Getting rid of the diving!

Davekoolhill

Lads, I really thought the dive by Perch yesterday was a disgrace.

Do any of you think he will be suspended for it? What should be done to stop this horrible art of play acting in soccer these day?

Mikeyt086

He wont be suspended for it, and Liverpool will not be appealing the decision. Unfortunately nobody seems to care about players who make themselves look like big girls blouses, and ANY contact seems to justify their actions. Sergio Busquets has made a living out of it. (That was a joke, before the La Liga purists eat me alive)

The real disgrace was Andy Carroll's dive, what made it worse was that he seemingly had an open goal to roll the ball into...

Davekoolhill

But I think the play acting is a lot worse than the diving. It makes footballers look like complete pussys!

Brendan97

Referees shouldn't be able to send a player off for a dive (in case he gets it wrong)
Players found to have dived after reviewing footage (after the game) should be a minimum 2 game ban

Professional Griefer

Davekoolhill wrote: »

But I think the play acting is a lot worse than the diving. It makes footballers look like complete pussys!

And diving trying to get a peno doesn't? When there wasn't even close to contact.

Boom_Bap

Suarez can also be bad, I'm not talking about diving, but if he gets touched, which he does alot, he makes the most of it. He also wildly gestures for handballs in every game.

But I still love him.

In relation to Andy Carroll, he actually falls like that quite alot, this time it was in the area in a high profile game for him.

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched. The rolling around like been clothes lined by the Big Show and then up straight away injury free thing grinds my gears.

PCPhoto

players that are easily spotted diving/play acting ...should get a minimum 5 game ban and months wages fine !!

only way to hurt them is let them hurt on both financial and pitch.

greendom

Until there is the technology to be able to know with 100% certainty that a player intended to dive I don't think it's possible to legislate on this. Even with Carroll yesterday, Dalglish claimed that he slipped. Can you say with absolute certainty that he didn't.

Bale seems to be the worst culprit to me this season, and yet he claims he's not trying to get a favourable decision from the ref, but just to avoid serious injury from the incoming tackle. Can you blame him ? Should he be booked for wanting to keep both his legs in one piece ?

Paully D

As much as I'd love a free dig at criticising a Newcastle player, I don't think Perch's can really be called ''a dive''. Reina struck his head into his face and by the letter of the law it's a sending off offense. If Perch doesn't go down then Reina probably gets away with it, so you're faced with players needed to go down for a player to get their deserved punishment. If players knew that referees would give the correct punishment and they didn't need to go down to emphaise the contact then I think that would cut most of it out.

As for actual diving, Carroll gave a perfect example of it yesterday and that should most definitely be cut out, but won't. It's the way the game has gone and won't be changed in the foreseeable future, unfortunately.

Davekoolhill

Yes I guess it is just as bad, but I would agree then that heavy bans should be dished out after the games are reviewed. I remember rivaldo's playacting against turkey in the 2002 world cup.

NIMAN

Too ingrained in football now, no getting rid of it.

Mikeyt086

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Suarez can also be bad, I'm not talking about diving, but if he gets touched, which he does alot, he makes the most of it. He also wildly gestures for handballs in every game.

But I still love him.

In relation to Andy Carroll, he actually falls like that quite alot, this time it was in the area in a high profile game for him.

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched. The rolling around like been clothes lined by the Big Show and then up straight away injury free thing grinds my gears.

Haha he really does. Himself and Robbie Keane as a front pairing would give a ref a heart attack!

willowthewisp

Paully D wrote: »

As much as I'd love a free dig at criticising a Newcastle player, I don't think Perch's can really be called ''a dive''. Reina struck his head into his face and by the letter of the law it's a sending off offense. If Perch doesn't go down then Reina probably gets away with it, so you're faced with players needed to go down for a player to get their deserved punishment. If players knew that referees would give the correct punishment and they didn't need to go down to emphaise the contact then I think that would cut most of it out.

As for actual diving, Carroll gave a perfect example of it yesterday and that should most definitely be cut out, but won't. It's the way the game has gone and won't be changed in the foreseeable future, unfortunately.

What a load of nonsense, while people make up excuses like yours, diving will continue

quarryman

A reference to the Liverpool game and no mention of this? boo!



or the King himself

Boom_Bap wrote: »

He also wildly gestures for handballs in every game.

Every. Single. Game. It's getting tiring, considering his "history" on the matter:

Mr Alan

Carrolls was a horrid dive. He got punished for it rightly.

Perch's was equally ludicrous & escaped punishment.

Professional Griefer

Mr Alan wrote: »

Carrolls was a horrid dive. He got punished for it rightly.

Perch's was equally ludicrous & escaped punishment.

Half agree with you, Carroll got his punishment so there shouldn't be such a big deal around it, he made a fool out of himself, and I got a fantastic laugh out of it, but he was punished.

Yeah Perch did something stupid as well, but I don't think he deserves to be punished cause of the contact that was there. I'm not saying what he did was ok though.

eh i dunno

Mr Alan wrote: »

Carrolls was a horrid dive. He got punished for it rightly.

Perch's was equally ludicrous & escaped punishment.

Perch got a yellow card and there was contact from Reina's headbutt

quarryman

Mr Alan wrote: »

Perch's was equally ludicrous & escaped punishment.

No he didn't.

Mr Alan

Perches yellow was presumably for the initial foul on Reina?

Bit of a stretch to think it was for his ridiculous theatrics.

Luap

I think Carroll thought he had a better chance of getting on the GB Olympic diving team, then the Olympic soccer team, hence his 10 out of 10 dive.

eh i dunno

Mr Alan wrote: »

Perches yellow was presumably for the initial foul on Reina?

Bit of a stretch to think it was for his ridiculous theatrics.

And?? What else do you want him to get punished for? Falling after getting a headbutt?

eagle eye

Nearly(if not all) clubs have players who dive. I'd love to see it got rid of from the game and hopefully at some stage it will happen but I won't hold my breath while I wait.

greendom

Looking at that Carroll gif it really looks like he misjudges the speed of the ball as he jumps to avoid Krul. I don't think he should have been booked.

Luap

eh i dunno wrote: »

And?? What else do you want him to get punished for? Falling after getting a headbutt?

Never.

Paully D

Mr Alan wrote: »

Carrolls was a horrid dive. He got punished for it rightly.

Perch's was equally ludicrous & escaped punishment.

Well if your own player hadn't decided to headbutt him he wouldn't have gone down, would he?

eh i dunno

Maloney_o9 wrote: »

Never.

Theres contact. If some wannabe hardman hits me with his head you'd wanna be mad not to make the most of it and get him sent off

Mr Alan

eh i dunno wrote: »

If some wannabe hardman hits me with his head you'd wanna be mad not to make the most of it and get him sent off

This is why diving, simulation etc can't be wiped out.

Depending on the player involved people's reactions are massively different.

You're basically saying its ok when there's any contact, irregardless of how minimal it is, to throw yourself on the ground & roll around like a bitch?

Does anyone wanna tell me if it had of been Ballotelli, Suarez or someone of that ilk, the big story wouldn't have been the cringeworthy theatrics?

People either need to accept cheating/simulation/diving as being part of the game, or they need to be equally critical across the board when it happens.

cson

As an Arsenal fan I always have a chuckle at **** all being made of the likes of Carroll and Bale (to name just two recent exhibitions) diving after Eduardo was publicly strung up on a cross by UEFA for diving against Celtic.

The authorities will take action when it suits them, like they do with almost everything else in football.

amacachi

Anyone who needs medical attention has to be subbed. If they're out of subs then they play with 10 men. Anyone other than the captain speaks to the captain, yellow card. That would stamp quite a lot of it out.

IvySlayer

Would Reina have been sent off (rightly) if Perch hadn't of fallen down like that?

Paully D

amacachi wrote: »

Anyone who needs medical attention has to be subbed. If they're out of subs then they play with 10 men. Anyone other than the captain speaks to the captain, yellow card. That would stamp quite a lot of it out.

That would never work.

What happens if someone clashes heads then needs medical attention?

amacachi

Paully D wrote: »

That would never work.

What happens if someone clashes heads then needs medical attention?

Medical attention = subbed off.

Paully D

amacachi wrote: »

Medical attention = subbed off.

That idea is absolutely insane then.

amacachi

Paully D wrote: »

That idea is absolutely insane then.

Make an exception for blood perhaps. If someone is rolling around "in agony" for 30 seconds, play stops and they're back on as soon as play continues then they're either diving or have something seriously wrong with them. Sick and tired of seeing it.

RoryMac

cson wrote: »

As an Arsenal fan I always have a chuckle at **** all being made of the likes of Carroll and Bale (to name just two recent exhibitions) diving after Eduardo was publicly strung up on a cross by UEFA for diving against Celtic.

The authorities will take action when it suits them, like they do with almost everything else in football.

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

cgpg5

I've said it before in the Arsenal Spurs thread, when Bale dived to win a penalty, that similar to rugby a citing commissioner should be in place to assess incidences of play-acting in the days after the game and, subsequently, one match bans can be imposed if they find a player guilty. Would help stamp it out imo.

That's of course if the culprit hasn't been punished already by the ref during the game. Now with regard to Perch he should get away with it as he was struck by means of a sending off offence- that would be a headbutt, two-footed challenge or punch/slap etc. If the player was deemed to have dived to avoid contact or due to contact from such then they should avoid punishment. However if they do like Bale has done all season and go down under limited or no contact then it should lead to a suspension.

greendom

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

Over-turned because it was impossible to say with certainty that he dived. There was contact. Maybe he did dive, we'll never know for sure unless Eduardo confesses. That's why it's almost impossible to legislate against.

Paully D

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

NIMAN

IF FIFA and UEFA had the political will, and balls, they could sort of the diving and acting, and the lack of respect in the game tomorrow.

But they haven't got the will.

greendom

Paully D wrote: »

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

I think the ref was going to give a pen last week when Sanchez went over in the Barca Milan game; the lino behind the goal told him not to. Not certain about this btw - but that was the impression I got.

Guy:Incognito

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched.

Is that not why his mammy thought he to speak as a child?

RoryMac

Paully D wrote: »

Is it just me, or can anybody think of a decision that one of these officials behind the goal has actually made? For years now I've yet to see one of them make a decision, despite numerous chances. They just stand there fro 90 minutes doing nothing.

I think the idea of officials behind the goals is a good one but agreed for some reason they don't seem to have any power to make decisions. Used correctly they could have a big impact not just on dives in the box but also on the amount of holding etc that happens during corners and set pieces around the box.

Guy:Incognito

greendom wrote: »

Until there is the technology to be able to know with 100% certainty that a player intended to dive

If theres no contact and he goes down, Dive. If he moves his legs towards the opposition player to make sure theres contact, Dive. Cameras show all this quite clearly already.

Or the classic, already going down in "anticipation" of contact and ending up dropping their knees down into the tackler. That happens in nearly every game. The first contact is somehow made 6 inches off the ground by hitting knees. I dont know many players that can get their knees that low unless they are already falling.

eh i dunno wrote: »

Perch got a yellow card and there was contact from Reina's headbutt

Perch got a yellow card for tripping Reina in the first place. How could he get a yellow card for going down when the ref thought Reina headbutted him and sent him off?

batistuta9

RoryMac wrote: »

Eduardo was rightly "publicly strung up" for a blatant dive which succeeded in conning the referee. If memory serves me right it was after the eduardo dive that Uefa brought in the officials behind the goals to try to catch cheats out.

Also Eduardo may have been publicly strung up but he wasn't punished, 2 game ban overturned on appeal. Uefa had a great opportunity to set down a marker against cheats with Eduardo due to it been so early in the season but failed.

that's not why the extra officials were brought in :pac:

and eduardo's ban was over turned because he didn't dive

Guy:Incognito

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z9Puha0eY

Bellamy gets a bit of a rub from Dempsey there. It's still much more than Reina did to Perch.

There just isnt a need for the rollign around ont he ground. The fact he was back up again a few seconds later and not so much a a graze on his face should be enough to show how ridiculous it is. God help him if he's ever in a fight.

Mr Alan

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z9Puha0eY

And therein lies the issue, the brain trust in here thinks Bellamy should have dropped to the floor & rolled around like a lunatic, yet in the next breath they preach how we need to eradicate diving & theatrics. Madness.

Personally I've reluctantly started to accept that with the authorities clearly not interested in tackling the issue, it's here to stay & people just need to accept it.

Be pissed off about the refs missing it etc all you want, but less of the moral high horses.

amacachi

Mr Alan wrote: »

And therein lies the issue, the brain trust in here thinks Bellamy should have dropped to the floor & rolled around like a lunatic, yet in the next breath they preach how we need to eradicate diving & theatrics. Madness.

Got any quotes where anyone says people should react like that? All I said is that I understand why players feel the need to go down to get frees because referees don't seem to give anything unless someone hits the deck or stops to remonstrate.

Mr Alan

amacachi wrote: »

Got any quotes where anyone says people should react like that?

As requested.

eh i dunno wrote: »

Theres contact. If some wannabe hardman hits me with his head you'd wanna be mad not to make the most of it and get him sent off

Guy:Incognito

Mr Alan wrote: »

As requested.

This is in the same vein too

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What Perch done was horrible, but he had to make it known to the ref that he was touched. .

Mr Alan

There was a few in a similar vein.

amacachi

Do those same posters say that such behaviour should be punished? It's not hypocrisy when it's different people saying different things? Most people aren't condoning it.