Getting rid of the diving!

amacachi

Paully D wrote: »

That would never work.

What happens if someone clashes heads then needs medical attention?

Medical attention = subbed off.

Paully D

amacachi wrote: »

Medical attention = subbed off.

That idea is absolutely insane then.

amacachi

Paully D wrote: »

That idea is absolutely insane then.

Make an exception for blood perhaps. If someone is rolling around "in agony" for 30 seconds, play stops and they're back on as soon as play continues then they're either diving or have something seriously wrong with them. Sick and tired of seeing it.

RoryMac

cson wrote: »

As an Arsenal fan I always have a chuckle at **** all being made of the likes of Carroll and Bale (to name just two recent exhibitions) diving after Eduardo was publicly strung up on a cross by UEFA for diving against Celtic.

The authorities will take action when it suits them, like they do with almost everything else in football.

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

cgpg5

I've said it before in the Arsenal Spurs thread, when Bale dived to win a penalty, that similar to rugby a citing commissioner should be in place to assess incidences of play-acting in the days after the game and, subsequently, one match bans can be imposed if they find a player guilty. Would help stamp it out imo.

That's of course if the culprit hasn't been punished already by the ref during the game. Now with regard to Perch he should get away with it as he was struck by means of a sending off offence- that would be a headbutt, two-footed challenge or punch/slap etc. If the player was deemed to have dived to avoid contact or due to contact from such then they should avoid punishment. However if they do like Bale has done all season and go down under limited or no contact then it should lead to a suspension.

greendom

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

Over-turned because it was impossible to say with certainty that he dived. There was contact. Maybe he did dive, we'll never know for sure unless Eduardo confesses. That's why it's almost impossible to legislate against.

Paully D

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

NIMAN

IF FIFA and UEFA had the political will, and balls, they could sort of the diving and acting, and the lack of respect in the game tomorrow.

But they haven't got the will.

greendom

Paully D wrote: »

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

I think the ref was going to give a pen last week when Sanchez went over in the Barca Milan game; the lino behind the goal told him not to. Not certain about this btw - but that was the impression I got.

Guy:Incognito

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched.

Is that not why his mammy thought he to speak as a child?

RoryMac

Paully D wrote: »

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

I think the idea of officials behind the goals is a good one but agreed for some reason they don't seem to have any power to make decisions. Used correctly they could have a big impact not just on dives in the box but also on the amount of holding etc that happens during corners and set pieces around the box.

Guy:Incognito

greendom wrote: »

Until there is the technology to be able to know with 100% certainty that a player intended to dive

If theres no contact and he goes down, Dive. If he moves his legs towards the opposition player to make sure theres contact, Dive. Cameras show all this quite clearly already.

Or the classic, already going down in "anticipation" of contact and ending up dropping their knees down into the tackler. That happens in nearly every game. The first contact is somehow made 6 inches off the ground by hitting knees. I dont know many players that can get their knees that low unless they are already falling.

eh i dunno wrote: »

Perch got a yellow card and there was contact from Reina's headbutt

Perch got a yellow card for tripping Reina in the first place. How could he get a yellow card for going down when the ref thought Reina headbutted him and sent him off?

batistuta9

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

that's not why the extra officials were brought in :pac:

and eduardo's ban was over turned because he didn't dive

Guy:Incognito

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z9Puha0eY

Bellamy gets a bit of a rub from Dempsey there. It's still much more than Reina did to Perch.

There just isnt a need for the rollign around ont he ground. The fact he was back up again a few seconds later and not so much a a graze on his face should be enough to show how ridiculous it is. God help him if he's ever in a fight.

Mr Alan

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z9Puha0eY

And therein lies the issue, the brain trust in here thinks Bellamy should have dropped to the floor & rolled around like a lunatic, yet in the next breath they preach how we need to eradicate diving & theatrics. Madness.

Personally I've reluctantly started to accept that with the authorities clearly not interested in tackling the issue, it's here to stay & people just need to accept it.

Be pissed off about the refs missing it etc all you want, but less of the moral high horses.

amacachi

Mr Alan wrote: »

And therein lies the issue, the brain trust in here thinks Bellamy should have dropped to the floor & rolled around like a lunatic, yet in the next breath they preach how we need to eradicate diving & theatrics. Madness.

Got any quotes where anyone says people should react like that? All I said is that I understand why players feel the need to go down to get frees because referees don't seem to give anything unless someone hits the deck or stops to remonstrate.

Mr Alan

amacachi wrote: »

Got any quotes where anyone says people should react like that?

As requested.

eh i dunno wrote: »

Theres contact. If some wannabe hardman hits me with his head you'd wanna be mad not to make the most of it and get him sent off

Guy:Incognito

Mr Alan wrote: »

As requested.

This is in the same vein too

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched. .

Mr Alan

There was a few in a similar vein.

amacachi

Do those same posters say that such behaviour should be punished? It's not hypocrisy when it's different people saying different things? Most people aren't condoning it.

Flancrest

Diving is a skill in the modern game. You do whatever you can to win games because of the money involved. You can't really blame managers for employing this tactic

counterlock

Flancrest wrote: »

Diving is a skill in the modern game. You do whatever you can to win games because of the money involved. You can't really blame managers for employing this tactic

Its this kind of attitude that has lead to it being so rampant. And where do you draw the line then? Do you deliberately try to foul/hurt their best players to win? Do you take PED's knowing that the chances of you being caught is very slim?

Yellow for Carroll was fine. Red for Reina was fine. Its the theatrics from Perch I think most people have the problem with.

Flancrest

counterlock wrote: »

Its this kind of attitude that has lead to it being so rampant. And where do you draw the line then? Do you deliberately try to foul/hurt their best players to win? Do you take PED's knowing that the chances of you being caught is very slim?

Yellow for Carroll was fine. Red for Reina was fine. Its the theatrics from Perch I think most people have the problem with.

He did what he had to do to make sure Reins got sent off. Its the correct action to take in that situation. I'm sure he got a pat on the back from Pardew for it

_blank_

The actions that some of you classify as "dives" aren't dives at all.

If you are running full pelt and someone even slightly clips your ankle, you are going to fall down.

Now, the rolling around is a bit stupid, admittedly.

counterlock

Its the correct action to take in that situation.

How is it the correct action to take? Is the objective of the game to get as many opponents sent off as you can and win in the worst possible way?

_blank_

Jesus Wept, when are Irish people going to get the hell over something that happened years ago.

Flancrest

counterlock wrote: »

How is it the correct action to take? Is the objective of the game to get as many opponents sent off as you can and win in the worst possible way?

Yes winning is everything. By whatever means necessary. Don't tell me you've never celebrated a win your team got by cheating. Moral victories don't win trophies

counterlock

Des wrote: »

Jesus Wept, when are Irish people going to get the hell over something that happened years ago.

When we get back to a world cup

But seriously, if you are going to cheat to win - then where do you draw the line.

Flancrest

counterlock wrote: »

When we get back to a world cup

But seriously, if you are going to cheat to win - then where do you draw the line.

This is my point. There is no line. Win at any cost.

_blank_

counterlock wrote: »

When we get back to a world cup

But seriously, if you are going to cheat to win - then where do you draw the line.

Interested to know what team you support.

Suarez is roundly lauded as a "hero" for his handball in the WC, well, everywhere apart from Ghana.