Hip-Hop 2012

mufcboy1999 · 04-04-2012 1:00am

VagnerLove wrote: »

I don't know where to say this, but fúck, Nicki Minaj is terrible. Overhyped rubbish. People are going to say she's pop so whatever, but some even hype her lyrically. I listened to as much of her album as I could and wow, this record is just horrible imo.

Booooo.

Ye just read an article about it, seems to be getting slated big time by everyone now.

Is it true she tried to do half of it pop and the other half hip hop?

Bobby Baccala · 04-04-2012 10:26pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLep4-VfZo

New game track, it's fairly bad.

conor.hogan.2 · 04-04-2012 10:56pm

Mixtape song^ not a single or an album song.

Bobby Baccala · 04-04-2012 11:00pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Mixtape song^ not a single or an album song.

And? Even by mixtape standards this is shít.

mufcboy1999 · 04-04-2012 11:00pm

looks to be another ft ridden mixtape, this is obviously a red album leftover as pharrell was the co- producer on it, doubt game forked out for a pharrell ft and more than likely production for a mixtape.

this one dropped today ft lupe called california republic another red album leftover, horrible song possibly the worst verse from lupe iv ever heard. Names being dropped all over the place, wayne, baby, eminem, dre, 50, nas, soulja boy, mayweather, pacquiao , lupe, etc all get a mention on this one.

another one ft fat joe and young chris, its not bad i like the sample not too mad on the actual verses, just too repetitive with all these features honestly struggles on his own back, mixtapes are album cuts, thats not proper mixtape material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fVL0gIRyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8-PL96BRjA

MD1990 · 05-04-2012 12:05pm

brand new Kanye West

Boom_Bap · 05-04-2012 12:23pm

MD1990 wrote: »

brand new Kanye West

Not the greatest, pretty much a stripped down version of the N*ggaz in Paris beat and lazy kanye rapping.

Jimmy Iovine · 05-04-2012 12:52pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Not the greatest, pretty much a stripped down version of the N*ggaz in Paris beat and lazy kanye rapping.

And DJ KHALED!!!! giving his usual shout outs and ruining songs.

mufcboy1999 · 05-04-2012 4:52pm

1st good friday single rumored to be coming tomorrow according to pusha t, album coming this spring some time.

mufcboy1999 · 05-04-2012 9:19pm

just a joke, so reliant on others.

disappointed, was hoping that the new material would have less ft's aswell as non-album cuts but this is just taking the pis*.

this is not mixtape material, these are album cuts like his last few mixtapes.

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PrettyBoy · 05-04-2012 9:35pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

disappointed, was hoping that the new material would have less ft's aswell as non-album cuts but this is ju*t taking the pis*.

this is not mixtape material, these are album cuts like his last few mixtapes.

It's just a mixtape, he's giving his fans tracks that didn't make his last album album plus a few new tracks, he's not trying to promote a new album, just giving away 24 songs for free - what's the problem?

Bobby Baccala · 05-04-2012 9:39pm

That is a ridiculous amount of featured artists, I miss the old game.

PrettyBoy · 05-04-2012 9:45pm

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

That is a ridiculous amount of featured artists, I miss the old game.

It's a ridiculous amount of tracks for someone like Game to give away on one tape. It's a lot but in fairness it's music he's giving to his fans for nothing, he's not promoting or trying to sell anything, just giving it away because he feels like it. If you don't want to hear all the features then don't download it, if you want to listen to the old Game then listen to his old albums.

mufcboy1999 · 05-04-2012 9:52pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's just a mixtape, he's giving his fans tracks that didn't make his last album album plus a few new tracks, he's not trying to promote a new album, just giving away 24 songs for free - what's the problem?

there's no problem, its just something i dont want to see from game anymore. its becoming more than annoying for me. Iv been crying out to hear game spit on his own back for ages.

most mixtapes are free so thats nothing different but he claims his mixtapes are great when the last few were nearly all album cuts, a bit disrespectful to the actual mixtape hustle imo. There albums not mixtapes in my eyes.

its just a crazy amount of ft's man, as if his albums dont have enough of them but now his mixtapes. im sorry but it just has to be said, its ridiculous at this stage, that tracklist is pathetic.

PrettyBoy · 05-04-2012 10:09pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

its just a crazy amount of ft's man, as if his albums dont have enough of them but now his mixtapes. im sorry but it just has to be said, its ridiculous at this stage, that tracklist is pathetic.

There are a ridiculous amount of features but I know no one here is surprised or disappointed, this was to be expected. I'm probably the biggest Game fan here but even I wasn't expecting big things from this tape. Now, after seeing the tracklist, I'm looking forward to hearing a few of the tracks, thought there would be 14 or 15 on there but out of 24 there's bound to be a few I like..

mufcboy1999 · 05-04-2012 10:42pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

There are a ridiculous amount of features but I know no one here is surprised or disappointed, this was to be expected. I'm probably the biggest Game fan here but even I wasn't expecting big things from this tape. Now, after seeing the tracklist, I'm looking forward to hearing a few of the tracks, thought there would be 14 or 15 on there but out of 24 there's bound to be a few I like..

this time round, i didnt expect it or at least as many as that. i didnt expect many features because game's dj talked about his new work to have less features and name drops as thats something he's getting slated for.

il give it a blast most defiantly, there's bound to be a few good one's like you said. Its just the less features on his music the more of actual the game we will hear. honestly most of his music is full of features, he's done this time and time again.

its time for something different from him because its been like this since the documentary and his g unit days and the thing that annoys me the most is he always tends sponge of the hottest rappers at that given time, i just want hear game not a we are the world record because thats what a lot of his stuff sounds like.

Jigga · 06-04-2012 1:48am

Game's mixtape can be listened to here:

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/game-california-republic-hosted-by-dj-skee-mixtape.50713.html

MD1990 · 06-04-2012 10:31am

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 12:07pm

Very meh, is this the good Friday single ?

Boom_Bap · 06-04-2012 1:43pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Very meh, is this the good Friday single ?

Yep, its the good Friday one. Absolute drivel.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 2:01pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's just a mixtape, he's giving his fans tracks that didn't make his last album album plus a few new tracks, he's not trying to promote a new album, just giving away 24 songs for free - what's the problem?

+1000

I don't get peoples problems with artists releasing too much material, for free for their fans.

More work no matter how bad you think it is lessens his previous work.

24 tracks means 24 verses from Game minimum whether he has 1 feature or 1000 features that fact does not change I do not see the problem.

If he did not have the fts he could have made that tape with say 10-12 songs which is what a lot of artists do but imo the more the better we are already over saturated with content.

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 2:23pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's just a mixtape, he's giving his fans tracks that didn't make his last album album plus a few new tracks, he's not trying to promote a new album, just giving away 24 songs for free - what's the problem?

+1000

I don't get peoples problems with artists releasing too much material, for free for their fans.

More work no matter how bad you think it is lessens his previous work.

No one is complaining about the free material, what I'm saying is the music is horrible and is doing him no favours.

the term quality not quantity obviuolsly has no meaning to you though in that case.

Again how you think this rapper is improving with a tracklist like that just baffles the life out of me, your seriously coming across as a fanboy in denial.

MD1990 · 06-04-2012 2:33pm

Kanye's GOOD music single is pretty sh1t
2012 has been pretty poor so far

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 3:15pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

No one is complaining about the free material, what I'm saying is the music is horrible and is doing him no favours.

the term quality not quantity obviuolsly has no meaning to you though in that case.

Again how you think this rapper is improving with a tracklist like that just baffles the life out of me, your seriously coming across as a fanboy in denial.

You can have quality and quantity, it does not have to be black and white. I will have to listen to this before I say whether it is good or not but no matter how many tracks are on it it does not affect how good or bad the mixtape or artist is.

I am a fanboy? Didn't you like Eminems last two albums?

I never said he was getting better based off this mixtape, this mixtape just came out.

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 3:36pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

No one is complaining about the free material, what I'm saying is the music is horrible and is doing him no favours.

the term quality not quantity obviuolsly has no meaning to you though in that case.

Again how you think this rapper is improving with a tracklist like that just baffles the life out of me, your seriously coming across as a fanboy in denial.

You can have quality and quantity, it does not have to be black and white. I will have to listen to this before I say whether it is good or not but no matter how many tracks are on it it does not affect how good or bad the mixtape or artist is.

I am a fanboy? Didn't you like Eminems last two albums?

I never said he was getting better based off this mixtape, this mixtape just came out.

No one is disputing the amount of tracks on it. I'm complaining about the amount of actual features on it, just backs up my point that game needs fts to make music.

I said I didn't mind crack a bottle vs INAD, never said I liked relapse it's was the exact opposite everything from ems flow to dre's production, don't know where your getting that from.

I liked recovery so what, how does that make me a fanboy lol ?

You said game is improving as a rapper , I never said anything about your claim being based of this mixtape, I only used the track list as an example to you that he's reliant on ft's and that he is clearly not improving if other artists still have a huge hand in his music.

Jimmy Iovine · 06-04-2012 3:42pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Kanye's GOOD music single is pretty sh1t
2012 has been pretty poor so far

It has been if you are relying on Kanye, Big Sean and 2 Chainz to provide your music.

Chamillionaire, Koncept, Emcee Jermaine, Curren$y and Big K.R.I.T. have all put out some great releases. You just have to go looking for them. Don't forget Freddie Gibbs and Madlib still have to release their album. As do Exile and Fashwan. That's going to be unreal.

My pick of them all would be Koncept and Emcee Jermaine, with Jermaine taking it by a nose. His EP is amazingly good. Come the end of the year I'd be surprised if I've heard too many that are better.

Bobby Baccala · 06-04-2012 3:46pm

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

It has been if you are relying on Kanye, Big Sean and 2 Chainz to provide your music.

Chamillionaire, Koncept, Emcee Jermaine, Curren$y and Big K.R.I.T. have all put out some great releases. You just have to go looking for them. Don't forget Freddie Gibbs and Madlib still have to release their album. As do Exile and Fashwan. That's going to be unreal.

My pick of them all would be Koncept and Emcee Jermaine, with Jermaine taking it by a nose. His EP is amazingly good. Come the end of the year I'd be surprised if I've heard too many that are better.

+1 on chamillionaire. Top notch EP brought out by him last month.

MD1990 · 06-04-2012 4:29pm

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

It has been if you are relying on Kanye, Big Sean and 2 Chainz to provide your music.

Chamillionaire, Koncept, Emcee Jermaine, Curren$y and Big K.R.I.T. have all put out some great releases. You just have to go looking for them. Don't forget Freddie Gibbs and Madlib still have to release their album. As do Exile and Fashwan. That's going to be unreal.

My pick of them all would be Koncept and Emcee Jermaine, with Jermaine taking it by a nose. His EP is amazingly good. Come the end of the year I'd be surprised if I've heard too many that are better.

yeah Cham's EP was great
i don't listen to the artists u named though

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 4:35pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

No one is disputing the amount of tracks on it. I'm complaining about the amount of actual features on it, just backs up my point that game needs fts to make music.

I liked recovery so what, how does that make me a fanboy lol ?

You said game is improving as a rapper , I never said anything about your claim being based of this mixtape, I only used the track list as an example to you that he's reliant on ft's and that he is clearly not improving if other artists still have a huge hand in his music.

Whether he needs fts or not does not take away anything from his verses on his tracks.

Again features have no bearing on the Games verses on his songs. His verses are his verses if he wanted to have 5 features on every song that does not change his material.

Jimmy Iovine · 06-04-2012 4:39pm

MD1990 wrote: »

yeah Cham's EP was great
i don't listen to the artists u named though

You should then. A few years ago I limited myself to certain artists. But now I'm looking up guys that are mentioned here. Soon enough you realise what you like and what you don't. Every release that I mentioned in my post is top notch and levels above that GOOD music tune.

Bobby Baccala · 06-04-2012 4:51pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Whether he needs fts or not does not take away anything from his verses on his tracks.

Again features have no bearing on the Games verses on his songs. His verses are his verses if he wanted to have 5 features on every song that does not change his material.

It'd be nice to hear some new game stuff minus the feats though. I just want to hear one song from him where he doesn't rely on other rappers to polish off the song. 1 verse per song from the main rapper doesn't cut it for me.

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 5:02pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Whether he needs fts or not does not take away anything from his verses on his tracks.

Again features have no bearing on the Games verses on his songs. His verses are his verses if he wanted to have 5 features on every song that does not change his material.

whats so special about his verses? its name drop after drop so predictable...

the ft's have a huge Bering on the impact of his music though i.e without wayne on red nation ft wayne, pot of gold ft chrs brown, hate it or love it ft 50, how we do ft 50, one blood ft junior read, my life ft lil wayne the list is endless and they obviously have a bearing on his verses as he has a habit of mimicking other rappers styles most of the time when he's on a track with them.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 5:13pm

His verses are his verses, if he wants to have Barney samples on every second song I don't see the problem you can skip all the features if you want.

His new album will have no features and most of the name drops are in punchlines, not in a "look at me I know X" sort of way. I can see how people don't like him though.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

It'd be nice to hear some new game stuff minus the feats though. I just want to hear one song from him where he doesn't rely on other rappers to polish off the song. 1 verse per song from the main rapper doesn't cut it for me.

Well you will get your wish on his new album. I don't know many of his songs where he only has 1 verse though.

(also as much as I like Game he is not in my top 5 current hip-hop artists even possibly top 10, I just like his music. Actually he probably would not be in my top 5 rappers from the west atm either.)

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 5:27pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

wayne on red nation ft wayne, pot of gold ft chrs brown, hate it or love it ft 50, how we do ft 50, one blood ft junior read, my life ft lil wayne the list is endless and they obviously have a bearing on his verses as he has a habit of mimicking other rappers styles most of the time when he's on a track with them.

Hook, Hook, verses from his labelmates and group member on his debut, same as previous song, another hook, yet another hook.

Great examples of "too many" features.

Zero-Cool · 06-04-2012 6:44pm

Vid of Tech N9ne, Krizz Kaliko and Ces Cru with their tune Unfair at Strange HQ promoting their current tour and I spose Ces Cru's new mixtapes 'The Deevil' and 'Matter Don't Money' coming out soon. Great song and Ces Cru are just class, gonna be a big year for them I'd say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID3ko66HIts

BREDNEP · 06-04-2012 8:45pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk059-HipS4

New Ab-Soul...

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 8:57pm

loving that ab soul track, great instrumental too.

i cant wait for the 1st black hippy album, each of them just bring something different to the table, there all very unique imo.

Hook, Hook, verses from his labelmates and group member on his debut, same as previous song, another hook, yet another hook.

Great examples of "too many" features.

im hardly going to name every single song, id be here all day. All people have to do is look at his tracklists and do the math. Im not trying to prove a point either , its just something i dont want to see anymore from him which you seem to challenge me on defending the fact he relies on other artists.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 9:10pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

im hardly going to name every single song, id be here all day. All people have to do is look at his tracklists and do the math. Im not trying to prove a point either , its just something i dont want to see anymore from him which you seem to challenge me on defending the fact he relies on other artists.

Besides his debut where he worked with his label mates and group members you named all tracks that had people on the hook which is very very normal for rappers.

The tracklist may say features but a lot of them are for hooks, not verses. On his albums especially he does not have a lot more rapper features than most other artists.

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 10:23pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Besides his debut where he worked with his label mates and group members you named all tracks that had people on the hook which is very very normal for rappers.

The tracklist may say features but a lot of them are for hooks, not verses. On his albums especially he does not have a lot more rapper features than most other artists.

he had 12 ft's on an 18 cut album on his debut , verses and hooks dont come into mate a feature is a feature. Now im not going to criticize anyone for their debut on too many ft's that would be wrong because he actually needed those people to kick start his career. most artists debuts are the same.

DA had 13 ft's on a 16 cut album, another 13 on a 19 cut album in lax and then red with around 17 fts on a 21 cut album with the likes of wayne and dre ft'd more than once.

i say hooks and verses dont come into because game always struggled on his hooks, ye he's done well on a few but that was one of the reasons behind him being on the verge of being dropped by aftermath before he joined g unit even knocturnal said it, dont take my word.

http://hiphopwired.com/2010/01/27/knoc-turn%E2%80%99al-says-50-cent-saved-the-games-career-game-responds-video/

I didn't hate. They didn't do what they was supposed to do… I'm gonna say something about the 50 Cent/ The Game beef. If somebody is making you a $100-million a year and then somebody else is coming in and trying to destroy that, is that not Satan. What I'm saying is he (The Game) came back around and now he's back with Dre because he stopped being a follower of the devil. (I guess the devil is 50 Cent). The devil is active always. It's no disrespect to Game but it's a reason why I don't do songs with certain people. Maturity is the key.

Let me tell you about business instead of where you from. Game is from Compton. OK, we know that. Game was about to get dropped from Aftermath. Aftermath and Interscope was about to drop him and 50 Cent picked him up and put hooks on his stuff. The only reason he was about to get dropped from Aftermath was because he couldn't make no hooks for his own music. So 50 Cent picked him up, made some hooks for him and put him out and he sold 5 million records.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 10:30pm

There is a huge difference between someone on a hook and a rapper actually doing a guest verse.

On his albums he is not over the top with actual guest verses.

Most rappers suck at hooks. 50 himself sucked at them before JMJ helped him out.

Whereas 50 learned to write good hooks and went on to be very very very well known, Game did not and went on to just rap and was therefore less successful. I see no problem with a rapper getting a singer or another rapper for a hook, why do your own hooks if you are bad at them? (even with practice he would likely never be good on a hook it is not his style)

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 11:13pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

There is a huge difference between someone on a hook and a rapper actually doing a guest verse.

On his albums he is not over the top with actual guest verses.

Most rappers suck at hooks. 50 himself sucked at them before JMJ helped him out.

Whereas 50 learned to write good hooks and went on to be very very very well known, Game did not and went on to just rap and was therefore less successful. I see no problem with a rapper getting a singer or another rapper for a hook, why do your own hooks if you are bad at them? (even with practice he would likely never be good on a hook it is not his style)

well its been what 7 years , thats time enough to learn how. you talk about game improving as a rapper when iv just gave you a perfect reason why he isnt but you make yet another excuse for him for not learning how to make a hook (its not his style) come on man anyone can learn and improve.

and yes you are a more complete rapper if you can do your own hooks, the hook is a very important structure of any song its what can make or break it. My whole argument has been game is reliant on other artists to make music, you have argued against it, you've just proved me right.

im finished on it, thats all i was saying mate.:)

I see no problem with a rapper getting a singer or another rapper for a hook, why do your own hooks if you are bad at them?

conor.hogan.2 · 06-04-2012 11:29pm

No, there have been rappers around for 20+ years who just don't do hooks, that is just not what they do it is not a defect nor does it make them any less of an artist it is just one aspect they lack.

He is a rapper, not a rapper and a r&b artist, not that there is anything wrong with being that.

mufcboy1999 · 06-04-2012 11:59pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

No, there have been rappers around for 20+ years who just don't do hooks, that is just not what they do it is not a defect nor does it make them any less of an artist it is just one aspect they lack.

He is a rapper, not a rapper and a r&b artist, not that there is anything wrong with being that.

whatever buddy, id have better chance of getting blood from a stone than trying to convince you that game needs ft's for verses and hooks even when its right in front of you.

im not commenting anymore on it.:)

conor.hogan.2 · 07-04-2012 12:12am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

whatever buddy, id have better chance of getting blood from a stone than trying to convince you that game needs ft's for verses and hooks even when its right in front of you.

im not commenting anymore on it.:)

He needs it for hooks, like 1000's of other rappers. For verses though he does not have any more than the average.

Jimmy Iovine · 07-04-2012 1:51am

Just read that Killer Mike and Big Boi are going to be releasing an album together.

Absolutely brilliant news. Anything with Big Boi is great but with Mike added in it should be even better. Their track on Speakerboxxx was quite good. It should definitely be one of the better collabs this year if it gets released before then.

“I’m looking forward to going back and forth with Big a whole record. Like people always like the collaborations we did,” Killer Mike explained. “And I’m not talking about the ‘Whole World’ stuff you know, the ‘A.D.I.D.A.S.’ I’m talking about ‘Bust.’ You know what I mean? Snapping and trapping. When it’s just me and him, just two pitbulls going at a bone.”

“So I’m looking forward to going 12 songs back and forth. And I’mma just tell ya’ll like my whole inspiration is that pimp, playa Big Boi ****. The beats I’m picking and bringing to it man, this gonna be some of that slum, drum Cadillac music. Believe that.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzcDOqGnFQQ

Kylo Ren · 07-04-2012 4:03pm

I just got round to Emcee Jermaine's album - Jermaine's EP.

Absolutely loved it. Simple, smart lyrics. No bull****.

You can listen to it hear:

http://soundcloud.com/diamondmedia360/sets/emcee-jermaine-jermaines-ep-1

Jimmy Iovine · 07-04-2012 6:35pm

It's great. I bought it on iTunes a few months ago. Best €4 I've ever spent. Everything about it is brilliant, especially the title.

He's working on his album at the moment. He's hoping for an autumn release. Twitter is great for finding out things about underground artists.

Kylo Ren · 07-04-2012 7:22pm

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

It's great. I bought it on iTunes a few months ago. Best €4 I've ever spent. Everything about it is brilliant, especially the title.

He's working on his album at the moment. He's hoping for an autumn release. Twitter is great for finding out things about underground artists.

€3 now. I followed him on Twitter. He's on just over 500 followers, which is kinda depressing. He deserves much more.

Eagerly awaiting that album now. I've listened to the EP twice today. PRobably give it another go later too!

Jimmy Iovine · 07-04-2012 10:29pm

"New" Jay Elec. I've used the inverted commas because he first previewed this track way back in '09 I think. Now he's finally released the CDQ version. A sure sign that his album is not far off. Of course for Electronica that means that we'll be lucky if we see it before 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CwjUpHQ18

Jimmy Iovine · 07-04-2012 10:34pm

Keno 92 wrote: »

€3 now. I followed him on Twitter. He's on just over 500 followers, which is kinda depressing. He deserves much more.

Eagerly awaiting that album now. I've listened to the EP twice today. PRobably give it another go later too!

The great thing about that is that he writes back to you. I've had a few replies from him to things. He seems like a real nice guy. Doesn't curse in his songs at all. He doesn't feel the need to at all.

I've got really high hopes for his album. Not in commercial sales sense, but definitely quality wise. His song "Gone In 60 Seconds: Part I" is only one verse long and it's better than an awful lot of the stuff that I've heard, and especially the majority of the chart songs.

Hip-Hop 2012

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