Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

dvpower · 19-03-2012 9:41pm

greenpilot wrote: »

If you dont care about DVpower, do what hundreds have done already...put him on the ignore list...which is where he is going now...

Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 9:43pm

dvpower wrote: »

Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...

Better go and ask "Enda" to open up a FG bar tab in the dail bar,so that you and the rest of them and go and drown your sorrrows on April 1st and ask each other
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"where did it all go wrong then".

Or maybe James O'Rielly might throw the HSE credit card accross the dail bar and say "put it on that"

Slick50 · 19-03-2012 9:51pm

dvpower wrote: »

You haven't been paying attention... (people were complaining about me doing the selective quoting, not the other way around)

Yes I have. You were whinging about being selectively quoted, when I quoted two of your posts that also completely contradicted each other(but you seem to think they were completely consistant), asking which it was. In one you said you weren't arguing for a property tax, but in the other you said you thought they were a good idea. I suppose you'll be looking for a link.

dvpower wrote: »

...even to the national news.

WTF.???? Can't you answer the question?.

argosy2006 · 19-03-2012 9:54pm

dvpower wrote: »

There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.

http://hall.hdfillms.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/3d-movie-glasses.jpg

dvpower · 19-03-2012 9:58pm

Slick50 wrote: »

WTF.???? Can't you answer the question?.

What question do you want answered?

mconigol · 19-03-2012 9:58pm

dvpower wrote: »

Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...

Finally...he posts what's actually going on in his head

kepler_johan · 19-03-2012 10:06pm

dvpower wrote: »

There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.

Key word there is "potential"...

I'd refer you to this website...
http://nohouseholdtax.org/your-questions-answered/

in particular Question 5.

5. What are the possible consequences if I don’t register?

The legislation allows for a fine of up to €2,500 for failing to register by 31st March. But this is not an automatic fine. Under the legislation people who don’t register have to be brought to court and have a case proved against them that they did not register. This is where the importance of building a mass campaign comes in. The government wants 1.8 million households to register by the end of March. But imagine the situation if a million plus households do not register. It would be absolutely impossible for them to take a million people to court.
And just as we did during the campaign against water charges in Dublin in the 1990s, the campaign will organise legal representation for anyone who is taken to court. By challenging each case, we can ensure that the system becomes completely clogged up. As also happened during the campaign against water charges, if someone in an area is taken to court we can organise to ensure that hundreds of fellow non-payers turn up to support them.

I think I'm good...

Bullseye1 · 19-03-2012 10:16pm

Interesting and insightful post in the politics discussion on same topic. It speaks for itself. We pay more so that they can maintain current salaries and pensions.

Good loser wrote: »

As a public sector pensioner I also agree.

What amazes me about this household charge is how many public servants and social welfare recipients oppose it for all sorts of spurious and contradictory reasons.

Surely all public servants/social werfares should favour all tax raising measures as the only alternative is - ultimately - cutting their salaries, pensions and benefits.

Remember FF, FG and Labour favoured this property tax in the last election. It's democratic.

Ghandee · 19-03-2012 10:17pm

dvpower wrote: »

What question do you want answered?

Would you agree that the current govt is, but a fanny hair off declaring war on its own citizens with its latest bully boy tactics?

If its against the law, we'll change the fcuking law Edna!

when those who make the law, break the law, their is no law!

dvpower · 19-03-2012 10:18pm

kepler_johan wrote: »

Key word there is "potential"...

I'd refer you to this website...
http://nohouseholdtax.org/your-questions-answered/

in particular Question 5.

I think I'm good...

Yeah. Its only a potential cost, as I said.

Big claim from the No campaign in the second paragraph - that they will organise legal representation for anyone brought to court. I wonder how they plan on financing this. Maybe they mean that they will phone a lawyer for you.

greenpilot · 19-03-2012 10:20pm

Where To wrote: »

I will pay and so will 90% of the people who say the won't.

Armchair rebels surrender easily.

Remember this classic?......oh, theres more, theres more!!

kepler_johan · 19-03-2012 10:34pm

dvpower wrote: »

Yeah. Its only a potential cost, as I said.

Big claim from the No campaign in the second paragraph - that they will organise legal representation for anyone brought to court. I wonder how they plan on financing this. Maybe they mean that they will phone a lawyer for you.

Based on the numbers coming from the Alexa website, I'll have a better chance winning the lotto than ending up in court. I've researched the topic and have come to this decision based on the information and the numbers of people who have registered/not registered. I'll take my chances, thanks very much.

If you are happy to pay the €100 this year, then who knows how much more next year on the household tax that's your decision. I won't try to convince you otherwise, it's your business, but I'm not going to pay and I'm not changing my mind based on the comments you've given.

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 10:34pm

dvpower wrote: »

Yeah. Its only a potential cost, as I said.

Big claim from the No campaign in the second paragraph - that they will organise legal representation for anyone brought to court. I wonder how they plan on financing this. Maybe they mean that they will phone a lawyer for you.

How do the solicitors of "New Beginning" work then,when they are represnting people in court,who are having their house taken back by a bank??

They work for free (no cost to their client).

Theres also FLAC too.

You really are a clueless idiot.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And the more you post here,the more and more you show it too.

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 10:35pm

Biggins wrote: »

RTE news just reported that only one sixth of those liable for the charge, so far have now paid it.

If they weren't in Gilmore's pocket they'd have said five out of six of those liable have not paid it.

Let's stop paying the TV tax (aka licence) while we're at it.....

Izzy Skint · 19-03-2012 10:39pm

dvpower wrote: »

Yeah. Its only a potential cost, as I said.

Big claim from the No campaign in the second paragraph - that they will organise legal representation for anyone brought to court. I wonder how they plan on financing this. Maybe they mean that they will phone a lawyer for you.

If our [EMAIL="cr@p"]useless[/EMAIL] politicians start bringing people to court over non payment of this immoral tax, then they will probably need to call the army onto the streets....make no mistake, since the bank guarantee was announced an anger has been building inside the people, it has been bubbling away for the past 3 years and I think this will finally blow the lid, the government have got this one seriously wrong!!!!.....the sooner they realise this the better for themselves and us!

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 10:43pm

To DV Power and his pathetic carry on at desperately trying to scare people.........

How do the solicitors of "New Beginning" work then,when they are represnting people in court,who are having their house taken back by a bank??

They work for free (no cost to their client).

Theres also FLAC too.

You really are a clueless idiot.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And the more you post here,the more and more you show it too.

mod: banned.

leedslad · 19-03-2012 10:47pm

paddy147 wrote: »

How do the solicitors of "New Beginning" work then,when they are represnting people in court,who are having their house taken back by a bank??

They work for free (no cost to their client).

Theres also FLAC too.

You really are an idiot.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And the more you post here,the more and more you show it too.

Have standards slipped that much on boards now that this kind of "post" is not moderated?
Whether you agree with the poster or not is one thing, when you have to resort to this type of personal abuse,then i feel you're losing any credibility
and with it the argument

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 10:51pm

leedslad wrote: »

Have standards slipped that much on boards now that this kind of "post" is not moderated?
Whether you agree with the poster or not is one thing, when you have to resort to this type of personal abuse,then i feel you're losing any credibility
and with it the argument

Well its true.

He hasnt a clue of the facts (post 5761 and many others).

He makes lots of threatening household charge claims that he cant back up or prove.

If you are going to make a claim then at least have the proof or have the homework done.

Clearly DV Power has neither done,with his replies and posts..:rolleyes:

dvpower · 19-03-2012 10:52pm

Izzy Skint wrote: »

If our useless politicians start bringing people to court over non payment of this immoral tax, then they will probably need to call the army onto the streets....make no mistake, since the bank guarantee was announced an anger has been building inside the people, it has been bubbling away for the past 3 years and I think this will finally blow the lid, the government have got this one seriously wrong!!!!.....the sooner they realise this the better for themselves and us!

I think you're over egging the pudding here.

There certainly is some anger out there, but also a realisation and a certain resignation that there are going to be more taxes and cuts to services over the next few years at least.

There are some protests planned over the next few weeks where we'll be able to gauge this better, particulary the Ard Fheis protest. I'll wait and see.

leedslad · 19-03-2012 10:54pm

paddy147 wrote: »

How do the solicitors of "New Beginning" work then,when they are represnting people in court,who are having their house taken back by a bank??

They work for free (no cost to their client).

I'ts something i've wondered about, but haven't got around to finding out.
Could you please tell me how they get paid?

L0ui5e · 19-03-2012 10:54pm

Ghandee wrote: »

I dont get this response?

Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

This charge is for us to pay back the BILLIONS squandered by them, robbed by them, and mismanaged by them FFS!

It doesnt matter two fiddlers farts the amount, its just the fact that we have to pay it in the first place!

Oh yeah, its 100 this year (TO BEGIN WITH) what will it be next year if we let them away with slipping it under the door this year?

Civil disobedience is the way forward, lets all stand together, tell FG and the greedy bankers to go fcuk themselves!

Typical response from the 'ah sure it'll be grand brigade'!

Fcuk em, Fcuk the lot of them!

Absobleedinlutley..

Last year when I was at my friend's in England she explained to me about their tax to the local corporation.. then she explained that this covers the water and bins. I would be totally OK with paying the €100 if we were getting services for our €100 and yes it is €100 too much regardless of whether you can afford it or not. It's basically paying rent to live in your OWN HOME>
PRINCILPES PEOPLE!

tayto lover · 19-03-2012 10:54pm

Can anyone begin to envisage the anger that would be shown on the streets if a person was taken to court for non payment of the Household Charge while not one Banker has appeared yet for wrecking the entire economy ?
They wouldn't have the balls to do that.
Don't register, don't pay.

Bruthal · 19-03-2012 10:57pm

greenpilot wrote: »

Where To wrote: »

I will pay and so will 90% of the people who say the won't.

Armchair rebels surrender easily.

Remember this classic?......oh, theres more, theres more!!

What that poster was failing to realise was, an armchair rebellion is exactly, and all thats needed in this protest.

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 10:57pm

leedslad wrote: »

I'ts something i've wondered about, but haven't got around to finding out.
Could you please tell me how they get paid?

You know what a phone or google is?

Google it,or pick up a phone and ring them and ask them nicely,and they will tell you.

http://www.newbeginning.ie/who-should-contact-us/

"We encourage any homeowners coming before the Courts who face having their homes repossessed, yet have no legal representation, to contact us.

Our advocacy grouping are working around the clock on a voluntary basis, they will not be paid for their time or support in representing these individuals.

Have you been served with a writ claiming repossession of your home?

New Beginning is calling for members of the public who are facing repossession proceedings and have no current representation, to contact us".

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 10:58pm

Izzy Skint wrote: »

make no mistake, since the bank guarantee was announced an anger has been building inside the people, it has been bubbling away for the past 3 years and I think this will finally blow the lid, the government have got this one seriously wrong!!!!.....the sooner they realise this the better for themselves and us!

Yep - as they have no democratic mandate for paying the German bank's gambling debts this could blow! Especially when you read the naked threats being posted here by supporters of the Regime.

When do we get to start stringing blueshirts, Stickies and their apologists from the lampposts?

Pity we have to wait for the default!

dvpower · 19-03-2012 11:01pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

When do we get to start stringing blueshirts, Stickies and their apologists from the lampposts?

:eek:
'fraid all you get to do is vote them out at the next election.

mikom · 19-03-2012 11:02pm

Fine Gael 2011 Manifesto.
The famous 5 point plan.
And lookie here.......

Funding Local Government: Fianna Fail’s proposal, now endorsed by the Labour Party, to introduce by 2014 an annual, recurring residential property tax on the family home is unfair. But as we tackle the fiscal crisis, we will have to cut central exchequer funding for local authorities, and we recognise that local authorities will have to find more sustainable sources of revenue appropriate to local circumstances. What will be viewed as fair in South Dublin might be viewed as unworkable in rural Clare.

In this context, we will empower local authorities to put in place, following the 2014 local elections, fairer alternatives to Fianna Fail’s and Labour’s recurring annual tax on the family home. The options would include:
• No extra local taxes, forcing local authorities to close non-priority services and / or to deliver increased efficiencies;
• Increased local user charges for waste etc.; or
• The option of a local “site sale profits tax”. Such a tax would be levied on the profit made from the site value on the sale of a residence (sales proceeds, less cost indexed by inflation, less stamp duty paid and less home improvements)

The final measure might be considered as both fairer and more economically sensible than an annual recurring property tax. Whichever option local electorates choose, for the first time since the 1970s local government will have real independence from central government in deciding what services to provide at local level and how to fund them.

http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine%20Gael%20Manifesto%20low-res.pdf

paddy147 · 19-03-2012 11:02pm

With regards any remote and desperate ploys by FG of courts any legal matters,theres also FLAC

Free Legal Advice Centre.

(waits for all the Enda Fans here to deny this too).

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:04pm

dvpower wrote: »

:eek:
'fraid all you get to do is vote them out at the next election.

No point. As we've seen last year you vote against a policy and get it anyway.

I'm thinking lampposts!

Bruthal · 19-03-2012 11:07pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

No point. As we've seen last year you vote against a policy and get it anyway.

I'm thinking lampposts!

I can rig up an electric chair instead if you like, as long as my name is not on the esb bill for running it. They might think i own it then....

dxhound2005 · 19-03-2012 11:08pm

paddy147 wrote: »

You know what a phone or google is?

Google it,or pick up a phone and ring them and ask them nicely,and they will tell you.

http://www.newbeginning.ie/who-should-contact-us/

"We encourage any homeowners coming before the Courts who face having their homes repossessed, yet have no legal representation, to contact us.

Our advocacy grouping are working around the clock on a voluntary basis, they will not be paid for their time or support in representing these individuals.

Have you been served with a writ claiming repossession of your home?

New Beginning is calling for members of the public who are facing repossession proceedings and have no current representation, to contact us".

It doesn't say anything there about representing people who break the new law.

dr.bollocko · 19-03-2012 11:09pm

Paddy147 banned.

leedslad wrote: »

Have standards slipped that much on boards now that this kind of "post" is not moderated?
Whether you agree with the poster or not is one thing, when you have to resort to this type of personal abuse,then i feel you're losing any credibility
and with it the argument

Complains about standards.

Doesn't report the post.

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:10pm

paddy147 wrote: »

With regards any remote and desperate ploys by FG of courts any legal matters,theres also FLAC

Free Legal Advice Centre.

(waits for all the Enda Fans here to deny this too).

The irony here is that those who can easily afford to pay are also those who can afford to refuse to pay.

The tactic of the Regime is to threaten and scare the vulnerable; but it won't work - you can't attack a million households when you have absolutely no democratic mandate.

I'm thinking Ghadaffi's fate might suit Enda - the video would be a hit on youtube and bring pleasure to millions

Izzy Skint · 19-03-2012 11:11pm

while we are at it we should all refuse to pay tv licence....not a joke, i am serious, what will they do, take over 1 million householders to court?...
a number of years back rte went crying cap in hand to government claiming there had not been a rise in tv licenece for so many years...and the government slapped €40 approx. onto the cost (if my memory is correct)

the tv licence should be no more than €10 per year!!!....168 euro a year to rte....for what ?....time to cut the apron strings i think, let them sink or swim...
.....a TEN year driving licence costs €25, a ten year passport costs €80 / €110, BUT!!! a ten year tv licence costs €1,680 !!....but I can see why...it's obvious.... a driving licence only permits you to drive a 1 ton vehicle on public roads with all the responsibility that goes with that.... a passport is probably THE most important document an individual will ever posess so enough said....and finally a ten year €1,680 tv licence gives us peace of mind while sitting on our @rses, in our own homes, for as long we like watching a group of public servants on a box wasting our tv licence money!!!!!......makes perfect sense......what a great country we have!!!!!

Bruthal · 19-03-2012 11:14pm

Izzy Skint wrote: »

while we are at it we should all refuse to pay tv licence....not a joke, i am serious, what will they do, take over 1 million householders to court?...
a number of years back rte went crying cap in hand to government claiming there had not been a rise in tv licenece for so many years...and the government slapped €40 approx. onto the cost (if my memory is correct)

Thats right, i think it jumped from €100 to €150 in a single increase, and we put up with it as usual.

mconigol · 19-03-2012 11:15pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

The irony here is that those who can easily afford to pay are also those who can afford to refuse to pay.

The tactic of the Regime is to threaten and scare the vulnerable; but it won't work - you can't attack a million households when you have absolutely no democratic mandate.

I'm thinking Ghadaffi's fate might suit Enda - the video would be a hit on youtube and bring pleasure to millions

That kind of rhetoric does nothing for your cause btw. Totally un-necessary

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:18pm

mconigol wrote: »

That kind of rhetoric does nothing for your cause btw. Totally un-necessary

My "cause" needs no enhancement - 1.5 million householders can't be wrong.

Usurping democracy is surely a crime?

xflyer · 19-03-2012 11:22pm

My Mother is 86 years old. She lives alone in her house which she paid for over the last God knows how many years. She has no internet, doesn't really read the the papers and doesn't always understand the news. She is not exempt from paying the household charge. She depends on a widows pension and what my family gives her.

Imagine for one minute that she is prosecuted for not paying the charge. Imagine for one minute the storm of publicity that would generate. Imagine how many people like her are out there.

This is the reality that the likes of FG/Labour and DVpower fail to realise.

My family and me are straight up and down law abiding citizens. We pay our taxes and do the right thing. Same with my wife's family. But on this we're unanimous. We're not paying.

For the first time in my life, I'm standing up for something that could result in me getting a record. Not before time, I think.

But in truth I'm not worried. The weight of public opinion is against this. Furthermore the fiscal treaty referendum will be defeated. FF may caused all this but FG and Labour are confounding the whole thing. We all may hate Ahern and Cowen but Kenny is a rat's arse away from being the most hated man in Irish history. Are you listening DVpower?

Bruthal · 19-03-2012 11:23pm

Izzy Skint wrote: »

while we are at it we should all refuse to pay tv licence....not a joke, i am serious, what will they do, take over 1 million householders to court?...
a number of years back rte went crying cap in hand to government claiming there had not been a rise in tv licenece for so many years...and the government slapped €40 approx. onto the cost (if my memory is correct)

the tv licence should be no more than €10 per year!!!....168 euro a year to rte....for what ?....time to cut the apron strings i think, let them sink or swim...
.....a TEN year driving licence costs €25, a ten year passport costs €80 / €110, BUT!!! a ten year tv licence costs €1,680 !!....but I can see why...it's obvious.... a driving licence only permits you to drive a 1 ton vehicle on public roads with all the responsibility that goes with that.... a passport is probably THE most important document an individual will ever posess so enough said....and finally a ten year €1,680 tv licence gives us peace of mind while sitting on our @rses, in our own homes, for as long we like watching a group of public servants on a box wasting our tv licence money!!!!!......makes perfect sense......what a great country we have!!!!!

Just like they are trying to do with the property tax, the government has fooled people for years, into believing a tv licence is actually a licence for a tv.

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:28pm

robbie7730 wrote: »

fooled people for years, into believing a tv licence is actually a licence for a tv.

We now know it's actually a contribution to Labour Party funds!

dvpower · 19-03-2012 11:29pm

xflyer wrote: »

The weight of public opinion is against this.

The polls don't indicate this.

xflyer wrote: »

Furthermore the fiscal treaty referendum will be defeated.

The polls don't indicate this either.

tbh, I don't see them targetting pensioners for court enforcement. That would be a stupid tactic. Maybe start with people who live in the leafy burbs in large houses and good jobs.

Ghandee · 19-03-2012 11:30pm

Izzy Skint wrote: »

while we are at it we should all refuse to pay tv licence....not a joke, i am serious, what will they do, take over 1 million householders to court?...
a number of years back rte went crying cap in hand to government claiming there had not been a rise in tv licenece for so many years...and the government slapped €40 approx. onto the cost (if my memory is correct)

the tv licence should be no more than €10 per year!!!....168 euro a year to rte....for what ?....time to cut the apron strings i think, let them sink or swim...
.....a TEN year driving licence costs €25, a ten year passport costs €80 / €110, BUT!!! a ten year tv licence costs €1,680 !!....but I can see why...it's obvious.... a driving licence only permits you to drive a 1 ton vehicle on public roads with all the responsibility that goes with that.... a passport is probably THE most important document an individual will ever posess so enough said....and finally a ten year €1,680 tv licence gives us peace of mind while sitting on our @rses, in our own homes, for as long we like watching a group of public servants on a box wasting our tv licence money!!!!!......makes perfect sense......what a great country we have!!!!!

Duly noted! ^

And, I think we should all be emailing our electricity (any other utility bill company) suppliers, and remind them, that they have competitors who would be glad of our business should they be foolish enough to pass on our personal details to the Govt, or anyone else who should come asking for them!

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:34pm

dvpower wrote: »

Maybe start with people who live in the leafy burbs in large houses and good jobs.

Bring it on!

The very folk who can afford to contest it, delay, challenge and thus contribute to the failure of the "pay the German bankers' debt" scam

leedslad · 19-03-2012 11:35pm

paddy147 wrote: »

You know what a phone or google is?

Google it,or pick up a phone and ring them and ask them nicely,and they will tell you.

http://www.newbeginning.ie/who-should-contact-us/

"We encourage any homeowners coming before the Courts who face having their homes repossessed, yet have no legal representation, to contact us.

Our advocacy grouping are working around the clock on a voluntary basis, they will not be paid for their time or support in representing these individuals.

Have you been served with a writ claiming repossession of your home?

New Beginning is calling for members of the public who are facing repossession proceedings and have no current representation, to contact us".

Thanks for the link Paddy, That's kind of you,and very considerate of those solicitors to work for free

dvpower · 19-03-2012 11:37pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

Bring it on!

The very folk who can afford to contest it, delay, challenge and thus contribute to the failure of the "pay the German bankers' debt" scam

And pay the state's large legal costs when they lose. That'll be the end of the campaign - when someone fights it and gets hit with a massive legal bill.

xflyer · 19-03-2012 11:43pm

dvpower wrote: »

The polls don't indicate this.

The polls don't indicate this either.
tbh, I don't see them targetting pensioners for court enforcement. That would be a stupid tactic. Maybe start with people who live in the leafy burbs in large houses and good jobs.

You would say that, but of course you could be right. If the government scare tactics work as they did before we would all vote to have our balls cut off for the good of Germany! Because that's what this is about and we all know it.

Why not target pensioners, after all they've been targetted already while the people in leafy burbs get away with it. My Mother's pension has already been cut to the tune of three Euro, feisty woman that she is, she rang to complain but was fobbed off by the usual government apparachik whose fat pension has been barely touched.

Let's face it neither the people in the leafy burbs or the pensioners will be hit because it's glaringly obvious that the government has no guts whatsoever and they've completely misjudged the public mood.

twistyj · 19-03-2012 11:47pm

If a pint was €20....

20 Benson and Hedges were €50...

Sure You'd complain about it,

but i bet everyone would still pay it.

Everyone incl. the nay sayers will pay the household charge.

We are the Irish, the doormat of Europe.

Wild Bill · 19-03-2012 11:52pm

dvpower wrote: »

And pay the state's large legal costs when they lose. That'll be the end of the campaign - when someone fights it and gets hit with a massive legal bill.

Nah. This will end with those lampposts

xflyer · 19-03-2012 11:55pm

but i bet everyone would still pay it.

Everyone incl. the nay sayers will pay the household charge.

We are the Irish, the doormat of Europe.

I'll take that bet, I won't pay it and neither will any of my family.

As for Ireland being the doormat of Europe, yes completely agree. We are. When we stand up up and say no more. We'll get more respect. The British and it pays me to say it would never have put with this.

Snake Plisken · 19-03-2012 11:56pm

So if you don't pay before the 31st whats the late penalty?

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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