Internships

dark_shadow

Don't care if its been said already but "what a ****ing joke"!!

Government expect to pay people less, pay them less for the same work as other people do and expect them to be happy. I've been there done that and WON'T do it again!!:mad:

Freddie59

baraca wrote: »

What's your opinion? Are they genuine internships where by you might get the chance at a full time contract based on your performance? Or is it just a way for the company to get cheap labour for a while.

They are an absolute abomination, with multinational chain stores getting, as you rightly describe it, cheap labour. An internship? In how to unload lorries and stack shelves?

If they are serious about this, these should only be offered to new startup companies. But then you couldn't massage the dole figures. Sigh.

NinjaK

The real problem with this Internship is that they let go people after 9 months, if they were required to take then on after the 9 months it would be much better. Its a farce at the moment.

bnt

someuser905 wrote: »

this is the race to the bottom

Yes, it is. It's also the effect of supply vs. demand. So many things that people used to do by hand are now done by machine, much more efficiently, such as farming - or, where people are needed, they often can be done where people are cheaper, in China, India, etc. There is not much genuine value creation going on in Ireland, and those activities don't require masses of people who have poor-to-moderate education. Selling stuff to each other doesn't count: sales doesn't create value, it merely shuffles money around.

This is hardly a new problem, of course - it's one that Karl Marx was trying to solve when he invented Communism - but that wasn't a solution, either. Even the current "Chinese solution" - capitalism under strict government financial controls - only works for now because no-one else is doing it.

So, what next? Beats me.

Disko biscuits

Has anyone actually done one that they gained something out of it? as stated by another poster you can't really gain experience by stacking shelvs for 9 months.
Was going to do one of these but after reading this there is not a chance I would go near these internships :mad:

dvpower

Disko biscuits wrote: »

Has anyone actually done one that they gained something out of it? as stated by another poster you can't really gain experience by stacking shelvs for 9 months.
Was going to do one of these but after reading this there is not a chance I would go near these internships :mad:

You do get a choice of the internships you apply to, so you don't have to apply for something that involves stacking shelves.
I presume there are interviews for these internship positions, so you can ask the employer what work is involved and what training is involved.

later12

One of my siblings was searching for jobs one morning recently and saw her old position advertised as an internship. It is indeed a role that people tend to start off in, yet is a professional position that requires a finance/ maths degree, and is being passed off as an internship opportunity by a large financial institution posting considerable profits.

I'm not sure the DSP are getting their oversight quite right on this.

forfuxsake

bnt wrote: »

Yes, it is. It's also the effect of supply vs. demand. So many things that people used to do by hand are now done by machine, much more efficiently, such as farming - or, where people are needed, they often can be done where people are cheaper, in China, India, etc. There is not much genuine value creation going on in Ireland, and those activities don't require masses of people who have poor-to-moderate education. Selling stuff to each other doesn't count: sales doesn't create value, it merely shuffles money around.

This is hardly a new problem, of course - it's one that Karl Marx was trying to solve when he invented Communism - but that wasn't a solution, either. Even the current "Chinese solution" - capitalism under strict government financial controls - only works for now because no-one else is doing it.

So, what next? Beats me.

skynet

forfuxsake

I was let go from a company two years ago as they couldn't afford to keep me on. I was the sole permanent employee. Apart from the two directors they have no permanent staff. They have an announcement on their website they have been accepted for the internship programme. So looks like the temporary staff they took on from time to time will be gone too.

madness.

Mars Bar

I got turned down for an internship because I "didn't have enough experience".

Ehm, that's why I was applying for it.

MungBean

NinjaK wrote: »

The real problem with this Internship is that they let go people after 9 months, if they were required to take then on after the 9 months it would be much better. Its a farce at the moment.

Exactly, if company gets 9 months to train someone to do a job at the states expense knowing they have no need for that person after that they arent going to be too worried about the individual and actually training them. They will just exploit them while they have them.

If they were obliged to keep them for another 9 months at full pay then the first 9 would be spent on actually training to person to make sure once they have to take them on they are well trained and capable of doing the work.

Anyone who went into the intership scheme would be guaranteed a job and be pretty sure the training would be beneficial. As it stands now its just free labour for the companies to massage unemployment figures.

BASHIR

Currently doing an internship and have learned so much in the short few months I've been there, an absolutely great experience for myself when I was looking at the possibility of heading out of the country. All I can recommend is don't do one just for sake of it, find out what you will gain from the opportunity and use it for your gain rather than the companies.

Disko biscuits

I was thinking of getting one in sports direct in the square
Feels like I will never work a proper job

jondoe54

TAKING THE PISS ON INTERNSHIPS

I know this chip shop it's in my town this is taking internship to a whole new low. Cheap labor is what their looking for and it dose not cost the owner a thing just the Tax payer it's about time this government put a stop to this Exploitation and Abuse of the unemployed in Ireland instead of mickey mouse business exploiting young people on the dole for there own gains.
Internships should only be used by companies that have a real vacant position that needs to be filled in the future and they must have at least 10 other people working for them so they can give the the intern the correct training. Put a stop to the Exploitation but it looks good when the government put the figures out on people claiming unemployment benefit have dropped.

tallaghtmick

jondoe54 wrote: »

TAKING THE PISS ON INTERNSHIPS

I know this chip shop it's in my town this is taking internship to a whole new low. Cheap labor is what their looking for and it dose not cost the owner a thing just the Tax payer it's about time this government put a stop to this Exploitation and Abuse of the unemployed in Ireland instead of mickey mouse business exploiting young people on the dole for there own gains.
Internships should only be used by companies that have a real vacant position that needs to be filled in the future and they must have at least 10 other people working for them so they can give the the intern the correct training. Put a stop to the Exploitation but it looks good when the government put the figures out on people claiming unemployment benefit have dropped.

Why the anonymous account? Are you afraid the chipper will refuse you a a batter sausage if you rat them out

mawk

Just to go atheist the grain, the company I am in is just starting its second set of jobbrige interns. 2 interns started this week. The two previous interns were both given paid positions when they finished. One is an assistant accountant and one is a qa tech.

Both had been out of work.

fishy fishy

cheap layour disguised as "gaining experience"

if a company needs an employee then hire one at the going rate - it will get somebody off the dole and into a working environment. Forget this 9 month "experience" and then get out.

Lots of people on the dole now know more than people "hiring" interns. There will be no job creation in ireland if people keeps hiring these "interns" at 50 euro per week over the dole.

Lets start creating real jobs, instead of working for nothing.

Death and Taxes

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

That isn't an intership. The lad offering you that position is breaking the law. If you want to be a party to criminal activity, fine. It may backfire on you.

Come next election we could see people like him prosecuted. Hopefully people will cop on when it's time to vote again.

Not that I agree with these internships but perhaps you would be so good as to explain what law is being broken and what exactly is the nature of this "criminal activity"?

Lenin Skynard

I wouldn't care if there was a job at the end of it unless I was given nine months backpay. At the moment I work a job that I chose, and some days I can barely drag myself out of bed to do it. It's unbelievable that people are able to get out of bed in the morning to go somewhere and clean/make tea for no pay.

jessicaxxx

Internships seem to be a joke in ireland why would you pay someone proper wages when you can pay someone 50 euro a week. I saw an ad for an internship for a dental nurse some of the requirments were that you were not to wear make up at work and be a non smoker and clean sounds more like school than a job!

JimmyCrackCorn

I never understood this. I worked for peanuts and a sandwich when I first left college to get experience. At least I had a direction and a way to get there.

Sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle is not going to give you anything but a fat ass and hatred of humanity.


When did Ireland become afraid of working for/towards something better?

JustAThought

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

I never understood this. I worked for peanuts and a sandwich when I first left college to get experience. At least I had a direction and a way to get there.

Sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle is not going to give you anything but a fat ass and hatred of humanity.


When did Ireland become afraid of working for/towards something better?

When they realised that the person/company they were working for and incurring expenses & opportunity costs to work for free for, was profiting from your disadvantage & free labour.and that because this was becoming endemic across many markets, the lower starter jobs would simply never become available; leaving you in a vicious circle.

It also became that way when companies offering internships stopped employing people and made the requirements for internships with them as effectively being qualified, with enough solid paid years industry experience to be able to do the job -except the role expects you not only to be qualified, & have 3 or 4 years industry expeience--but also to work for free.

fishy fishy

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

I never understood this. I worked for peanuts and a sandwich when I first left college to get experience. At least I had a direction and a way to get there.

Sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle is not going to give you anything but a fat ass and hatred of humanity.


When did Ireland become afraid of working for/towards something better?

are you working now? what would you do if you got "laid off" and a year later you saw your job being advertised for an "intern". I'm sure you would be delighted when you have to sit at home watching jeremy kyle while some other person is delighted to do you job for nothing.

kylith

BASHIR wrote: »

Currently doing an internship and have learned so much in the short few months I've been there, an absolutely great experience for myself when I was looking at the possibility of heading out of the country. All I can recommend is don't do one just for sake of it, find out what you will gain from the opportunity and use it for your gain rather than the companies.

Well, that's what internships are; a way of gaining experience in a field, learning trade-specific skills, making connections, and moving on to a permanent position within the same field when your internship is up.

HOWEVER there is no bloody need that I can remotely comprehend as to why an internship in working in a chipper, or washing cars needs an internship.

beano345

kylith wrote: »

Well, that's what internships are; a way of gaining experience in a field, learning trade-specific skills, making connections, and moving on to a permanent position within the same field when your internship is up.

HOWEVER there is no bloody need that I can remotely comprehend as to why an internship in working in a chipper, or washing cars needs an internship.

i worked for freight companies for 10 years in warehousing and most jobs advertised now for that role are internships,its not exactly rocket science but you can tell the people with experience in it,id nearly consider it an insult to go into a warehouse job and have someone younger and less experienced trying to train me in on something ive spent most of my working life doing! as for the 50 euro it wouldnt even pay you in petrol costs!

sbsquarepants

baraca wrote: »

It's gotten to the stage now where i would nearly take it to be honest, There is one in a local car dealership around where i live offering an internship as a car valet. It's 9 months long but what i am wondering is would i have any chance of getting a full time job out of this?


What's your opinion? .

My opinion is that it doesn't take 9 months to learn how to clean a fúcking car.
Avoid!!

fishy fishy

how much does it cost to valet a car these days - by hiring an "intern" to do it, all this is pure profit for the employer - while the poor eejit of an "intern" gets to do all the hard work for a measly 50 Euro . Would 50 Euro cover even ONE car?

I acutely think it worse with "professional jobs", the people who take a retail internship or the like are most likely not to have any work experience at all and at least at the end of it they will have something to put on the CV.

Its the like of large multinational enginreering firms using internships that I would have a problem with, if you have a degree in anything technical/engineering where you undergraduate course consisted of a lot of applied science or engineering ( in other words useful skills ) then you should be take on in a graduate program that is paid( its is different if you have a degree in something waffley or some sort of science/engineering studies as opposed to an applied engineering/science degree )

Freddy Smelly

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Wonderful, the guy running the valet car business hires a few interns for 9 months a piece at a cost of E50 a week to him.

He can then charge customers E10 instead of E20 for car valeting services, attracting all his competitors customers and he's making a higher margin then he did before.

The guy down the road who needs to actually pay his employees and his mortgage can't match that and ends up going out of business and on the dole too.

Excellent scheme!

it doesnt cost the employer €50 a week it costs the tax payer

the employer gets free labour

Rafcam

I've just graduated from college and am finding it hard to find any work relating to my degree. I have found several of these job bridge internships that I would love to do and that I think would be really beneficial in order to get some real life experience but I can't apply for them as I've had a part time job as a waitress over the summer and haven't been getting any social welfare.

Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem and if there's any way around it?