What would you do with Peyton Manning?

JaMarcus Hustle · 13-03-2012 11:06AM

Levi Brown released by the Cardinals. Not only does it give them the cap room to get Peyton, it also reassures him that he at least wont have the worst LT in the league in front of him

Jolly Red Giant · 13-03-2012 03:44PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Levi Brown released by the Cardinals. Not only does it give them the cap room to get Peyton, it also reassures him that he at least wont have the worst LT in the league in front of him

yes they have gone from having the worst LT to having no LT at all - and they are still over the cap limit.

In relation to the fins - apparently Manning was 'underwhelmed' by the 6 hour meeting.

JaMarcus Hustle · 13-03-2012 03:55PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

yes they have gone from having the worst LT to having no LT at all - and they are still over the cap limit.

Lining up with no LT would bring the element of surprise and confusion - an infinitely more effective gameplan than lining up with Levi "The Sieve" Brown at LT

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

In relation to the fins - apparently Manning was 'underwhelmed' by the 6 hour meeting.

Let me guess... Broncos beat writer?

davyjose · 13-03-2012 03:57PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd be shocked if Texans ditched Schuab for Manning, it makes very little sense.

Schaubs not exactly Mr Healthy himself.

Paully D · 13-03-2012 04:47PM

Schefter reckons the Texans have no plans to pursue Manning, despite reports.

Chucky the tree · 13-03-2012 04:49PM

davyjose wrote: »

Schaubs not exactly Mr Healthy himself.

Give me the guy who's 6 years younger and coming off a foot injury than someone coming off a serious neck injury.

spiralism · 13-03-2012 05:23PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

yes they have gone from having the worst LT to having no LT at all - and they are still over the cap limit.

In relation to the fins - apparently Manning was 'underwhelmed' by the 6 hour meeting.

What's the source there actually? don't see klis, kiszla, lombardi or paige with it after taking a quick read so it's not a broncos beat reporter.

I'm more worried about Tenn than Miami if i'm honest. Miami can't keep their attentions on Manning for long either, if they wait and miss out, Flynn will be gone too and they're ****ed.

Broncos looking to bring in Mike Tolbert, Reggie Nelson and Paul Soliai in the meantime while this resolves. The first two would be great additions, though im iffy on Tolbert, can't say i really rated him that much in SD.

Jolly Red Giant · 13-03-2012 05:47PM

spiralism wrote: »

What's the source there actually? don't see klis, kiszla, lombardi or paige with it after taking a quick read so it's not a broncos beat reporter.

NFLN's @JeffDarlington reported earlier Manning was "underwhelmed with the structure in place" with the Dolphins. #Rosseffect

spiralism wrote: »

I'm more worried about Tenn than Miami if i'm honest. Miami can't keep their attentions on Manning for long either, if they wait and miss out, Flynn will be gone too and they're ****ed.

Apparently Miami are more interested in drafting Tannehill than signing Flynn - with Flynn going to Seattle or Cleveland. If this is accurate then it poses a question mark over Flynn given that Philbin was Flynn's OC in GB.

I am not worried about the Titans - Bud Adams is a nutcase who overruled his coaches to draft Vince Young. The GM and HC don't want Manning - they regard Hasselback as a good QB and Locker can be their franchise QB of the future. Fisher got out because he couldn't deal with Adams anymore. But Adams pulls the strings so Munchack will go and visit Manning. Manning is way too smart to put himself into that situation.

spiralism wrote: »

Broncos looking to bring in Mike Tolbert, Reggie Nelson and Paul Soliai in the meantime while this resolves. The first two would be great additions, though im iffy on Tolbert, can't say i really rated him that much in SD.

Personally I would prefer Bush to Tolbert - but I think Tolbert would suit McCoys offence. Nelson is about the best ball-hawking S available in free agency and S is weak in the draft. Solari is a NT in a 3-4 defence - he's a damned good run-stuffer but the 4-3 DT also needs to get pressure on the QB and that is a question mark over Soliai. Red Bryant might be a better option - but either would be a significant upgrade over the current Denver DT's.

Another player the Broncos should be looking at is CB Brandon Carr - while Denver might draft a CB in the 1st round (if they think they can get Weeden by trading up in round 2) - it is inevitable that Bailey will move to safety before long. Given the pass-rush Denver are capable of generating - two top-notch CBs will deliver sack after sack.

Update - Just read that the Broncos are targetting Tolbert, Soliai and Nelson. It appears that both KC and SD are also after Soliai.

spiralism · 13-03-2012 05:55PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

NFLN's @JeffDarlington reported earlier Manning was "underwhelmed with the structure in place" with the Dolphins. #Rosseffect

Apparently Miami are more interested in drafting Tannehill than signing Flynn - with Flynn going to Seattle or Cleveland. If this is accurate then it poses a question mark over Flynn given that Philbin was Flynn's OC in GB.

I am not worried about the Titans - Bud Adams is a nutcase who overruled his coaches to draft Vince Young. The GM and HC don't want Manning - they regard Hasselback as a good QB and Locker can be their franchise QB of the future. Fisher got out because he couldn't deal with Adams anymore. But Adams pulls the strings so Munchack will go and visit Manning. Manning is way too smart to put himself into that situation.

Personally I would prefer Bush to Tolbert - but I think Tolbert would suit McCoys offence. Nelson is about the best ball-hawking S available in free agency and S is weak in the draft. Solari is a NT in a 3-4 defence - he's a damned good run-stuffer but the 4-3 DT also needs to get pressure on the QB and that is a question mark over Solari. Red Bryant might be a better option - but either would be a significant upgrade over the current Denver DT's.

Another player the Broncos should be looking at is CB Brandon Carr - while Denver might draft a CB in the 1st round (if they think they can get Weeden by trading up in round 2) - it is inevitable that Bailey will move to safety before long. Given the pass-rush Denver are capable of generating - two top-notch CBs will deliver sack after sack.

Weeden in the draft at all is a phenomenally stupid move imo. If we get Manning, drafing a 29 y/o rookie to back him up is idiotic and if we don't, god forbid, we're as well of sticking with Tebow instead of mortgaging the farm on a 29 year old rookie that will probably bust. That would be A1 certified Millen level decision making. I can certainly buy the idea of Manning over Tebow but even the notion of Weeden is insulting to both Tebow and the fanbase's intelligence.

HigginsJ · 13-03-2012 06:35PM

spiralism wrote: »

What's the source there actually? don't see klis, kiszla, lombardi or paige with it after taking a quick read so it's not a broncos beat reporter.

I'm more worried about Tenn than Miami if i'm honest. Miami can't keep their attentions on Manning for long either, if they wait and miss out, Flynn will be gone too and they're ****ed.

Broncos looking to bring in Mike Tolbert, Reggie Nelson and Paul Soliai in the meantime while this resolves. The first two would be great additions, though im iffy on Tolbert, can't say i really rated him that much in SD.[/QUOTE]

Tolbert and Soliai re both excellent additions. Doubt you'd have to pay Tolbert a huge amount but he is a reliable pass catcher out of the back-field and be a good complement for McGahee

Jolly Red Giant · 13-03-2012 08:20PM

spiralism wrote: »

Weeden in the draft at all is a phenomenally stupid move imo. If we get Manning, drafing a 29 y/o rookie to back him up is idiotic and if we don't, god forbid, we're as well of sticking with Tebow instead of mortgaging the farm on a 29 year old rookie that will probably bust. That would be A1 certified Millen level decision making. I can certainly buy the idea of Manning over Tebow but even the notion of Weeden is insulting to both Tebow and the fanbase's intelligence.

What evidence do you have for suggesting he will be a bust?

What evidence do you have that they will mortgage the farm on him?

As regards Tebow - EXF have clearly signalled with their pursuit of Manning that they do not consider Tebow as the future - and Elway in particular wants him out of Denver.

Weeden is smart (very smart), can read defences, has a quick release, can throw every pass in the book and is as accurate as Luck (all the things Tebow can't do). If it wasn't for his age he could be a top 3 pick (and definitely a top 10 pick). Elway wanted to draft Luck and I think this he views Weeden as a older, not quite as polished or guaranteed, version of Luck.

EXF spent more than 30 minutes grilling Weeden at the combine - they brought him to Denver and ran him through a very extensive physical programme - put him sitting in front of a TV and quizzed him for more than two hours about every decision he made during the bowl game against Stanford and then went to his pro-day in Stillwater right before bringing Manning to Denver and spend more time grilling him in interviews and watching him throw the ball. The only other player that they did such extensive work on over the past two years was Von Miller. Every step along the way Weeden has impressed the Broncos - some commentators suggest that Elway views him as comparable with Kubiak (in terms of smarts and skill) but with much better physical attributes (the one issue that caused Kubiak not to be a franchise QB).

Weeden has been a starter for two years at Oklahoma -
In 2010, he threw for over 4,200 yards, 34 touchdowns and a completion percentage of 66.9.
In 2010, he threw for over 4,700 yards, 37 touchdowns and a completion percentage of 72.3.

This is what Mik Maylock said about Weeden -
“He made every throw you can make...The ones I wanted to see were outside the numbers. I know he can drive it inside the numbers, I know he can throw the seam, the deep in cuts—he showed me that in the game. What I saw today was the ability to drive it outside the numbers. . . . He showed every throw, he made every throw and it was really impressive.”

"Weeden isn’t as good an athlete as Luck, Griffin or Tannehill, but he showed good enough measurables that his athleticism isn’t a concern..He ran a 4.9 40, he did all the shuttles, he did all the jumps, he’s more athletic than people thought he was.”

Peter King quoted one GM comparing Weeden to Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton - stating he was very smart with a better arm - and as someone who’s able to learn an NFL offense quickly and start as a rookie. Weeden is that kind of player, he’ll be a good deal for some team.

As regards his age - Weeden could play at the top level for 10 years - that is more than most QBs taken in the first round of the draft. He is far more mature than every other rookie and has already been through the mill with baseball so he knows the score and how to deal with the ups and downs. Now the downside is that skills-wise he is probably at his peak - but as Maylock has pointed out he can make all the passes he needs to. If Manning signs he will sit for three years behind Manning and step straight into his shoes. If Manning gets hurt Weeden would be able to carry the can. He would be the Broncos insurance policy with Manning on board. At worst he will be an excellent back-up in the Kubiak mold - and will probably be a lot better - and will teach a young QB who will not be rushed to start from day one.

The Broncos are very serious about drafting him and while I doubt they would use the No.25, I could see them moving up in the second round to take him. If Manning doesn't sign for the Broncos I could see Weeden beating out Tebow for the QB job by September (assuming Tebow is still in Denver by then) - and he will do it on merit. I may be way off the mark in my assessment of what EXF plan to do in the draft - but it would be a major surprise for me if Denver didn't draft Weeden.

Weeden in action -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkLIET5uvA

frostie500 · 13-03-2012 08:33PM

I was also hugely impressed by Weeden last year and I think one thing that will stand him in very good steed is that he has already experienced the pressures, and fortunes, of being a pro sportsman.

While he never cracked it at the major level he spent three or four years in the league and had the pressure of being a second round choice (obviously baseball's draft and player farming system is very different to the NFL but it still gives him a sense of expectation for what is to come.)

I think if he was four years younger there would be no doubts about him. As JRG says he can still perform for ten years in the NFL. If the Broncos do get Manning there is no chance that they take another QB in the early rounds but if Peyton goes elsewhere the Broncos could easily take a QB. They have shown their hand in relation to Tebow and while last year he was impressive and did well they clearly want a better passer as their QB.

davyjose · 13-03-2012 11:59PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Give me the guy who's 6 years younger and coming off a foot injury than someone coming off a serious neck injury.

Give me arguably the greatest offensive mind the game has seen. Neck is fine, not sure how people are still out of the loop on this.

Syferus · 14-03-2012 12:04AM

From the reports, once this type of fusion is successful the neck is just no less durable than it was originally. The issue with Manning is nerve regrowth and arm strength, which from all reports is coming along very nicely six months out from the season.

davyjose · 14-03-2012 12:16AM

IMO the texans are possibly a SB team, but Schaubs not the difference maker here. The texans window for a championship is about the length of the remainder of mannings career anyway. Why not give him a tryout and if he looks like himself, youve got one of the best ever on a very strong team. If he stinks, dont sign him. Simple.

adrian522 · 14-03-2012 12:24AM

I'd just love to see manning going up against the colts twice a year.

Syferus · 14-03-2012 12:30AM

People here are really throwing Schaub under the bus. He's a Top 7-8 QB with the potential to be in the top three in terms of stats with the pieces around him. You don't enter yourself into the Manning sweepstakes and maybe get him, at most for three years.

If you fail in your bid you end up destroying Schuab's faith in his coaches and risking casting a cloud over a season that should be the Texans' shot at the big time. Yates showed impressive poise himself after being thrust into the starting line-up, too. The Texans are set at QB, better than most any team in the league.

If you want to do something to the Texans offense, get a quality #2 receiver that will draw some of the heat from Andre Johnson, there's certainly enough of them available right now.

JaMarcus Hustle · 14-03-2012 12:32AM

Syferus wrote: »

If you want to do something to the Texans offense, get a quality #2 receiver that will draw some of the heat from Andre Johnson, there's certainly enough of them available right now.

I don't know about that, when we wake up tomorrow morning the Redskins will probably have signed them all.

Jolly Red Giant · 14-03-2012 12:50AM

The Texans are not involved with Manning - GM McNair has emphatically ruled it out.

The Denver Post is carrying an article that Manning now has a shortlist of two with the Broncos being one of the two.

Miami seem to have completely shot themselves in the foot by trading Marshall.

Bud Adams has attempted to fly a private jet to Miami twice to pick up Manning but the flight has been cancelled both times.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20166207/peyton-manning-has-broncos-among-top-two-choices

TimThomas · 14-03-2012 12:56AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Texans are not involved with Manning - GM McNair has emphatically ruled it out.

The Denver Post is carrying an article that Manning now has a shortlist of two with the Broncos being one of the two.

Miami seem to have completely shot themselves in the foot by trading Marshall.

Bud Adams has attempted to fly a private jet to Miami twice to pick up Manning but the flight has been cancelled both times.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20166207/peyton-manning-has-broncos-among-top-two-choices

Trust Denver articles to be the only ones saying the Marshall trade is bad for Miami when everything else including articles newer than yours are saying its a good thing and done for the reason of getting Manning. Time will tell.

UnitedIrishman · 14-03-2012 01:08AM

It's amazing how different press reports ranges from a) Manning or Miami wanted rid of Marshall before Manning arrived, b) Manning didn't care much at all about it and had nothing to do with it, to c) they've ruined their chances of getting Manning by getting rid of him.

Really just goes to show, nobody in the media knows fúck all about what Manning is thinking or planning!

me-skywalker · 14-03-2012 10:41AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

What evidence do you have for suggesting he will be a bust?

What evidence do you have that they will mortgage the farm on him?

As regards Tebow - EXF have clearly signalled with their pursuit of Manning that they do not consider Tebow as the future - and Elway in particular wants him out of Denver.

Weeden is smart (very smart), can read defences, has a quick release, can throw every pass in the book and is as accurate as Luck (all the things Tebow can't do). If it wasn't for his age he could be a top 3 pick (and definitely a top 10 pick). Elway wanted to draft Luck and I think this he views Weeden as a older, not quite as polished or guaranteed, version of Luck.

EXF spent more than 30 minutes grilling Weeden at the combine - they brought him to Denver and ran him through a very extensive physical programme - put him sitting in front of a TV and quizzed him for more than two hours about every decision he made during the bowl game against Stanford and then went to his pro-day in Stillwater right before bringing Manning to Denver and spend more time grilling him in interviews and watching him throw the ball. The only other player that they did such extensive work on over the past two years was Von Miller. Every step along the way Weeden has impressed the Broncos - some commentators suggest that Elway views him as comparable with Kubiak (in terms of smarts and skill) but with much better physical attributes (the one issue that caused Kubiak not to be a franchise QB).

Weeden has been a starter for two years at Oklahoma -
In 2010, he threw for over 4,200 yards, 34 touchdowns and a completion percentage of 66.9.
In 2010, he threw for over 4,700 yards, 37 touchdowns and a completion percentage of 72.3.

This is what Mik Maylock said about Weeden -
“He made every throw you can make...The ones I wanted to see were outside the numbers. I know he can drive it inside the numbers, I know he can throw the seam, the deep in cuts—he showed me that in the game. What I saw today was the ability to drive it outside the numbers. . . . He showed every throw, he made every throw and it was really impressive.”

"Weeden isn’t as good an athlete as Luck, Griffin or Tannehill, but he showed good enough measurables that his athleticism isn’t a concern..He ran a 4.9 40, he did all the shuttles, he did all the jumps, he’s more athletic than people thought he was.”

Peter King quoted one GM comparing Weeden to Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton - stating he was very smart with a better arm - and as someone who’s able to learn an NFL offense quickly and start as a rookie. Weeden is that kind of player, he’ll be a good deal for some team.

As regards his age - Weeden could play at the top level for 10 years - that is more than most QBs taken in the first round of the draft. He is far more mature than every other rookie and has already been through the mill with baseball so he knows the score and how to deal with the ups and downs. Now the downside is that skills-wise he is probably at his peak - but as Maylock has pointed out he can make all the passes he needs to. If Manning signs he will sit for three years behind Manning and step straight into his shoes. If Manning gets hurt Weeden would be able to carry the can. He would be the Broncos insurance policy with Manning on board. At worst he will be an excellent back-up in the Kubiak mold - and will probably be a lot better - and will teach a young QB who will not be rushed to start from day one.

The Broncos are very serious about drafting him and while I doubt they would use the No.25, I could see them moving up in the second round to take him. If Manning doesn't sign for the Broncos I could see Weeden beating out Tebow for the QB job by September (assuming Tebow is still in Denver by then) - and he will do it on merit. I may be way off the mark in my assessment of what EXF plan to do in the draft - but it would be a major surprise for me if Denver didn't draft Weeden.

Weeden in action -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkLIET5uvA

Fair play JRG, brilliant breakdown, analysis and hypothosis. Of all the theories and junk journalism I find this the most interesting.
I only watched 5 college games last year but 2 of them were Oklahoma and I was very impressed with Weedon and really think he could step right upto the plate in a pro team, might not be perfect or a starter first season but he will be able to move the chains if needed and with a year or 2 experience will be ready to be a starter.

Could Bronco's really make a huge shift in bringing in both Weedon and Manning and ship out Tebow? This seems implausible for such a sudden shift but not so drastic that with the Def Bronco's have, they could want to make a move on the OFF immediately and not hang around waiting to see IF Tebow can make the improvement in the pocket.

I like this solution the best, but where would Tebow end up in this merry-go-round? Back in Florida with Miami or the Jags?

haha....

spiralism · 14-03-2012 10:27PM

Titans almost certainly have him now, so we're ****ed.

Syferus · 14-03-2012 10:38PM

spiralism wrote: »

Titans almost certainly have him now, so we're ****ed.

Based on what?

Broncos have plenty reasons to be excited outside Manning, not least those sessions with Elway 'teaching' Tebow. Awwwk-ward.

spiralism · 14-03-2012 11:00PM

Syferus wrote: »

Based on what?

Broncos have plenty reasons to be excited outside Manning, not least those sessions with Elway 'teaching' Tebow. Awwwk-ward.

numerous sources reporting that Adams is offering Manning a stake in the team, a board position for Archie and a job in the front office after he retires. Lot of people on twitter saying that Titans are now favourites. It's a done deal.

yeah exactly, the only thing we have to look forward to when Manning doesn't sign is getting pumped at least twelve times next year and having a 29 year old rookie at QB. I ****ing hate this team, at least if i supported the browns i'd expect to be **** every year, this is much more heartbreaking hovering on the edge of something great before ****ing it up and ending up terrible again.

Chucky the tree · 14-03-2012 11:03PM

Large contract extension on the way for Timmy? :pac:

Jolly Red Giant · 14-03-2012 11:52PM

spiralism wrote: »

numerous sources reporting that Adams is offering Manning a stake in the team, a board position for Archie and a job in the front office after he retires. Lot of people on twitter saying that Titans are now favourites. It's a done deal.

First point - players are not allowed own a stake in a franchise.
Secondly - Bud Adams is even more off the wall than Al Davis was - he chops and changes his mind more often than he has a hot dinner.
Thirdly - the coach and GM don't want Manning
Fourth point - Manning is far more suited to becoming a coach than going into the FO.

Now the Titans do have a good OL and a decent offence. Manning's decision will ultimately be based on where he thinks he can win a SB.

It really is funny how some Broncos fans are bouncing from high to low and back again instead of letting the process run it's course.

spiralism · 15-03-2012 03:18AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

First point - players are not allowed own a stake in a franchise.
Secondly - Bud Adams is even more off the wall than Al Davis was - he chops and changes his mind more often than he has a hot dinner.
Thirdly - the coach and GM don't want Manning
Fourth point - Manning is far more suited to becoming a coach than going into the FO.

Now the Titans do have a good OL and a decent offence. Manning's decision will ultimately be based on where he thinks he can win a SB.

It really is funny how some Broncos fans are bouncing from high to low and back again instead of letting the process run it's course.

First point - big deal, the titans would take the fine.
Second point - all well and good til he's stuffing peyton's pockets full of notes. Supposedly he cancelled the visits yesterday because he was going to announce he'd sign for us and the titans made an offer he couldn't refuse.
Third- They'll want what Adams tells them to want, thats the way it works there.
Fourth- Maybe, but he'd be quite happy to work in the front office there.

He's titans bound. We had our chance.

Off topic but i love Von Miller:

Von Miller @MillerLite40
I would take a huge pay cut to get Mario Williams and Peyton Manning! I just want to win!!! #BroncoNation it's our time!

Von Miller ‏ @MillerLite40
Mario and Manning = I will play this season for free, super bowls are priceless!!!

Syferus · 15-03-2012 03:46AM

At least it'll mean the Broncos are finally forced to actually develop Tebow.

Need a tissue? Cuz there's egg on yo' face, Johnnie!

Ahem.

spiralism · 15-03-2012 03:51AM

Syferus wrote: »

At least it'll mean the Broncos are finally forced to actually develop Tebow.

Need a tissue? Cuz there's egg on yo' face, Johnnie!

Ahem.

This is such an embarrassing time to be a Broncos fan...

What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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