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Farming Chit Chat

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  • #3302
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    know nowt about the practicalities of breeding, why do you say the bulls wouldnt be fit for heifers?

    does that imply they'd be fit for cows?


    is it just the cows are more relaxed or something?
    they won't be big enough till the back end of the year.


  • #3303
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    Man of Aran wrote: »
    Is this a result of the "set-aside" or green belt policy that Ireland , UK and USA had for some time. Allowing plots of land to return to nature and get a Gov't subsidy for that?

    One word for it - neglect!

    Marginal land needs attention and good grassland management. Over the last 20-25 years such land is now farmed by part-time farmers as these farms are usually not of a sufficient size to allow for full-time farming. Part time farmers for the celtic tiger era were earning plenty off farm and had scarce time for farming the land. It paid to farm subsidies, not land!

    To consistently keep rushes at bay is an annual job and requires a love of farming. Now that cattle prices are good and productivity is being rewarded I'd hope alot of these marginal land is brought back into productivity without the efforts the Bull McCabe had to go to!:D;)


  • #3304
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    whelan1 wrote: »
    had a cow very slow this morning, she calved last friday, gave her a bottle of calcium in crush while waiting on vet and vet gave her 2 more bottles and some phosphorousand some chanatol and pain killers.her temperature was very low.. i gave her another bottle in vein after dinner....went back up half an hour later and she was dead:eek:

    Sorry to hear it Whelan, especially as you'd attended to her in good time.


  • #3305
    lakill Farm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭lakill Farm


    simx wrote: »
    anyone at carnaross mart lately? what are 300kg char/lim bullocks making?

    went to the calf section and a few bulls like u said on mnday for 750approx


  • #3306
    lakill Farm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭lakill Farm


    cut timber on friday and also moved all yearlings to land i have taken, had a ex120 pulling up stumps and burying them on saturday. did bear essentials on sunday as last 2 easter sundays i spread pig slurry and the neightbours were not to keen on me. went to mrt on monday and came home and oh had gone gaa training and back with a swollen ankle. into off duty doc and then mullingar hospital on monday night followed by tulllamore today. fractured and tendons gone. she is worried about missing all season. my poor suck calves are now all my worry along with work and runnin the house.

    least she is off school for 6 weeks :rolleyes:


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  • #3307
    Richk2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Richk2012


    whelan1 wrote: »
    had a cow very slow this morning, she calved last friday, gave her a bottle of calcium in crush while waiting on vet and vet gave her 2 more bottles and some phosphorousand some chanatol and pain killers.her temperature was very low.. i gave her another bottle in vein after dinner....went back up half an hour later and she was dead:eek:

    Sorry to hear that Whelan. Did you give her a bottle of magnesium to cover the possibility of tetnay ??


  • #3308
    orangebud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    harvested my plants today she is stinky


  • #3309
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    Richk2012 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that Whelan. Did you give her a bottle of magnesium to cover the possibility of tetnay ??
    there is magnessium in the calcium.... she didnt strike me as being a milk fever cow, no grinding of teeth, but temp was low and there was a dart in her neck vein... udder was fine....


  • #3310
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    just do it wrote: »
    One word for it - neglect!

    Marginal land needs attention and good grassland management. Over the last 20-25 years such land is now farmed by part-time farmers as these farms are usually not of a sufficient size to allow for full-time farming. Part time farmers for the celtic tiger era were earning plenty off farm and had scarce time for farming the land. It paid to farm subsidies, not land!

    To consistently keep rushes at bay is an annual job and requires a love of farming. Now that cattle prices are good and productivity is being rewarded I'd hope alot of these marginal land is brought back into productivity without the efforts the Bull McCabe had to go to!:D;)

    Neglect is the word.

    In fairness, around here, its usually the part-time farmers who look after their land the best. Its the full time farmer with 100 acres who could be prize winning rush growers at the local agricultural show.

    In this part of the country, we will be always scourged with the rush. Its the nature of the heavy soil. Keeping on top of it is an annual job with the licker or the sprayer. However, in many places around here, if you kill the rush, you are often left with very soft land which is un-traffickable and of less use than the land was when it did have rushes!


  • #3311
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    whelan1 wrote: »
    there is magnessium in the calcium.... she didnt strike me as being a milk fever cow, no grinding of teeth, but temp was low and there was a dart in her neck vein... udder was fine....

    Grass tetney i'd say - its real weather for it


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  • #3312
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Just wondering - has anyone put back in their suckler calves with all the bad weather and that. Walking through them this evening, noticed a few coughing. They are running around fine but, we'll see. All BB's of course. This weather wouldn't knock a scratch out of the Lims...;)


  • #3313
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Grass tetney i'd say - its real weather for it
    there was no nervousness etc, if anything she was totally dopey... walked in to the yard ,when i gave her the last bottle her eye was sunk... calf was still on her , didnt think they would get tetany so soon after calving ,she oly calved on friday, they have baled silage and licks in the field


  • #3314
    snowman707
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭snowman707


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Grass tetney i'd say - its real weather for it
    whelan1 wrote: »
    there was no nervousness etc, if anything she was totally dopey... walked in to the yard ,when i gave her the last bottle her eye was sunk... calf was still on her , didnt think they would get tetany so soon after calving ,she oly calved on friday, they have baled silage and licks in the field


    last night was cruel, we were loading lambs at 5.30 this morning and every place was snow white with frost ,made the mistake of not wearing gloves and my hands nearly fell off me from the ice on their fleeces

    we still keep any cows less than a week calved in by night , a neighbour had 2 cows dead in the field monday morning, is claiming the calmag wasn't in the nuts

    we noticed some cows were not eating nuts and phoned the rep, on his advise we have tightened the amount of grass allocated (we use the sheep to eat out after the cows) and found they are eating more now


  • #3315
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    just do it wrote: »
    One word for it - neglect!
    Now that cattle prices are good and productivity is being rewarded I'd hope alot of these marginal land is brought back into productivity without the efforts the Bull McCabe had to go to!:D;)


    Yup, I have a lot of effort put into my work;)


    On a totally different topic, I get to invade behind the scenes at Duffy's circus tomorrow. So if I disappear, the tigers got me:eek:


  • #3316
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    whelan1 wrote: »
    had a cow very slow this morning, she calved last friday, gave her a bottle of calcium in crush while waiting on vet and vet gave her 2 more bottles and some phosphorousand some chanatol and pain killers.her temperature was very low.. i gave her another bottle in vein after dinner....went back up half an hour later and she was dead:eek:

    What did you give her in the vein? Sometimes it can stop the heart. Hard luck by the way, it's never easy is it?

    PS you're not trying to flush out LC by any chance?;)

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #3317
    bob charles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭bob charles


    blue5000 wrote: »
    What did you give her in the vein? Sometimes it can stop the heart. Hard luck by the way, it's never easy is it?

    PS you're not trying to flush out LC by any chance?;)

    I have seen it happen often, soon after treatment an animal just crooks


  • #3318
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    blue5000 wrote: »
    What did you give her in the vein? Sometimes it can stop the heart. Hard luck by the way, it's never easy is it?

    PS you're not trying to flush out LC by any chance?;)
    calciject, is what she got in to the vein... i remember years ago my dad gave a bottle of magnessium in to the vein, so we learnt the hard way that you dont do that... i had also given her 15cc of marbocyl 10% while i was waiting on the vet, i first noticed her at 8am and she was dead at 3pm , would tetany not kill her quicker?


  • #3319
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    whelan1 wrote: »
    calciject, is what she got in to the vein... i remember years ago my dad gave a bottle of magnessium in to the vein, so we learnt the hard way that you dont do that... i had also given her 15cc of marbocyl 10% while i was waiting on the vet, i first noticed her at 8am and she was dead at 3pm , would tetany not kill her quicker?

    Dare i say it but she got too much??


  • #3320
    cjpm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭cjpm


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Dare i say it but she got too much??

    I was thinking the same TBH...

    I certainly wouldn't have the balls to administer anything into a vein. I thought it was only an emergency measure that a vet would do after arriving late to a serious case??


  • #3321
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    vet said she once had to give a cow 9 bottles, for her to get up


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  • #3322
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    We had a suckler (580 Kgs) with Milk Fever a while back. Vet gave 2 bottles of Calciject (400 mls) intravenously and then one under the skin. 3 in total.


  • #3323
    whelan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    if you see an ad on done deal for a friesian bull would you assume he is holstein or british friesian?


  • #3324
    Richk2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Richk2012


    whelan1 wrote: »
    vet said she once had to give a cow 9 bottles, for her to get up

    9 bottles :eek: :eek: . Never in a month of sundays have i heard of that


  • #3325
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    i had my first meeting today with the new discussion group anyone else start


  • #3326
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    leg wax wrote: »
    i had my first meeting today with the new discussion group anyone else start

    Not a word from ours yet!


  • #3327
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Just in from a heifer calving. Had to get the vet to take him as he was coming tail first and legs were down. Thank god he's up and sucking. A nice red angus bull off a charolais cow.


  • #3328
    1chippy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    leg wax wrote: »
    i had my first meeting today with the new discussion group anyone else start

    Had ours this evening. seems pretty good. you can make out the lads that are out for the grand (minus deductions) and the lads that want to make the most of it. Got the profit monitor disc so another new toy to play with. Mainly all suckler farmers with 20 -50 cows. only one beef finisher.


  • #3329
    Bodacious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    Bulled first heifer lastnight, blue grey edj BB 24 mts gave her OZS, she is not a giant tall and I may sell her in next Christmas as a springer if she doesn't grow. That being said AI man said she was very roomy inside ... Maybe she could make a good average sized cow (less inputs) for me or someone


  • #3330
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    Bodacious wrote: »
    Bulled first heifer lastnight, blue grey edj BB 24 mts gave her OZS, she is not a giant tall and I may sell her in next Christmas as a springer if she doesn't grow. That being said AI man said she was very roomy inside ... Maybe she could make a good average sized cow (less inputs) for me or someone
    my good edj cow would calve a elephant,shes had 2 blues on her own had a part bull this year


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  • #3331
    Seaba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Seaba


    reilig wrote: »
    Just in from a heifer calving. Had to get the vet to take him as he was coming tail first and legs were down. Thank god he's up and sucking. A nice red angus bull off a charolais cow.
    The bull wasn't BOQ from Dovea by any chance? We had the exact same 2 weeks ago - red bull from a Charolais heifer. Big calf, needed a section. Thought the AI gave the wrong straw!


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