Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

Fr Tod Umptious

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Are you serious?

Why is anyone taking heed of their league performances? I'd step back for a second and realise the complete lunacy of that question.

A CL spot was never realistic you say? Well everybody from the owners, the manager and the players made clear the clubs main ambition this year was for CL football.

Of course the CL spot was an ambition at the start of the reason,

But by the time they had the Carling Cup won they were no longer realistic challengers for a CL place.

So with Europe secured league placing meant feck all any more, and thus they are just winding it down.

Expect a good performance in the FA Cup games but I would not read anything into their league form since the end of Feb.

Nalz

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Expect a good performance in the FA Cup games but I would not read anything into their league form since the end of Feb.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Try telling that to the supporters who went to those games and watched their team produce absolute shíte performances. I don't its that simple that they lost interest and threw in the towel.... should never be allowed do that at Liverpool.

Fr Tod Umptious

Trilla wrote: »

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Try telling that to the supporters who went to those games and watched their team produce absolute shíte performances.

Well yea if I were a fan I'd be unhappy, but I'm not, I'm a neutral observer from a distance and that's the way I see it playing out since they won the Carling Cup.

Helix

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

A CL spot was never realistic you say? Well everybody from the owners, the manager and the players made clear the clubs main ambition this year was for CL football.

since does ambition to achieve something make it realistic?

sure it was likely villa's ambition to reach the champions league this season too

and it's my ambition to write an oscar winning movie

Iang87

Trilla wrote: »

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Try telling that to the supporters who went to those games and watched their team produce absolute shíte performances. I don't its that simple that they lost interest and threw in the towel.... should never be allowed do that at Liverpool.

I completely understand your point but I think comparing the league performances to cup performances you can only come to that sort of conclusion

happyman81

Iang87 wrote: »

The form recently honestly I dont care about. We are not making 4th and havent been for a long time now. Liverpool have potentially 2 matches left this year that matter and thats all those players have been thinking about for weeks.

They are all playing as if they are watching themselves to make sure they stay fit, lets not forget the euros coming up for a lot of them. Is it a bad attitude ya its crap I hate it however it can be tolerated at the minute provided when the time comes they leave it all on the field. Thats the everton game coming that is all that matters now. I hope that is whats going on but thats just idle thoughts really.

If liverpool win the Fa cup to go with the league cup Kenny is still gonna get ****, if Liverpool finished 4th and got nowhere in the cups some people would whinge that we should be trying to win all competitions. Basically he cannot win in my opinion.

Should he stay or go, I dont know to be honest i'm more confused now than I was at the start of the season. In saying all that I must say if we had a center forward, a goalscorer in the team I think it would be so much different. We dont though so we are where we are.

As for your man above spouting that Liverpool are not a big club. Fans make a club big and liverpool fans (vast majority) aren't going to stop supporting because it isn't going well right now. We all supposed to jump ship to city because they're on the up, come off it

That's what £100m buys you? Errah, we have the league cup and the players couldn't be arsed?

Jesus wept.

sReq | uTeK

Some of the stuff in here flancrest would be proud of.

whatnext

Loving the irony that a number of supporters (NB. I didn't say all) of a club that bang on about "net spend" are not overly concerned about league position, at nearly £1m per place.

wonderfullife

If you need a starker illustration of how times have changed, Dalglish signed both Aldridge and Houghton from Oxford United (combined fee £1.5 million) and Barnes from Watford for £900k.

This was a different era altogether. As mentioned above Howard Kendall, to my mind, is not a "great manager" yet his mid 1980s record with Everton is on a par with Dalglish's liverpool record (2 titles, european cup winners cup, FA Cup , 2 charity shields).

People tend to forget Kenny was player manager until his last game in 1990, albeit using himself for just important games. It'd be impossible to do that nowadays at the highest level.

Proving your ability to manage in the 1980s is far different to today. His track record is not that of a "great manager". Back then the media spotlight, the finances, the way football was run is far different. Back then the same starting 11 would play nearly every week. Back then there wasn't a business like culture with foreign chairmen, exorbitant wages and instant success wasn't demanded.

Kenny, without doubt, is one of the most skilled footballers to grace a liverpool and scotland shirt. To consider him a "great manager" is a nonsense and, to my mind, he hasn't proved his capacity to manage in the modern era thus far. He MAY do that given more time but i havent seen anything thus far tactically, transfer wise or media wise to indicate he can do well in the demands of the modern game.

Samich

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of epically stupid statements in this thread is just unreal. Here is just one example of many.

Dalglish managed Liverpool to multiple titles. How on earth you don't know that or can just decide it doesn't prove anything is beyond me.

Haha he's too old. Just because he could do it 10 years ago doesn't mean he can do it now.

El Inho

Samich wrote: »

Haha he's too old. Just because he could do it 10 years ago doesn't mean he can do it now.

thought this was the lfc thread for a second as was going to go into ignore over load

Samich

Helix wrote: »

fortunately for them the table is calculated over 100% of games, not 39% of them

Unfortunately for them they're languishing in mid table losting to QPR and Wigan. It's a really funny situation and I for one hope KK (Krap Kenny) stays

Leiva

Breaking News : Kenny Dalglish sacked by Liverpool Football Club

Helix

Samich wrote: »

Unfortunately for them they're languishing in mid table

but thats where they probably should be given the team theyve got

its not like they're a top 4 team playing like crap, theyre a midtable team playing like a midtable team

Samich

eldwaro wrote: »

thought this was the lfc thread for a second as was going to go into ignore over load

huh?

willmunny1990

mixednuts wrote: »

Breaking News : Kenny Dalglish sacked by Liverpool Football Club

trust me when I say this, most of us wish that day doesn't come for a long, long time.

it's too enjoyable at the moment.

Samich

Helix wrote: »

but thats where they probably should be given the team theyve got

its not like they're a top 4 team playing like crap, theyre a midtable team playing like a midtable team

They're not playing like a midtable team. They're playing like a team fighting relegation (hence why the last 12 games is important)

Helix

Samich wrote: »

They're not playing like a midtable team. They're playing like a team fighting relegation (hence why the last 12 games is important)

theyre not playing like a team fighting relegation though. theyre playing like a midtable team in a crappy run of form. something most midtable teams go through at one point or another the odd season

Samich

Helix wrote: »

theyre not playing like a team fighting relegation though. theyre playing like a midtable team in a crappy run of form. something most midtable teams go through at one point or another the odd season

No I'm afraid they're playing like relegation candidates. Relegation candidates usually get beaten every week.

willmunny1990

Helix wrote: »

theyre not playing like a team fighting relegation though. theyre playing like a midtable team in a crappy run of form. something most midtable teams go through at one point or another the odd season

Funny enough probably most mid table clubs would sack their manager after a run of 6 defeats in PL 7 games and only 8 points since January.

There would at least be huge pressure on them from the media, something Dalglish gets to escape because of chums like Hansen and Redknapp that are afraid to even suggest that he should go.

Helix

Samich wrote: »

No I'm afraid they're playing like relegation candidates. Relegation candidates usually get beaten every week.

the 3 seasons villa finished 6th they won one game in march, and tended to lose most of the rest. they were hardly playing like relegation candidates, they were just playing like the midtable team they were. that's the difference between top teams and midtable teams - consistency of performance

Helix

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Funny enough probably most mid table clubs would sack their manager after a run of 6 defeats in PL 7 games and only 8 points since January.

they wouldnt

midtable teams tend not to sack their managers til the end of the season or if they're dragged into the relegation battle, mainly because there's little to be gained in getting rid of them during the season

it happens the odd time, but it's not a common occurance

firemansam4

Leftist wrote: »

historically yes but no chance anymore.

Big name but now not a big club anymore.

So 3 years Liverpool have been out of the CL places and finished in bad positions...

and now suddenly we are a small club???

Haha get over yourself.. Liverpool still have a massive fan base much more than the big money spending clubs that have come into the fray recently, that's what makes us a big club, regardless of our massive history.

Samich

Helix wrote: »

the 3 seasons villa finished 6th they won one game in march, and tended to lose most of the rest. they were hardly playing like relegation candidates, they were just playing like the midtable team they were. that's the difference between top teams and midtable teams - consistency of performance

How were they mid table if they finished 6th?

Samich

firemansam4 wrote: »

So 3 years Liverpool have been out of the CL places and finished in bad positions...

and now suddenly we are a small club???

Haha get over yourself.. Liverpool still have a massive fan base much more than the big money spending clubs that have come into the fray recently, that's what makes us a big club, regardless of our massive history.

For how long? I know quite a few of my friends can't be arsed supporting liverpool anymore as they know they're sh*t.

Leiva

Samich wrote: »

For how long? I know quite a few of my friends can't be arsed supporting liverpool anymore as they know they're sh*t.

lol.

Chucky the tree

Samich wrote: »

For how long? I know quite a few of my friends can't be arsed supporting liverpool anymore as they know they're sh*t.

Jesus, you hang around with some shower of dopes. Start supporting Man City now have they? I suppose it's nice that you all sticker together though.

firemansam4

Samich wrote: »

For how long? I know quite a few of my friends can't be arsed supporting liverpool anymore as they know they're sh*t.

Well cant say I know any Liverpool fans like that, but the ones that have done that are very shallow and cant be considered real fans of any team.

When Liverpool lose there big fan base they have at the moment then fair enough call us a small club then!!

Helix

Samich wrote: »

How were they mid table if they finished 6th?

6th would be the upper end of midtable

midtable clubs are traditionally ones that never challenge for the league and never flirt with relegation

Samich

Helix wrote: »

6th would be the upper end of midtable

midtable clubs are traditionally ones that never challenge for the league and never flirt with relegation

Arsenal and spurs are mid table? I think not.