DoE testing - The Last Word

Morgan The Moon · 11-03-2012 12:12am

Martin_D wrote: »

Ignorance of the law is no defense. Laws and regulations are enacted all the time and there is no obligation to personally notify everyone - publication in iris oifiguil is the formal general notice

This of course is correct. However if the legislation as published is considered flawless then there would be no reason for debate.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 12:22am

Morgan The Moon wrote: »

The legality of the test is arguable if the test does not carry out testing procedures as per the manufactures operating recommendations. Personally I have not received any notification by mail or any other method. By chance I read items on this forum, hence as you can see I joined so as to interject.
My vehicle is taxed and insured. Maybe An Post is at fault or maybe the RSA.
Do you think they have proof of posting!

I would think that with the vast number of manufacturers of motorhomes it would be an impossible job to consult with them all!.
It was known that the VTN garages were to carry out these tests so perhaps these queries should have been raised during the consultation period by other people in the same situation as you.

If you would like to PM me I'll give you the name of my contact in Ballina and you can query with him as to why you did not receive a letter.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 12:32am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I would think that with the vast number of manufacturers of motorhomes it would be an impossible job to consult with them all!.
It was known that the VTN garages were to carry out these tests so perhaps these queries should have been raised during the consultation period by other people in the same situation as you.

If you would like to PM me I'll give you the name of my contact in Ballina and you can query with him as to why you did not receive a letter.

rsa dont really do consultation period, as testers we v never been asked of the practical implecations of any changes they ve ever made, we just recieve the information and the date to make the changes, that is why they have to do so much backtracking when ever they come up with something new, which does happen pretty often.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 12:35am

I'm sure that the law regarding campervans will have to be tweeked at some time for various things such as interior inspection to make sure no waste water flows out, at the moment no mention of displaying test cert discs on the windscreen because we don't have them yet, but they are going to bring them in.

If any other points are brought, by enough people, to the attention of the RSA who knows what could change.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 12:38am

Pjwal wrote: »

rsa dont really do consultation period, as testers we v never been asked of the practical implecations of any changes they ve ever made, we just recieve the information and the date to make the changes, that is why they have to do so much backtracking when ever they come up with something new, which does happen pretty often.

Sorry to contradict you but they did consult, a letter was sent by peasant (Mod) on behalf of campervan owners on boards ame we were all encouraged to write giving our views.

A letter was received telling us that our views had been taken on board.

Just gone through my file. Letter was received by me on the 28 Nov 2010 and dated 22 Nov 2010.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 12:41am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I'm sure that the law regarding campervans will have to be tweeked at some time for various things such as interior inspection to make sure no waste water flows out, at the moment no mention of displaying test cert discs on the windscreen because we don't have them yet, but they are going to bring them in.

If any other points are brought, by enough people, to the attention of the RSA who knows what could change.

discs are to in by next year, thats why the tax office system isnt been changed to accomadate the 2 year certs, certs wont be givin by test centres, they be posted to the vehicle owner from rsa-loughrea,
just guessing because of the area you are from, but is your contact j mc d

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 12:46am

Pjwal wrote: »

discs are to in by next year, thats why the tax office system isnt been changed to accomadate the 2 year certs, certs wont be givin by test centres, they be posted to the vehicle owner from rsa-loughrea,
just guessing because of the area you are from, but is your contact j mc d

Yes, I posted a while ago that discs were coming in next year.

I don't have his surname to hand. First name only.
I've posted a lot of information on here that has come from him.

Perhaps I should have kept my area secret, the way others do.
But on the other hand I've nothing to hide.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 12:50am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Sorry to contradict you but they did consult, a letter was sent by peasant (Mod) on behalf of campervan owners on boards ame we were all encouraged to write giving our views.

A letter was received telling us that our views had been taken on board.

Just gone through my file. Letter was received by me on the 28 Nov 2010 and dated 22 Nov 2010.

not everybody that owns a motorhome is on boards.ie.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 12:51am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Yes, I posted a while ago that discs were coming in next year.

I don't have his surname to hand. First name only.
I've posted a lot of information on here that has come from him.

Perhaps I should have kept my area secret, the way others do.
But on the other hand I've nothing to hide.

thats fair enough, i was just been noesy, i prob should'nt have asked.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 12:55am

Pjwal wrote: »

not everybody that owns a motorhome is on boards.ie.

Sorry, I didn't realise that:rolleyes:.

I was just pointing out that some sort of consultation was done by them.

Perhaps peasant or someone can recall how it came about that we were involved?.

I'll try looking back at old threads.

Slidey · 11-03-2012 1:02am

Oh, i remember this argument before.

Just to educate this dumb poster, exactly how does the park brake work on these alko campers? Drum, disk, magnet?

These are just trailing axles with atorsion type set up?

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 1:07am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't realise that:rolleyes:.

I was just pointing out that some sort of consultation was done by them.

Perhaps peasant or someone can recall how it came about that we were involved?.

I'll try looking back at old threads.

ok. i offered them my motorhome to look at questionable changes that were made to the axle weights and gvw a few weeks before testing started, they declined saying it was not an issue, but now after one week of testing-its an issue on many motorhomes.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 1:15am

Slidey wrote: »

Oh, i remember this argument before.

Just to educate this dumb poster, exactly how does the park brake work on these alko campers? Drum, disk, magnet?

These are just trailing axles with atorsion type set up?

who are you educating?

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 1:31am

With regard to the RSA not informing people about a consultation going on.

The first mention of a test being proposed, that I can find on here, was a thread started on 21/07/09. This meant some people had heard about it and were, presumably, talking about it before then.

When I heard about it on boards I contacted the RSA and received a reply on the 24/11/09 informing me that they wished to consult with all interested parties on the various issues.

After that whenever I was parked up and talking to other owners the subject always came up.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 1:33am

Pjwal wrote: »

ok. i offered them my motorhome to look at questionable changes that were made to the axle weights and gvw a few weeks before testing started, they declined saying it was not an issue, but now after one week of testing-its an issue on many motorhomes.

If you've got the paperwork, where they declined your offer, that's a nice hammer to hit them with!!.

Slidey · 11-03-2012 1:38am

Pjwal wrote: »

who are you educating?

Myself.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 1:56am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

If you've got the paperwork, where they declined your offer, that's a nice hammer to hit them with!!.

no paperwork i am afraid. it was verbal with rsa rep doing an inspection on test centre, and also with the autherising officer for our area, who i showed the plate to because i had the camper at work with me on a day that he called. i tried to get involved in discussions with them from when we first heard about the introduction of testing of campers which would have been in around 2009 as you said, because of owning one(that doesnt have youth on its side) and been a tester, i felt i had something to offer. i didnt know about the alko axles manufacterer stating about useing a different procedure for testing thier park brake, we tested 2 of them yesterday with no probs, i ll continue to try to get the rsa to look deeper in that, until then, they have to be tested same as everything else.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 2:05am

Slidey wrote: »

Myself.

they dont look any different a set up then any other axle with disc brakes, i cant see whats making them different to look at them, the one thing i would say is the whole axle is a light weight flemsey looking thing that i wouldnt have a whole of faith wight, they are usually just a 4 inch round pipe with a 6 inch extinshion welded into the middle of them, and they are fitted into cut out grooves in the chassis to hold them in plase with a few bolts, they are trailer axles made to fit, nearly homemade looking, oh and yes, a torsion or leaf suspension, with light shocks outside the chassis rail, the stub axles are on bearings like a citroen berlingo set up, i would hate to get a puncture on one because you have to jack them seriously high before the wheel is off the ground.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 2:09am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

With regard to the RSA not informing people about a consultation going on.

The first mention of a test being proposed, that I can find on here, was a thread started on 21/07/09. This meant some people had heard about it and were, presumably, talking about it before then.

When I heard about it on boards I contacted the RSA and received a reply on the 24/11/09 informing me that they wished to consult with all interested parties on the various issues.

After that whenever I was parked up and talking to other owners the subject always came up.

yes, i v spoken to other owners about it at sites also, its just from previous experience and dealings with the rsa on other new testing requirements that they dont discuss/consult near enough, and regulary get it wrong, but who are we to argue eh!

Aidan_M_M · 11-03-2012 2:11am

Assuming it's a Ducato based vehicle , regardless of whether it's single or double rear-axle(s) , the actual braking mechanism is all Standard fiat ducato . wheel bearing , bub , caliper , disc (drum on older vehicles) etc . And if it's twin axle , there is just a second cable attached to the central pull cable/rod . And the axles look quite substantial to me , I can't see how you'd bend one without harming the chassis .

Slidey · 11-03-2012 2:13am

Pjwal wrote: »

they dont look any different a set up then any other axle with disc brakes, i cant see whats making them different to look at them, the one thing i would say is the whole axle is a light weight flemsey looking thing that i wouldnt have a whole of faith wight, they are usually just a 4 inch round pipe with a 6 inch extinshion welded into the middle of them, and they are fitted into cut out grooves in the chassis to hold them in plase with a few bolts, they are trailer axles made to fit, nearly homemade looking,

Exactly.

There is no earthly reason they cannot be tested on a rolling road. I have tested them before and didn't need to call in a 15 man clean up team to tidy the test lane after they exploded and showered the place with shrapnel.

Had this discussion here before, you are wasting your time trying to reason.

i do agree the chassis does not look like it could be pulled down, that is no longer an issue though it the testing is being done on presented weight

Aidan_M_M · 11-03-2012 2:16am

one thing I will add , is that the Disc braked axles haven't as solid feeling a handbrake as the drum braked ones , and I certainly wouldn;t trust one as an emergency brake . They need to be properly adjusted , not just tightened at the handbrake cable.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 2:32am

Slidey wrote:

Pjwal wrote:

they dont look any different a set up then any other axle with disc brakes, i cant see whats making them different to look at them, the one thing i would say is the whole axle is a light weight flemsey looking thing that i wouldnt have a whole of faith wight, they are usually just a 4 inch round pipe with a 6 inch extinshion welded into the middle of them, and they are fitted into cut out grooves in the chassis to hold them in plase with a few bolts, they are trailer axles made to fit, nearly homemade looking,

Exactly.

There is no earthly reason they cannot be tested on a rolling road. I have tested them before and didn't need to call in a 15 man clean up team to tidy the test lane after they exploded and showered the place with shrapnel.

Had this discussion here before, you are wasting your time trying to reason.

i do agree the chassis does not look like it could be pulled down, that is no longer an issue though it the testing is being done on presented weight

Well as I said before. I tied down a good few of them and pulled the brake to full potential and had no probs, I don't see why the manufacterer says not to. But if the manufacterer hasn't enough confidance in it's own product to withstand that, then due consideration should be givin to that.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 2:37am

Aidan_M_M wrote:

Assuming it's a Ducato based vehicle , regardless of whether it's single or double rear-axle(s) , the actual braking mechanism is all Standard fiat ducato . wheel bearing , bub , caliper , disc (drum on older vehicles) etc . And if it's twin axle , there is just a second cable attached to the central pull cable/rod . And the axles look quite substantial to me , I can't see how you'd bend one without harming the chassis .

No, it's no ducato componants. It's a replacement axle fitted when an alko chassis is used. But I still can't see why it's not tested as standard.

Morgan The Moon · 11-03-2012 8:30am

Pjwal wrote: »

not everybody that owns a motorhome is on boards.ie.

That is part of my point. If we are to follow the European model, does anybody think they will introduce part year taxing! Incidentally consider the revenue collected across the board off Motorhome owners in the state and ask what state provided facilities are provided for us in comparison to our European counterparts. I'm all for testing etc. But just do it right!

Malta1 · 11-03-2012 8:43am

Another happy camper here.....got van DOE done yesterday at VTN centre in Ardcavan Wexford. Failed on dip lights......the tester told me where to get Beam Benders and that I should not try to fit them, rather bring them back to him and he would do them for me.
Purchased benders and not only did he fit them, he also got out the spanners to slightly adjust the headlight level. Left with a pass cert and a smile

Well done to the guys in the test centres that are going beyond what they need to do

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 9:48am

Malta1 wrote: »

Another happy camper here.....got van DOE done yesterday at VTN centre in Ardcavan Wexford. Failed on dip lights......the tester told me where to get Beam Benders and that I should not try to fit them, rather bring them back to him and he would do them for me.
Purchased benders and not only did he fit them, he also got out the spanners to slightly adjust the headlight level. Left with a pass cert and a smile

Well done to the guys in the test centres that are going beyond what they need to do

See. We are not the enemy:-)

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 2:32pm

Just purely out of interest as I've nothing better to do until the rugby comes on. Good win yesterday.
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Has anyone got a camper that was manufactured in 2002 and tested between the 1st of Jan last year and the 30th of April this year?

If so I'm just wondering what the score is with regard to the test cert.
If the answer to the above question is yes, then you had it tested when it was 9 years old, and you would have been entitled to a cert for 2 years, BUT as it becomes 10 years old this year you need a test every year!.

What do you do? do you have it tested again and lose a year on the cert that you have or do you get a years grace?.

Answer on a post card please to...............

Aidan_M_M · 11-03-2012 2:55pm

Pjwal wrote: »

See. We are not the enemy:-)

I agree , but I have to clarify the issue with axles and brakes on Al-Ko chassis . I've been working on them for 10 years+ , and have worked on older ones and new ones , and haver NEVER seen anything other than Fiat components on a Ducato base vehicle , used for the brakes . Yes the actual axle beam is Al-ko , as are the dampers and springs( torsion bars to be more correct) , but any I've seen still had the Fiat hub and brakes mounted to the swing arm.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 8:21pm

Aidan_M_M wrote:

Pjwal wrote:

See. We are not the enemy:-)

I agree , but I have to clarify the issue with axles and brakes on Al-Ko chassis . I've been working on them for 10 years+ , and have worked on older ones and new ones , and haver NEVER seen anything other than Fiat components on a Ducato base vehicle , used for the brakes . Yes the actual axle beam is Al-ko , as are the dampers and springs( torsion bars to be more correct) , but any I've seen still had the Fiat hub and brakes mounted to the swing arm.

Ok. I v never been inside the hub. So if it is ducato brakes, what is the problem that alko have with testing the brakes, fiat have no problem with it.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 8:24pm

Irishgoatman wrote:

Just purely out of interest as I've nothing better to do until the rugby comes on. Good win yesterday.
.
Has anyone got a camper that was manufactured in 2002 and tested between the 1st of Jan last year and the 30th of April this year?

If so I'm just wondering what the score is with regard to the test cert.
If the answer to the above question is yes, then you had it tested when it was 9 years old, and you would have been entitled to a cert for 2 years, BUT as it becomes 10 years old this year you need a test every year!.

What do you do? do you have it tested again and lose a year on the cert that you have or do you get a years grace?.

Answer on a post card please to...............

I am afraid, as I understand it. In that case you will only get the year. It would be the same as doing an nct on your car 3 month after it's due date. It will just lose that amount of time before it is due again.

Morgan The Moon · 11-03-2012 9:40pm

Aidan_M_M wrote: »

I agree , but I have to clarify the issue with axles and brakes on Al-Ko chassis . I've been working on them for 10 years+ , and have worked on older ones and new ones , and haver NEVER seen anything other than Fiat components on a Ducato base vehicle , used for the brakes . Yes the actual axle beam is Al-ko , as are the dampers and springs( torsion bars to be more correct) , but any I've seen still had the Fiat hub and brakes mounted to the swing arm.

Hi Aidan, My original query is not the testing of the brakes ie the disk brake operation. My query is the parking brake testing procedure of a Tagg Axel Al-ko chassis. It would be extremely helpful if you where able to clarify what you consider the correct procedure would be. Many Thanks, Moc

Morgan The Moon · 11-03-2012 9:56pm

Malta1 wrote: »

Another happy camper here.....got van DOE done yesterday at VTN centre in Ardcavan Wexford. Failed on dip lights......the tester told me where to get Beam Benders and that I should not try to fit them, rather bring them back to him and he would do them for me.
Purchased benders and not only did he fit them, he also got out the spanners to slightly adjust the headlight level. Left with a pass cert and a smile

Well done to the guys in the test centres that are going beyond what they need to do

Hi, I thought "beam benders" where a temporary product used for enabling a visiting motorist a "temporary solution to a problem". Visiting motorist could be you in a foreign country, or a visitor coming here from another country requiring "temporary" beam benders" if your vehicle is registered in Ireland then the lights would surely have to permanently corrected. That is of course if it was done correctly. It would mean new headlight units. The same situation could be considered if you turned up for a test with a hole in the exhaust, I bet your man would not fit a "temporary" bandage to get you through. It is encouraging to hear that you where helped, enjoy your travels.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 10:09pm

Morgan The Moon wrote:

Malta1 wrote: »

Another happy camper here.....got van DOE done yesterday at VTN centre in Ardcavan Wexford. Failed on dip lights......the tester told me where to get Beam Benders and that I should not try to fit them, rather bring them back to him and he would do them for me.
Purchased benders and not only did he fit them, he also got out the spanners to slightly adjust the headlight level. Left with a pass cert and a smile

Well done to the guys in the test centres that are going beyond what they need to do

Hi, I thought "beam benders" where a temporary product used for enabling a visiting motorist a "temporary solution to a problem". Visiting motorist could be you in a foreign country, or a visitor coming here from another country requiring "temporary" beam benders" if your vehicle is registered in Ireland then the lights would surely have to permanently corrected. That is of course if it was done correctly. It would mean new headlight units. The same situation could be considered if you turned up for a test with a hole in the exhaust, I bet your man would not fit a "temporary" bandage to get you through. It is encouraging to hear that you where helped, enjoy your travels.

I think your correct that they are ment as a tempory solution. But I can't imagen too many people are going to buy new headlights. I would imagen that alot of people will just remove the beam benders as soon as they have to drive at night as they do decrease brightness a bit. But that's just my opinion. One of my headlights is LHD and the other is RHD. Maybe that's the way to go.

Irishgoatman · 11-03-2012 11:30pm

Pjwal wrote: »

I am afraid, as I understand it. In that case you will only get the year. It would be the same as doing an nct on your car 3 month after it's due date. It will just lose that amount of time before it is due again.

I'm afraid that you are mixing two things up here.

If you have a Car,tested 3 mths after its due date, that means that you have been driving illegally for 3 mths. That is very obvious.

What is not obvious is where if anywhere have you read, I certainly haven't seen it, that although you have a cert that is valid for 2 years you must ignore the second year if this brings your vehicle over 10 years old and have another test done?.

Yes it has been clearly stated that cars, and now campers, over ten years old must have an annual test, but nothing has been said concerning the anomily that I pointed out and was looking for an answer for.
It is very easy/obvious to say that you have to have it tested again but where is the rule that states?.

I am hoping that someone in that position will have the/an answer.

Morgan The Moon · 11-03-2012 11:42pm

Pjwal wrote: »

I think your correct that they are ment as a tempory solution. But I can't imagen too many people are going to buy new headlights. I would imagen that alot of people will just remove the beam benders as soon as they have to drive at night as they do decrease brightness a bit. But that's just my opinion. One of my headlights is LHD and the other is RHD. Maybe that's the way to go.

I love it!! Why didn't the manufacturers think of that. You should patent it quick.

Pjwal · 11-03-2012 11:44pm

Irishgoatman wrote:

Pjwal wrote:

I am afraid, as I understand it. In that case you will only get the year. It would be the same as doing an nct on your car 3 month after it's due date. It will just lose that amount of time before it is due again.

I'm afraid that you are mixing two things up here.

If you have a Car,tested 3 mths after its due date, that means that you have been driving illegally for 3 mths. That is very obvious.

What is not obvious is where if anywhere have you read, I certainly haven't seen it, that although you have a cert that is valid for 2 years you must ignore the second year if this brings your vehicle over 10 years old and have another test done?.

Yes it has been clearly stated that cars, and now campers, over ten years old must have an annual test, but nothing has been said concerning the anomily that I pointed out and was looking for an answer for.
It is very easy/obvious to say that you have to have it tested again but where is the rule that states?.

I am hoping that someone in that position will have the/an answer.

Sorry, I do understand your question, but I am not good at putting into words what I mean. As far as I can gather from the info we ve been given, firstly all certs are only valid for 12 months, but a special concession been given for a 12 month extinshion on certs for campers less then 10 years old. And if the camper reaches it's 10th birthday on a date that occurs before the 1st anniversary of the test date. Then the camper will not have the benfit of the concession of the second year.
But that is my opinion/interpetation to which I am open to correction.
And I have not seen mention of that sinario on paper.

Irishgoatman · 12-03-2012 12:15am

Pjwal wrote: »

Sorry, I do understand your question, but I am not good at putting into words what I mean. As far as I can gather from the info we ve been given, firstly all certs are only valid for 12 months, but a special concession been given for a 12 month extinshion on certs for campers less then 10 years old. And if the camper reaches it's 10th birthday on a date that occurs before the 1st anniversary of the test date. Then the camper will not have the benfit of the concession of the second year.
But that is my opinion/interpetation to which I am open to correction.
And I have not seen mention of that sinario on paper.

Sorry but you are wrong again.
Please don't take this the wrong way but you need to read the details of the test again.

All campervans are to be treated the same way as cars as far as the frequency of testing is concerned.

Every 2 years until the vehicle is 10 years old and thereafter yearly.

The consession that's being given is for people who had a camper, that was under 10 yrs old, tested pre 1st March and would at that time have been issued with a 1 year cert.

Pjwal · 12-03-2012 12:28am

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Sorry but you are wrong again.
Please don't take this the wrong way but you need to read the details of the test again.

All campervans are to be treated the same way as cars as far as the frequency of testing is concerned.

Every 2 years until the vehicle is 10 years old and thereafter yearly.

The consession that's being given is for people who had a camper, that was under 10 yrs old, tested pre 1st March and would at that time have been issued with a 1 year cert.

no sorry,and i am not meaning to be argumentitive, but the cert bit, i do know for sure, because the council software has not been updated, when you take your pass statement from the test centre and pay your e6 or e13 to change it for a crw, the date of expirey on the crw will state 12 months minus 1 day from the day the vehice was tested, but the law are still accepting that is valid for 24 months once the vehicle is less then 10 years old.

Pjwal · 12-03-2012 12:30am

Morgan The Moon wrote: »

I love it!! Why didn't the manufacturers think of that. You should patent it quick.

thanks, i might just do that:D

OuterBombie · 12-03-2012 10:22am

Hi Lads,

I've pulled my van out of winter storage and spend some time over the weekend doing some spring cleaning and trying to detract from the constant "to-do" list for the van.

In doing some external pre-checks for before the DOE (lights, etc), I spotted the following issue with my exhaust (see attached pic).

I don't remember seeing this before but I imagine the end rusted and then must have gotten a knock.

Would I need to get this resolved for the DOE? If so, any idea's where I'd pick up an end for an exhaust (2001 Fiat Ducato, 2.8JTD).

Thanks,

OB.

Irishgoatman · 12-03-2012 11:19am

OK Pjwal,
I still think you are missing the point so I'll ask the question in another way and see if anyone else responds.

Camper van are now to be tested along with the same test periods as cars, so, did anyone here have a 2002 registered car go through its NCT in 2011?

If so were you issued with a 2 year cert, as you were for the previous tests or a 1 year cert ?.

Morgan The Moon · 12-03-2012 2:17pm

OuterBombie wrote: »

Hi Lads,

I've pulled my van out of winter storage and spend some time over the weekend doing some spring cleaning and trying to detract from the constant "to-do" list for the van.

In doing some external pre-checks for before the DOE (lights, etc), I spotted the following issue with my exhaust (see attached pic).

I don't remember seeing this before but I imagine the end rusted and then must have gotten a knock.

Would I need to get this resolved for the DOE? If so, any idea's where I'd pick up an end for an exhaust (2001 Fiat Ducato, 2.8JTD).

Thanks,

OB.

Hi, you might find a stainless steel "tail" piece. Try Halfords or somewhere similar. You could look at Halfords on line. It may be of some use to you.

OuterBombie · 12-03-2012 2:21pm

Morgan The Moon wrote: »

Hi, you might find a stainless steel "tail" piece. Try Halfords or somewhere similar. You could look at Halfords on line. It may be of some use to you.

Sound, thanks.

Pjwal · 12-03-2012 7:43pm

OuterBombie wrote: »

Sound, thanks.

yes, put on a stainless steel end, from halfords of most motorfactors, or straighten up the end of it with a hacksaw and and just spay it up with some high temperature paint. but i think you need some new rubbers for hanging the silencer, more of a chance of failing on that really

Macspower · 12-03-2012 10:01pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

OK Pjwal,
I still think you are missing the point so I'll ask the question in another way and see if anyone else responds.

Camper van are now to be tested along with the same test periods as cars, so, did anyone here have a 2002 registered car go through its NCT in 2011?

If so were you issued with a 2 year cert, as you were for the previous tests or a 1 year cert ?.

my mondeo is 2002 and i got it tested in april 2011 and I have a 2 year cert afaik.

Irishgoatman · 12-03-2012 11:34pm

Macspower wrote: »

my mondeo is 2002 and i got it tested in april 2011 and I have a 2 year cert afaik.

Thanks Macspower, just the sort of person I was looking for.

If you have the full cert document, the one that included the screen disc at the bottom, look just above the disc itself and you will see the expiry date.
Does it read 2012 or 2013 ?.

jpogorman · 13-03-2012 7:28am

Hello, I'm due to get a service of the gas system in my Fiat Bustner. Do the new rules have any specific requirements here? should I be requesting some conformance certificate as part of the service?

Thanks

OuterBombie · 13-03-2012 10:22am

Pjwal wrote: »

yes, put on a stainless steel end, from halfords of most motorfactors, or straighten up the end of it with a hacksaw and and just spay it up with some high temperature paint. but i think you need some new rubbers for hanging the silencer, more of a chance of failing on that really

Ha! I was wondering would anyone spot the replacement "liveband" which is holding up the silencer!

I'll have to hunt down a new rubber band for that so. Thanks for the heads up.

bluethunder · 13-03-2012 10:56am

jpogorman wrote: »

Hello, I'm due to get a service of the gas system in my Fiat Bustner. Do the new rules have any specific requirements here? should I be requesting some conformance certificate as part of the service?

Thanks

The new guidelines make specific reference to gas. They will not be checking it at all but this may change in the future.

Gas installations fitted to Motor Caravans will not be checked as part of the test; however this
will be reviewed in the future to perhaps require a declaration of conformance for the vehicle’s
gas installat to get a service%

DoE testing - The Last Word

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