Selling Naming Rights: O2, Aviva, Bord Gáis Energy

I Heart Internet · 22-03-2012 06:37PM

cournioni wrote: »

Who said I was nostalgic?

Ok - patriotic, nationalistic - for some reason you're insisting that the FAI and IRFU should have turned down a stack of money from potential sponsors.

As Mr. Stuffins asked - why is that??

Big Johnson · 22-03-2012 06:39PM

Aviva didn't pay anything towards the redevelopment

cournioni · 22-03-2012 06:39PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

What do you mean?

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

overshoot · 22-03-2012 06:40PM

nobody has mentioned that uefa call it the dublin arena:).. lets not forget hunky dory park in drogheda either!
like it or not the stadium has to be paid and 10 years being called aviva will go a long way. if that money wasnt used its going to come from somewhere else... loi and grassroots. loi prize fund has fallen from well over 1million to 100k less than than delaneys wage of 400k... dont really need more coming out of it, its clear where their financial priorities lie!
the stadium couldnt be named after a soccer player. its the irfu's ground and afaik the fai's contrubution to the rebuild is their rent for the next 25 years

MrStuffins · 22-03-2012 06:40PM

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

So your problem isn't with naming rights, but it's with Aviva? Is that what you're saying now?

Collie D · 22-03-2012 06:42PM

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

Indeed, it's outrageous they should waste money on sponsorship BUT that's nothing to do with the FAI/IRFU. OK, say it was a company that's doing extremely well with plans to expand rather than cut...let's say Google, Penneys, etc. Would it be an issue then?

I Heart Internet · 22-03-2012 06:43PM

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

That kind of attitude disgusts me tbh. Is Aviva to be castigated for trying to manage its business as best it can and maintain what jobs it can in Ireland??

Would you prefer that it didn't employ the remaining hundreds of people in ireland? Is every business that has made people redundant in Ireland to be run out of town? Or are they banned from advertising - is that it??

No Irish based company can spend any money on advertising because that's a waste and they could be giving folks jobs with that money instead.

Ridiculous, backward logic.

cournioni · 22-03-2012 06:44PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Ok - patriotic, nationalistic - for some reason you're insisting that the FAI and IRFU should have turned down a stack of money from potential sponsors.

As Mr. Stuffins asked - why is that??

They didn't have to whore themselves out to multinational companies, there was alternatives.

I Heart Internet · 22-03-2012 06:45PM

Collie D wrote: »

Indeed, it's outrageous they should waste money on sponsorship BUT that's nothing to do with the FAI/IRFU. OK, say it was a company that's doing extremely well with plans to expand rather than cut...let's say Google, Penneys, etc. Would it be an issue then?

No its not!

I Heart Internet · 22-03-2012 06:47PM

cournioni wrote: »

They didn't have to whore themselves out to multinational companies, there was alternatives.

So Barry's Tea?

Is international money not good enough for us now?

This is all backward, isolationist silliness.

cournioni · 22-03-2012 06:50PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

So your problem isn't with naming rights, but it's with Aviva? Is that what you're saying now?

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

MrStuffins · 22-03-2012 06:55PM

cournioni wrote: »

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

Of course they don't. They care about themselves, that's the nature of business.

Even when a business puts back into the community it's always to it's own benefit in the form of positive press and other things of that nature.

But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's ONLY Multi-Nationals who do this!

Anyway, could you answer my initial question? What is it exactly that you think was worth more than the €44m received for the naming rights? is it as simple as you don't like MNCs?

Collie D · 22-03-2012 06:55PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No its not!

It's not for me to say how a private company spends its cash but I'd be highly pissed off if I was an Aviva employee being made redundant after that.

MrStuffins · 22-03-2012 06:57PM

Collie D wrote: »

It's not for me to say how a private company spends its cash but I'd be highly pissed off if I was an Aviva employee being made redundant after that.

We're completely getting off topic here. This thread isn't to do with the business practices of Aviva. It's to do with selling naming rights.

marienbad · 22-03-2012 06:57PM

cournioni wrote: »

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

Irish business dos'nt care about Ireland and its people either beyond how they can make money out of them- no different than multinationals. Business is in business to make money , end of story.

cournioni · 22-03-2012 08:08PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Of course they don't. They care about themselves, that's the nature of business.

Even when a business puts back into the community it's always to it's own benefit in the form of positive press and other things of that nature.

But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's ONLY Multi-Nationals who do this!

Anyway, could you answer my initial question? What is it exactly that you think was worth more than the €44m received for the naming rights? is it as simple as you don't like MNCs?

Well if they don't care about the people then what are the IRFU and FAI doing taking them on?! €44 million would have earned almost a €40000 salary for those employees that have lost their jobs. Money from those lost wages could have easily gone back into the economy and even into buying tickets for games at Lansdowne Road.

The IRFU and FAI were looking for a quick buck to pay back the debt on their stadium and saved them from cutting their cronies wages. If they fired John Delaney and replace him with a volunteer like the GAA does, they would earn the €44million over 100 years, you could possibly half that if you do the same with the IRFU chief. That's two guys on the dole compared to 1000 and at that I think they would be fine... The GAA have survived.

steddyeddy · 22-03-2012 08:13PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Where do you stand on this ?.
It'll always be Landsdowne to me, same The Point & The Grand Canal.
At least Thomand Park didn't piss all over it's heritage for the fast buck.

Why not take this idiocy to the nth degree & sell the name of the country, any suggestions ?

It will never be boird gais theatre to me. I found that quite sickening.

Kev.OC · 22-03-2012 10:34PM

cournioni wrote: »

Well if they don't care about the people then what are the IRFU and FAI doing taking them on?! €44 million would have earned almost a €40000 salary for those employees that have lost their jobs. Money from those lost wages could have easily gone back into the economy and even into buying tickets for games at Lansdowne Road.

The IRFU and FAI were looking for a quick buck to pay back the debt on their stadium and saved them from cutting their cronies wages. If they fired John Delaney and replace him with a volunteer like the GAA does, they would earn the €44million over 100 years, you could possibly half that if you do the same with the IRFU chief. That's two guys on the dole compared to 1000 and at that I think they would be fine... The GAA have survived.

Ah now, come off it. I'm sorry now but there's not a hope that you can convince me that a company would seriously look into a 100 year business plan. That just doesn't happen.

Let's take it down a few notches here for a minute. You want to buy a Lamborghini for €250,000, but you only have €100,000. So you have two options;

A; Take out a loan. You'll have the Lambo but you'll spend the next 20 years paying it off. (€150,000 loan)

B; You're approached by Brembo (brake manufacturers) who say they'll match your €100,000 if you put a few decals on the car. (€50,000 loan)

It would be remarkably silly to unnecessarily burden yourself with massive debt repayments. Especially if in order to do so you refused to accept financial help from a third party for something that in all reality makes no difference to the quality product you receive or impedes with the use of said product.

For the record, Bord Gais Energy Theatre or whatever they're calling it now, does sound silly, but changing the name due to corporate sponsorship is a perfectly legitimate business practice and I'm not going to hold any grudges or lose any sleep because of that.

gurramok · 22-03-2012 11:15PM

humanji wrote: »

That's the best part. I can never remember if it's Landsdown or Landsdowne or some other variation. Aviva rolls off the tongue like a Mexican hooker.

Cue Italian tourist:How do I get to Aviva Stadium humanji?

humanji: Ciao, get the Dart to Lansdowne Road as that is where the stadium is. Ciao.

Cue random rock fan going to a concert: Sir, how to I get to the O2?

humanji: Madam, get the Luas to The Point and you're there!

cournioni · 23-03-2012 09:21AM

Kev.OC wrote: »

Ah now, come off it. I'm sorry now but there's not a hope that you can convince me that a company would seriously look into a 100 year business plan. That just doesn't happen.

Let's take it down a few notches here for a minute. You want to buy a Lamborghini for €250,000, but you only have €100,000. So you have two options;

A; Take out a loan. You'll have the Lambo but you'll spend the next 20 years paying it off. (€150,000 loan)

B; You're approached by Brembo (brake manufacturers) who say they'll match your €100,000 if you put a few decals on the car. (€50,000 loan)

It would be remarkably silly to unnecessarily burden yourself with massive debt repayments. Especially if in order to do so you refused to accept financial help from a third party for something that in all reality makes no difference to the quality product you receive or impedes with the use of said product.

For the record, Bord Gais Energy Theatre or whatever they're calling it now, does sound silly, but changing the name due to corporate sponsorship is a perfectly legitimate business practice and I'm not going to hold any grudges or lose any sleep because of that.

I would buy a Lamborghini, but I cannot afford to buy it, and I have no interest in taking out a ridiculous loan that would require me to stick a big dirty advertisement on the side of the car for ten years in order to pay it back. If there is a cheaper option that I can afford without ruining the look and style of the car, like sell the one I have and buy from a cheaper dealer down the country, I take that option.

If my heart is so set on getting this Lamborghini, but I still do not want to ruin its look and style, then I have to make some sacrifices in order to afford it, like giving up the hookers and cocaine for a girlfriend that costs me nothing.

Jesus Wept · 23-03-2012 09:43AM

Say the new name, that's what it's called.
Don't be a ****ing hipster and say the old name while bleating on about how it's corporate, you're likely a consumer of all sorts of ****e.

Riamfada wrote: »

If anyone from O2 see this

I WILL CHANGE MY NAME TO O2 FOR 1MILLION EURO.

I'll do it for ten grand.

Sky King · 23-03-2012 12:11PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Don't be a ****ing hipster and say the old name while bleating on about how it's corporate, you're likely a consumer of all sorts of ****e..

I'm not a hipster. I eat Opal Fruits and Marathon bars and I go to concerts at the Point Depot.

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Selling Naming Rights: O2, Aviva, Bord Gáis Energy

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