Internships

An internship where you learn something could be worth it. Depends on how valuable the skill is. Car Valeting would rank pretty low on the value scale.

FFS 9 months to 'train' as a car valet, who approves this crap?

Edit: OP any opportunities for you to finish your apprenticeship? An apprentice would be paid more than this and you would actually be working towards a qualification and a genuine skill rather than being exploited like this

baraca wrote: »

In my seemingly never ending search for a job what i have noticed lately is the lack of real jobs around that have been replaced by these "internships"

I'm talking about the ones that offer you €50 on top of your regular social welfare payment. In my case if i took up one i would then be working a 40 hour week for €185.

It's gotten to the stage now where i would nearly take it to be honest, There is one in a local car dealership around where i live offering an internship as a car valet. It's 9 months long but what i am wondering is would i have any chance of getting a full time job out of this?

I mean why would they offer me a full time contract when they could just let me go and take on another desperate person.

What's your opinion? Are they genuine internships where by you might get the chance at a full time contract based on your performance? Or is it just a way for the company to get cheap labour for a while.

why? for an extra few quid you'd lose all your spare time doing a pretty crappy job? take up a hobby or do a course in something instead of adding to the unemployment exploitation problem.

Wonderful, the guy running the valet car business hires a few interns for 9 months a piece at a cost of E50 a week to him.

He can then charge customers E10 instead of E20 for car valeting services, attracting all his competitors customers and he's making a higher margin then he did before.

The guy down the road who needs to actually pay his employees and his mortgage can't match that and ends up going out of business and on the dole too.

Excellent scheme!

Hey there.

These internship can actually be really worth it!!! I finished my degree in 2010 and like most people found it really really hard to find a job, especially as I had not yet any experience in the field that i am looking for.

Last year i started one of these internships with Donegal county council, I had lots of responsibilities such as updating one of their websites but also producing two of their tourism brochures on my own (researching the sites and actually writing the brochure myself), designed by a company. I have now the satisfaction of being able to see these brochures in tourist offices across donegal, sligo, derry etc. But also practical skills such as writing terms of references, researching design companies and meeting with them on my own. Not to mention further experience with Microsoft Excel and Access, Tourism Market Research and so on.

Just coming out of college, this internship gave me great confidence in myself to believe that i can do such complicated jobs on my own. Where as if I had not done such an internship I would feel even more un-sure of my capabilities.
But also the internship helped me to create contacts and links within the, and don't forget the skills that i had accomplished. Updating websites (experience with Content Management Systems), I would never of needed such a skill before but now I can gladly put it on my CV that i can do this.

But also the skill of writing terms of references, this along with experience with content management systems are useful for the type of job i will some day hopefully get within the social sector, (working with the homeless and disadvantaged). I may need some more experience in order to obtain such a job but at least i am on my way, and have some experience under my belt and feeling better about what i can do. As we all know from being unemployed it can eat away at your self confidence.

Well anyway what I am trying to say, they can actually be really helpful. You just need to keep in my will the internship benefit me, otherwise there might not be too much of a point in doing it.

mike65 wrote: »

The whole market has become skewed, what were genuine fully paid up positions are now 9 months of almost free labour at the end of which you will be shown the door and the whole thing starts over. Strip out Interns, WPP and CE schemes and it turns out about 50% of jobs are "real".

I don't know anything about the Internship's or WPP, but CE schemes only provide employees to either community groups or charity's .All have an obligation to employ people with disabilities , I think 5% of their workface.All also have a budget to allow people to train or upskill .
The rules has changed recently ,but it was possible to be on a CE scheme up to six years.

Though I do agree with you, these schemes do skewer the market and are open to abuse.

The backlash against these internships has begun in the UK.Tesco were deemed one of the biggest abusers of the scheme plus the 'Jobs Tzar' is under investigation.

I wonder if a bit of digging was done here how much abuse of the system by companies was taking place? Take Dixons: an internship in loading fridges on a van???

'Suspend back to work tsar': MPs demand Cameron acts after police launch fraud inquiry over job placements

Emma Harrison's firm A4e is accused of receiving fees from the taxpayer after finding people jobs lasting just 24 hours
The company has won state contracts worth millions over the last 20 years
She awarded herself £8.6million of mainly taxpayers' cash this month
David Cameron had hailed her an 'inspiration' to his employment campaign
But Labour MPs claim A4e's record on finding people jobs is 'abysmal'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103522/Suspend-work-tsar-MPs-demand-action-fraud-probe-job-placement-scheme.html#ixzz1muf7Am28

Tesco is to hold crisis talks with employment officials as the row over the supermarket chain’s use of ‘slave labour’ intensifies.

Several high-profile companies have already pulled out of the Government’s under-fire ‘workfare’ scheme and the food retail giant is getting increasingly jittery after one of its stores was forced to close by protesters.

Critics say the scheme enables companies to take on staff at little or no cost, with no guarantee of a job at the end of the placement.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103566/Crisis-talks-Tesco-supermarket-demands-changes-unpaid-work-scheme.html#ixzz1mufdYaGm

Ignore the bit in the second article about Cian Reilly taking a case saying that working in Poundland violated her human rights,there was a thread about this already and it turned out she was being paid an hourly rate for working but felt the job was beneath her.Apparently voluntary work in a Pen Museum while claiming benefits was better despite her being a qualified geologist.

PhoenixParker wrote: »

First, you're just out of college, a place where you have spent four years being taught things by very expensive people, in very expensive buildings with very expensive equipment. Yet you don't have the confidence or the ability to start a basic job? There is something very wrong with our education system, not just ours, it's a worldwide phenomenon that the academic industry has sold people on. Must have education to get job, oh look you're not qualified, must get masters, oh look not experienced, must work for free . . .

Second while it's wonderful for you that you got the opportunity to gain these skills, the reality is you got had. You/the government/your parents have spent alot of time and put in a lot of work to educate you to the point where you could even start to do those jobs and they're not willing to pay you decently for it? And while they're not paying you decently they're also not paying someone else out there decently. So the government is subsidising you to live while they're undercutting the real and formerly viable business of someone who can do the job. Now instead of one person on the dole, they'll have you doing an internship and someone else whose business has gone under.

Make work jobs for the dole is the same thing. If the government wants the streets cleaned or the schools painted or whatever, then hire someone to do it and pay them a wage. The economic benefits will far outweigh the benefits of any sort of fake internship/make work scheme.

+ 1 to this. Internships are nothing more than exploiting people. It must be very satisfactory for a company to get an eager person is who has been trying desperately to get a job somewhere to work for free for a year and now you have tescos and other retail shops doing the same. what a bargin for a business like. absolute joke.