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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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  • #362
    happyman81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭happyman81


    Helix wrote: »
    6th would be the upper end of midtable

    midtable clubs are traditionally ones that never challenge for the league and never flirt with relegation

    Liverpool, then.


  • #363
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Samich wrote: »
    Arsenal and spurs are mid table? I think not.

    arsenal would regularly challenge for the title, they tend to falter, but they're usually up that end. spurs are transitioning away from being a midtable team just like liverpool have transitioned away from being a top team


  • #364
    Helix
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    happyman81 wrote: »
    Liverpool, then.

    ah to be fair to them they put in a challenge a while back

    but these days, yeah, they're a midtable team


  • #365
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Has the average age of posters on this forum just gone down ?

    Some of the above posts are comical.

    because liverpool are no longer one of the big clubs that makes me immature? o.k.

    nobody outside of liverpools support holds them to the level their own fans believe they are. Of course that could be said of support for anyone in terms of affection but the self-delusion at liverpool is famous.


  • #366
    Helix
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    this "big club" thing is nonsense anyway

    it doesnt matter a jot on the pitch if youre a "big club" all that matters is that you're a "top club", the latter of which is based on your recent trophy haul, your current playing squad and whether or not other "top clubs" see you as a genuine threat

    liverpool are not right now


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  • #367
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Helix wrote: »
    this "big club" thing is nonsense anyway

    it doesnt matter a jot on the pitch if youre a "big club" all that matters is that you're a "top club", the latter of which is based on your recent trophy haul, your current playing squad and whether or not other "top clubs" see you as a genuine threat

    liverpool are not right now


    yep, it's all pretty irrelevant. Back to the point, what do liverpool supporters think about rival supporters hoping that King Kenny stays in charge?

    Do you really want this man in charge and do you really want rafa back? if that is your expectations how can you expect better?


  • #368
    Leiva
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    Leftist wrote: »
    because liverpool are no longer one of the big clubs that makes me immature? o.k.

    nobody outside of liverpools support holds them to the level their own fans believe they are. Of course that could be said of support for anyone in terms of affection but the self-delusion at liverpool is famous.


    Ok we seem to have a different meaning of what a "big club" means .

    I will go first ..
    For me a measurement for a big club would primarily be its fan base. How many fans support a particular club , not just domestically but Worldwide .
    Liverpool have a massive Worldwide following.

    Your turn ....


  • #369
    markie29
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    Helix wrote: »
    this "big club" thing is nonsense anyway

    it doesnt matter a jot on the pitch if youre a "big club" all that matters is that you're a "top club", the latter of which is based on your recent trophy haul, your current playing squad and whether or not other "top clubs" see you as a genuine threat

    liverpool are not right now

    so you are saying Arsenal are a big club because they challenge for the title yet they have won no trophy in years....and then you say liverpool are not a big club anymore where we have won trophies since arsenal last won one......im very confused.


  • #370
    markie29
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    happyman81 wrote: »
    Some quotes from Liverpool fans I have encountered over the years:

    "Cisse is every bit as good as Henry (at his peak), only faster"

    "Danny Murphy on his day is as good as Luis Figo"

    "We deserved to win" (following a 3-0 loss to Chelsea)

    and the classic...

    "We will win the league next season"


    Gotta love em.


    every club has deluded fans sure at the start of the season a few city fans said they were going to win every competition this season.


  • #371
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,377 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Breaking News : Kenny Dalglish sacked by Liverpool Football Club

    ''You fúcking wish!''

    Hells no. Liverpool are brilliant fun under his control.


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  • #372
    happyman81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭happyman81


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Ok we seem to have a different meaning of what a "big club" means .

    I will go first ..
    For me a big club would primarily be its fan base. How many fans support a particular club , not just domestically but Worldwide .
    Liverpool have a massive Worldwide following.

    Your turn ....

    Man United. A massive worldwide following AND league titles won (within the last two decades).


  • #373
    Hannibal
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    Leftist wrote: »
    because liverpool are no longer one of the big clubs that makes me immature? o.k.

    nobody outside of liverpools support holds them to the level their own fans believe they are. Of course that could be said of support for anyone in terms of affection but the self-delusion at liverpool is famous.
    Put it into context:
    Liverpool won the UEFA Cup in 2001
    European Super Cup in 2001
    Champions League in 2005
    European Super Cup in 2005
    World Club Cup Runners Up in 2005
    Champions League Runners Up in 2007
    Champions League Semi finals in 2008
    Champions League Quarter finals in 2009
    UEFA Cup semi finals in 2010

    Man United apart can any other English team boast that record in Europe over the last 10/11 years? We have had 3 bad domestic seasons simple as that. What have Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City done the last few years? F-all is the answer.

    Liverpool are still one of the big clubs the world over with Man United, Juventus, AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc nothing has changed because of three bad seasons


  • #374
    Helix
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    markie29 wrote: »
    so you are saying Arsenal are a big club because they challenge for the title yet they have won no trophy in years....and then you say liverpool are not a big club anymore where we have won trophies since arsenal last won one......im very confused.

    that's exactly what im saying

    clubs see arsenal as a genuine threat, they don't see liverpool as one. top players with no allegiance to either club would rather join arsenal than liverpool in most cases. arsenal frequently challenge for the title, or are at the business end of the league almost all the time

    liverpool are not a top club any more, a mickey mouse cup doesnt change that


  • #375
    Nalz
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    Leftist wrote: »
    because liverpool are no longer one of the big clubs that makes me immature? o.k.

    Well its more so that they're in decline as apposed to they are no longer on of the big clubs. The ship can easily be steadied in the summer and 4th could be a target again next season with a bit of luck.


  • #376
    Helix
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    Dotsey wrote: »
    Liverpool are still one of the big clubs the world over with Man United, Juventus, AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc nothing has changed because of three bad seasons

    reputation has diddly squat to do with what happens on the pitch

    liverpool have loads of fans. great. liverpool won trophies a few managerial regimes ago. deadly

    what does that do to prevent them from being a midtable club in the present? sweet f.a.


  • #377
    Helix
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    Trilla wrote: »
    4th could be a target again next season with a bit of luck.

    of course itll be a target

    wont be a realistic one though


  • #378
    Nalz
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    Helix wrote: »
    of course itll be a target

    wont be a realistic one though

    Well thats what I meant, I think it can with a bit of luck you never know. Don't get me wrong **** is hitting fans at anfield but nothing a good summer can't sort out to get them back on track.


  • #379
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Dotsey wrote: »
    Champions League Semi finals in 2008
    Champions League Quarter finals in 2009
    UEFA Cup semi finals in 2010
    Beat a champions ship side in penos

    none of that means anything apart from the carling cup. if you put aggregate performance in cups then arsenal are further ahead, but please don't take that as an invitation to compare. It's mickey mouse stuff.


  • #380
    Leftist
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    Trilla wrote: »
    Well its more so that they're in decline as apposed to they are no longer on of the big clubs. The ship can easily be steadied in the summer and 4th could be a target again next season with a bit of luck.

    i suppose my definition of big club is a bit strict. Targetting, optimistically, 4th place, next season, is not imo what a top club would strive for. Settle for maybe but not strive for.

    especially when you consider the money spent.


  • #381
    5starpool
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    Leftist wrote: »
    yep, it's all pretty irrelevant. Back to the point, what do liverpool supporters think about rival supporters hoping that King Kenny stays in charge?

    Do you really want this man in charge and do you really want rafa back? if that is your expectations how can you expect better?

    Thankfully most of us don't give a crap what people like you think.


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  • #382
    Hannibal
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    Helix wrote: »
    that's exactly what im saying

    clubs see arsenal as a genuine threat, they don't see liverpool as one. top players with no allegiance to either club would rather join arsenal than liverpool in most cases. arsenal frequently challenge for the title, or are at the business end of the league almost all the time

    liverpool are not a top club any more, a mickey mouse cup doesnt change that
    When was the last time Arsenal challenged for the title or won a trophy for that matter?
    Do Arsenal even challenge in Europe at all, apart from 1 final they've have done nothing.


  • #383
    Leiva
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    3 bad seasons doesn't make a Legacy.

    Silverware and honours does .
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    If rival fans think that a club like Liverpool or its current owners will ever settle for mid-table mediocrity then then are very very wrong .

    YNWA.


  • #384
    happyman81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭happyman81


    Dotsey wrote: »
    Put it into context:
    Liverpool won the UEFA Cup in 2001
    European Super Cup in 2001
    Champions League in 2005
    European Super Cup in 2005
    World Club Cup Runners Up in 2005
    Champions League Runners Up in 2007
    Champions League Semi finals in 2008
    Champions League Quarter finals in 2009
    UEFA Cup semi finals in 2010

    Man United apart can any other English team boast that record in Europe over the last 10/11 years? We have had 3 bad domestic seasons simple as that. What have Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City done the last few years? F-all is the answer.

    Liverpool are still one of the big clubs the world over with Man United, Juventus, AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc nothing has changed because of three bad seasons

    And the delusion continues.

    First, Man Utd, Juve, Milan, Barce, Real, Munich have all one numerous domestic leagues over the last two decades. Liverpool last won the league when the goalie could pick up a pass back. Can you imagine one of these teams not winning a league in over 20 years and still calling themselves one of the greats?

    Jesus wept.

    Second, listing supercups and final placings in the CL (oh, we finished 16th in the CL) shows just how little a mighty Liverpool has achieved since the glory days of yore.

    Finally, Arsenal are now a bigger team than Liverpool. They have won league titles in the world of the backpass rule. Liverpool have not.


  • #385
    Helix
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    mixednuts wrote: »
    3 bad seasons doesn't make a Legacy.

    Silverware and honours does .
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    If rival fans think that a club like Liverpool or its current owners will ever settle for mid-table mediocrity then then are very very wrong .

    YNWA.

    deadly

    look lads, villa are a massive club


  • #386
    Hannibal
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    Leftist wrote: »
    none of that means anything apart from the carling cup. if you put aggregate performance in cups then arsenal are further ahead, but please don't take that as an invitation to compare. It's mickey mouse stuff.
    Cups are handed out now on "aggregate performance" yeah? That's a new one to me.

    Arsenal have done nothing since what 2005 as regards silverware, is this period a success to Arsenal fans. I'd take what we have done recently over Arsenal anyday, up until 6 games ago we were side by side in the league but heads dropped after we lost to Arsenal in the league in a game we should have easily won.


  • #387
    Helix
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    Dotsey wrote: »
    No they're not.
    You can live in dreamland all you want fact is Arsenal haven't won a trophy in what 6 or 7 years, and you are happy with this.

    This shows your level of intelligence.

    what do you mean im happy with it? im not an arsenal fan, i dont care about their trophy haul :confused:


  • #388
    Xavi6
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    mixednuts wrote: »
    3 bad seasons doesn't make a Legacy.

    Silverware and honours does .
    198681.PNG


    If rival fans think that a club like Liverpool or its current owners will ever settle for mid-table mediocrity then then are very very wrong .

    YNWA.

    Does sticking 'YNWA' at the end of post count for something or is just for emphasis? Only seems to happen in retaliation to something.


  • #389
    Leiva
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    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Does sticking 'YNWA' at the end of post count for something or is just for emphasis? Only seems to happen in retaliation to something.

    No not really .


    YNWA


  • #390
    Leftist
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    5starpool wrote: »
    Thankfully most of us don't give a crap what people like you think.

    if by us you mean liverpool supporters then I am not surprised.

    As Perch has twittered:
    To all Liverpool fans giving me stick, what did Carroll do at the other end #AlwaysTheVictimsItsNeverYourFault


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  • #391
    Leftist
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    Dotsey wrote: »
    Cups are handed out now on "aggregate performance" yeah? That's a new one to me.

    Arsenal have done nothing since what 2005 as regards silverware, is this period a success to Arsenal fans. I'd take what we have done recently over Arsenal anyday, up until 6 games ago we were side by side in the league but heads dropped after we lost to Arsenal in the league in a game we should have easily won.
    come on mate, you put down uefa cup semi finals and european cup quater finals as achievments over the past 4 years. That is aggregating cup performances.


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