoking and drinking

LorraineMcFly

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Battered Mars Bar

Absolutely, great idea.

SunnyDub1

I don't agree with smoking while pregnant, but at the end of the day - it's there body so there choice

My name is URL

No it should be a personal choice. If it's made illegal pregnant mothers will flock to the UK to smoke.

General Relativity

Government control on our private affairs is not a good idea.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Is it harmful for a pregnant woman to drink alcohol? Obviously, getting pissed out of her head at eight months, yes, but - complete abstinance?

Seachmall

My mother smoke and drank when she was pregnant and there's nothing wrong with me.

In fact, I quite enjoy my 3rd testicle.

c_man

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

How do you propose that bar/off-licence staff police that one?

davet82

make it illegal if you want, its not gonna change a thing

The King of Moo

They shouldn't be allowed have kids at all herp!!

Cut off their hands and sew up their mouths derp!!

billybudd

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Yes and when a woman gets pregnant she gets her own personal garda to enforce this.

chin_grin

To be fair if the pregnant woman is smoking, the child is f*cked from the get-go.

Jester252

While any pregnant woman with sense will not smoke or drink. Outlawing them from drinking or smoking might be seen as a little bit of discrimination

LorraineMcFly

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Is it harmful for a pregnant woman to drink alcohol? Obviously, getting pissed out of her head at eight months, yes, but - complete abstinance?

Well your now told in maternity hospital not to even have one drink, so thats all i can go on. That even one drink can increase the risk of SIDS. Im 5 months pregnant at the moment.

xzanti

Didn't the Surgeon General recently release a statement that one standard glass of wine would do no harm to an unborn baby?

Too lazy to look for links but I definitely remember there being some discussion about in the Media.

davet82

anyways does nobody remember the 80's, all the babys were drunk in the womb in that decade

after they ban it, it will be coffee next then fcukin sugar, lets just let people do what they want without making criminals out of them

LorraineMcFly

c_man wrote: »

How do you propose that bar/off-licence staff police that one?

Impossible id say, im not saying im in favour of it! just wondering what peoples opinions are!

FatherLen

i am so glad i am a male.

Owen_S

How would this be enforced? I can see many fat women getting offended when being asked to put out their cigarette.

chin_grin

FatherLen wrote: »

i am so glad i am a male.

Testicular Cancer.

LorraineMcFly

xzanti wrote: »

Didn't the Surgeon General recently release a statement that one standard glass of wine would do not harm to an unborn baby?

Too lazy to look for links but I definitely remember there being some discussion about in the Media.

I think your right i heard that too, but i have been told in limerick Regional not to even have one glass. Im a non drinker anyway, so its not an issue for me.

ElleEm

If you handed your three year old a cigarette and put vodka in their juice bottle, you'd get done for child abuse. And a three year old is far more developed than a teeny tiny baby.

I wish that the women who smoke and drink (or are around other smokers) during pregnancy knew better, but as some of them don't give a sh!t about their baby, I think the law should step in.

Fionn MacCool

I know it's not exactly easy to enforce, but I think it's pretty ridiculous that our society deems it illegal for a 17 year old to purchase a can of lager, but legal for a pregnant woman to buy 40 Marloro and a bottle of vodka.

FloatingVoter

Imagine if the mammies of Einstein / Da Vinci / Aristotle had known about this information. Their children wouldn't have been such a letdown.

44leto

LOL
This will be utterly impossible to enforce, a stupid OP.

Besides smoking is bad for the body, so it is bad for diseases as well.

dark crystal

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

I don't think it should be made illegal, no. There's no way to really police it.

Besides, a glass of wine every now and then isn't going to do any harm.

I do think it would be a good idea if the health boards could provide quit-smoking packs and aids free of charge to pregnant women who smoke. Even when pregnant, it's a very hard habit to break.

billybudd

A womans body a womans right, right?

LorraineMcFly

It is horrible to see heavily pregnant women at the first stages of labour outside the regional in their housecoats smoking.

FatherLen

chin_grin wrote: »

Testicular Cancer.

aww no! why?!?

Spunge

Im pro-choice.

Seachmall

Spunge wrote: »

Im pro-choice.

You mean you're pro-SIDS.

Eric Cartman

I think its one of the most disgusting things in the world to see a pregnant woman smoking, but considering the government already has far too much control on our bodies and especially where pregnancy is concerned , I would never support a law to ban it

ElleEm

billybudd wrote: »

A womans body a womans right, right?

If it's only affecting the woman, fair enough, but it's not! Everything a pregnant woman puts into their body goes into their baby.

I have known pregnant women to avoid prawns and pate during pregnancy but still get drunk. Fu*king idiots.

Morag

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Which studies, can you link to them?
As the latest ones on drinking has said that the occasional drink can infact be good for expectant mothers.

And if they are to be made illegal what would be the punishment for such crimes?

Tayla

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Being overweight while pregnant can cause just as many problems for the baby as smoking but I never hear anyone giving out about that.

Binge drinking while pregnant should be easy to police (if it's in a public place) if a pregnant woman seems drunk arrest them, the shame should stop most people.

The thing about binge drinking is that someone could binge drink constantly and have a perfectly fine baby but others might have an odd binge and do terrible damage to the baby.

Seachmall

Tayla wrote: »

Binge drinking while pregnant should be easy to police (if it's in a public place) if a pregnant woman seems drunk arrest them, the shame should stop most people.

The stress would also bad for the baby.

scholar007

A couple of weeks ago, I saw a wan outside a chipper in Galway (back da wesht) and she looked like she was ready to pop and she was puffing away.

Yesterday - Saw a munter in a merc with what looked like a twelve year old in the front seat beside her and all the windows closed and yes she was puffing away too.

Which is worse? Womb or gas chamber?

Abi

SunnyDub1 wrote: »

I don't agree with smoking while pregnant, but at the end of the day - it's there body so there choice

Ah yes, but they're not just choosing to drink or smoke for themselves now, are they? They're smoking and drinking for two.

Impossible to enforce, but it's irresponsible for a mother that does either or both.

billybudd

ElleEm wrote: »

If it's only affecting the woman, fair enough, but it's not! Everything a pregnant woman puts into their body goes into their baby.

I have known pregnant women to avoid prawns and pate during pregnancy but still get drunk. ****!ng idiots.

Smoking is an addiction which is very hard for someone to give up regardless of whether they are expecting or not, there is just no rational thought with smoking.

Dont know why they are banning smoking in places to be honest if its that bad for people shouldnt they ban ciggarettes altogeather?

LorraineMcFly

Sharrow wrote: »

Which studies, can you link to them?
As the latest ones on drinking has said that the occasional drink can infact be good for expectant mothers.

And if they are to be made illegal what would be the punishment for such crimes?

im going on what the hospital says - prob mad to trust them!
if you use google loads of studies come up, check yourself and pick one

billybudd

Abi wrote: »

Ah yes, but they're not just choosing to drink or smoke for themselves now, are they? They're smoking and drinking for two.

Impossible to enforce, but it's irresponsible for a mother that does either or both.

Well seeing as there is no law for abortion and accidents will happen then what choice do they have?

Seachmall

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

im going on what the hospital says - prob mad to trust them!

They would probably err on the side of caution when it comes to pregnancy and possible threats to the child even if it's not agreed upon by the wider scientific community.

Not saying it's not.

Tayla

Seachmall wrote: »

The stress would also bad for the baby.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is apparently the most common preventable form of mental retardation in the western world.

Something has to change.

Stark

Don't mind them smoking as barring low birth weight, the baby tends to recover fully from the negative effects after birth. (There's also an increased risk of miscarriage but that's the mother's business as opposed to society's business imo). What I'm not okay with is mothers drinking through pregnancy and then the child and society have to carry the costs of fetal alcohol syndrome throughout the child's life.

Abi

billybudd wrote: »

Abi wrote: »

Ah yes, but they're not just choosing to drink or smoke for themselves now, are they? They're smoking and drinking for two.

Impossible to enforce, but it's irresponsible for a mother that does either or both.

Well seeing as there is no law for abortion and accidents will happen then what choice do they have?

Don't smoke or drink.

LorraineMcFly

billybudd wrote: »

Smoking is an addiction which is very hard for someone to give up regardless of whether they are expecting or not, there is just no rational thought with smoking.

Dont know why they are banning smoking in places to be honest if its that bad for people shouldnt they ban ciggarettes altogeather?

Disagree i smoked for years and before i got pregnant i decided to give up. just woke up and said thats it not smoking again and havent touched one since. It was extremely easy so i dont believe a pregnant woman cant do it. its purely selfish of them to smoke and be pregnant.
If its so hard how do the majority of pregnant women quit!

lazygal

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

Well your now told in maternity hospital not to even have one drink, so thats all i can go on. That even one drink can increase the risk of SIDS. Im 5 months pregnant at the moment.

Bull. No maternity hospital will tell you to abstain 100%, all will advise on the best course of action.

I asked my consultant about this. I'm not a smoker but do drink. I've been too sick to drink at all but she has told me a small glass of wine once a week has no effect. I'm eight months pregnant so I guess that beats your five.

ElleEm

Abi wrote: »

Don't smoke or drink.

Well played!!!!!

billybudd

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

Disagree i smoked for years and before i got pregnant i decided to give up. just woke up and said thats it not smoking again and havent touched one since. It was extremely easy so i dont believe a pregnant woman cant do it. its purely selfish of them to smoke and be pregnant

Not everyone is the same.

Morag

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

im going on what the hospital says - prob mad to trust them!
if you use google loads of studies come up, check yourself and pick one

so you can't or won't point to any refernces?

http://news.discovery.com/human/alcohol-drinking-pregnant-women.html

Light Drinking Said OK for Pregnant Women
While binge drinking is still harmful, pregnant women can safely consume small amounts of alcohol.

billybudd

Abi wrote: »

Don't smoke or drink.