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Getting rid of the diving!

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  • #62
    counterlock
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    Flancrest wrote: »
    This is my point. There is no line. Win at any cost.

    Crap attitude, crap post.

    /exits thread


  • #63
    Flancrest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Flancrest


    counterlock wrote: »
    Crap attitude, crap post.

    /exits thread
    Why don't you start a moral high ground thread and post in that and I'll start a winning trophies thread.


  • #64
    Leftist
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    liverpool complaining about diving :D


  • #65
    Guy:Incognito
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    Des wrote: »
    If you are running full pelt and someone even slightly clips your ankle, you are going to fall down.
    .

    You might fall down at times. I wonder if you were allowed to trip players would we suddenly see a huge amount of players magically being able to stay on their feet?


  • #66
    Flancrest
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You might fall down at times. I wonder if you were allowed to trip players would we suddenly see a huge amount of players magically being able to stay on their feet?
    No because no matter what the rules of football are the laws of physics remain the same.


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  • #67
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You might fall down at times. I wonder if you were allowed to trip players would we suddenly see a huge amount of players magically being able to stay on their feet?

    "Hacking" used to be allowable under the laws of the game, back in the day.


  • #68
    Guy:Incognito
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    Flancrest wrote: »
    No because no matter what the rules of football are the laws of physics remain the same.

    Which part of physics says that every tip on the ankle will bring a player down? The fact that every players doesnt go down under the slightest tip proves you wrong.

    If its just going to be a free for all and anythign goes, why bother with refs? Just let the game police itself. Maybe the Italians have it right, just pay off the refs, other teams and anyone else you need to to win. In fact , why bother playign the matches at all, just get the owners sat around a table and buy the points they want.


  • #69
    Guy:Incognito
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    Des wrote: »
    "Hacking" used to be allowable under the laws of the game, back in the day.

    I dont see how that addresses what you were saying and I replied to. Did every player go down under every tackle? Could have sworn I've seen videos of players like George Best and Maradona being kicked numerous times while runnign with the ball, yet not rolling around in a heap .


  • #70
    witnessmenow
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z9Puha0eY


    Bellamy gets a bit of a rub from Dempsey there. It's still much more than Reina did to Perch.

    There just isnt a need for the rollign around ont he ground. The fact he was back up again a few seconds later and not so much a a graze on his face should be enough to show how ridiculous it is. God help him if he's ever in a fight.

    I'm sure its been said but i havent got a chance to read through the entire thread, but here lies the problem.

    The reward for a bit of play acting is too great.

    The Reina and Dempsey incidents are great examples of the what happens depending on how you approach the situation

    Reina one:
    Perch went to the ground holding his face, Opposition are reduced to 10 men

    Dempsey one(which was much worse)
    Bellamy stands there looking at the ref, Dempsey gets a yellow so does Bellamy.

    Im 100% confident if Bellamy went down Dempsey would have gotten sent off and he would not have been booked. Bellamy's reward for doing the honest thing was to leave 11 men on the pitch for Fulham and receive a yellow himself.

    Why wouldn't you do what Perch did if they are your options? I know not every ref is going to give the recieving player a yellow card for standing there, but why take the risk?


  • #71
    ArmaniJeanss
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    I've often wondered if it considered that big a problem by the worldwide football community, or is it just the UK (and by extension Ireland) football people, media and commentators that get their knickers in a twist over it?


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  • #72
    Flancrest
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Which part of physics says that every tip on the ankle will bring a player down? The fact that every players doesnt go down under the slightest tip proves you wrong.

    If its just going to be a free for all and anythign goes, why bother with refs? Just let the game police itself.
    Well I don't beleive I said that exactly. But it is a fact that the faster an object moves the more unstable it becomes thus any slight contact is likely to bring a person running at full speed to the ground.

    Also the reason for refs is to implement the laws of the game.


  • #73
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I dont see how that addresses what you were saying and I replied to. .

    It doesn't, it was just a piece of trivia that I thought may be interesting. AFAIK it was outlawed pretty early in the development of the game, so footage may not exist.

    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Did every player go down under every tackle? .

    Don't know, I'm old, but I wasn't attending games in the early 1900s :)
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Could have sworn I've seen videos of players like George Best and Maradona being kicked numerous times while runnign with the ball, yet not rolling around in a heap .

    Correct.


  • #74
    Guy:Incognito
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    witnessmenow wrote: »
    Dempsey one(which was much worse)
    Bellamy stands there looking at the ref, Dempsey gets a yellow so does Bellamy.

    Bellamy got a yellow for the initial tackle, as did Perch at the weekend. Just for clarity.


  • #75
    Guy:Incognito
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    Des wrote: »
    It doesn't, it was just a piece of trivia that I thought may be interesting. AFAIK it was outlawed pretty early in the development of the game, so footage may not exist.




    Don't know, I'm old, but I wasn't attending games in the early 1900s :)



    Correct.

    So this was a load of bollocks then?
    Des wrote: »
    If you are running full pelt and someone even slightly clips your ankle, you are going to fall down.
    .


  • #76
    Guy:Incognito
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    Flancrest wrote: »
    Well I don't beleive I said that exactly..

    Des said that exactly and you weighed in behind him using physics as backup.


  • #77
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So this was a load of bollocks then?

    Nope, not at all, there's a difference between being kicked, and getting tackled about the ankles while running at full pelt.

    If you look at Messi, Maradonna etc, they actually manage to actively avoid the contact which would tip them over - OR - they have a lower centre of gravity and don't fall as easily as a taller player (for example, C Ronaldo).


  • #78
    Guy:Incognito
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    Des wrote: »
    Nope, not at all, there's a difference between being kicked, and getting tackled about the ankles while running at full pelt.

    If you look at Messi, Maradonna etc, they actually manage to actively avoid the contact which would tip them over - OR - they have a lower centre of gravity and don't fall as easily as a taller player (for example, C Ronaldo).

    Your moving the goalposts now. Your original statement was quite definate and no talk of lower centres of gravity.


  • #79
    ShooterSF
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    Clear zero contact diving followed by clear protests at no foul being given or not pointing out you simply lost balance to a ref that gives a foul should see a suspension after a post match review.

    With that said, the cause of exaggerating contact needs to be reviewed. If referees were getting calls right and giving fouls that were fouls then I doubt players would feel the need to clearly emphasise that they were fouled so regularly .Too often I see a player try and stay on his feet and not be rewarded with the free/penalty he should have been, especially penalties.


  • #80
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Your moving the goalposts now. Your original statement was quite definate and no talk of lower centres of gravity.

    I'm not moving anything. This is a naturally evolving discussion.


  • #81
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    ShooterSF wrote: »
    or not pointing out you simply lost balance to a ref that gives a foul should see a suspension after a post match review.

    lolwut?


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  • #82
    Guy:Incognito
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    Des wrote: »
    I'm not moving anything. This is a naturally evolving discussion.

    Nope, your short, definate statment wasnt open to "evolving".


  • #83
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Nope, your short, definate statment wasnt open to "evolving".

    ok mr ESP mindreader.


  • #84
    Flancrest
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Des said that exactly and you weighed in behind him using physics as backup.
    But you directed your reply at me.
    I still stand by my point but at no stage did I say any tap on the ankle would bring a player down. Its just when they're running at full pace a slight knock will bring them down


  • #85
    elefant
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    There are some great videos of Ronaldo playing for Barca and Inter on youtube where he keeps going despite being constantly kicked out at. (It's actually sad that things like that even stand out in a video on sports!)


  • #86
    Flancrest
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    elefant wrote: »
    There are some great videos of Ronaldo playing for Barca and Inter on youtube where he keeps going despite being constantly kicked out at. (It's actually sad that things like that even stand out in a video on sports!)
    They're pretty much freaks of nature though. The reactions needed to aviod those kicks is unbelieveable


  • #87
    citytillidie
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    quarryman wrote: »
    A reference to the Liverpool game and no mention of this? boo! :)

    Carroll-gif.gif

    or the King himself ;)
    Gerrard-dive-comp.gif



    Every. Single. Game. It's getting tiring, considering his "history" on the matter:

    634569-luis-suarez.jpg

    And from the Newcastle V Liverpool game we seen a Newcastle player block a shot on the line with his arm and get away with it. Why not mention that, oh yea it goes against your anti Liverpool nature.

    Plenty of players have handled the ball on the line to save their team.

    ******



  • #88
    Leftist
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    citytillidie wrote: »
    And from the Newcastle V Liverpool game we seen a Newcastle player block a shot on the line with his arm and get away with it. Why not mention that, oh yea it goes against your anti Liverpool nature.

    Plenty of players have handled the ball on the line to save their team.

    Decisions like that are ignored practically every second game. but for liverpool it's a conspiracy. He seen it last minute and moved his shoulder towards the ball, yes it struck his upper arm but get over it, it was from about two yards.

    it's well beyond a joke now with liverool crying cheat. Suarez is the worst example in football.

    luis%20suarez%20outrageous%20tackle.gif

    rodwell00bkl.gif


  • #89
    Funky G
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    The sooner football gets dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century the better.

    Goal line technology is needed and the forth official looking at instant replays to sort out what exactly has happened. That's how Zidane got sent off in the WC final. Only because the ref missed it, the forth official saw it on a replay and informed the ref what happened.

    FIFA and UEFA have their heads in the sand. They have been told to get with the times. It will be at least another generation before this issue is resolved. All major sports have it to continue the flow of the game. Sure they used video replays in the rugby "Bloodgate" scandal.

    Diving is part n parcel of the game now.

    Drogba, Ronaldo, Gerrard et all have all dived at some point and others will continue to follow, literally.

    Carroll's dive would have won him a gold medal in the Olympics and possibly a different outcome in the game on Sunday. Instead it made him and Liverpool have a very bad day.

    Reina's actions were stupid. He should have used more common sense but it was a heat of the moment reaction. Again. Pearch should have man'd up but in this day and age, not a chance. His reactions were a joke. Contact was minimal. He rolled around for a bit, got up and continued on.


  • #90
    Brendan97
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    They should change football back to the way it was 50-60 years ago, for a couple of seasons, when if you chopped a player down from behind it was seen as a good tackle (even with no ball contact)
    The days when george best was playing! (Thats why i respect him above any modern day footballer, they wouldn't last a game back then)
    That would mean divers, either cut it out and play or don't start and get moved to a league 2 team


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  • #91
    UrbanSea
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    I can't believe people are giving out about Perch above Carrol.

    At the end of the day there was contact, so it can't be a dive. Yes it was exaggerated, but should Reina have gotten away with a headbutt just because Perch stayed on his feet? No chance.


    What Carroll did at the other end was worse. Had he have conned the referee like he had attempted to it would have resulted in a penalty and a sending off. That would have killed the game, or he could have stayed on his feet and scored. That would have changed the game and may have meant a Liverpool win.


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