Sites Using Pyro

c-90 wrote: »

just because i have a difference in opinion

Sorry mate, but you cant really have a difference of opinion when it comes to the law. As much as you may not like the law, or as much as the law may not make sense to you, it is the law. There are more constructive ways to changing the law if you don't like it, other than blatant disobedience.

As a site who is on the last hurdle of securing our pyrotechnic license I felt I should share my input.

We have been going through the motions of securing our license since last June. It has been the most stressful process we have had since we started and its still not completely over yet. The amount of criteria, for storage, import, usage; the recommended site safety procedures and equipment; the sites security issues; forms, documents and other relevant stamps and approvals from emergency services not to mention the red tape could leave some lost in a sea of imaginary booms, flashes and smokey haze.

Having played legally with pyro in the North and in the UK on plenty of occasions before, where you can literally throw them into small rooms full of players* and not be worried as to the players safety inside; this can seem to some as if we have been handed a bit of a harsh sentence here. They are reasonably safe devices and very little serious injury's tend to occur, even though I have witnessed some minor incidents over the years. However the laws in this country (probably something to do with our history of anything that can go boom, bang, spark; or that can even be manipulated to do so) are what they are.

As a site operator I can't imagine putting my site at risk of closure and/or prosecution for using pyro without the legal requirements. I cant tell you how happy I would be to display the final paperwork to anybody interested considering the effort spent on obtaining it. I imagine anybody who has gone through the hoops would happily do the same.

I'm not trying to vilianize any other course of action here, I'm just letting you know where I stand personally.

Anyways, I hope anybody who does ANYTHING related to the sport of airsoft does so with respect and consideration for the sport. Any sort of prosecution, public accusation, AEG seizures etc. no matter how innocent they may turn out to be, are in no way helping airsoft progress, grow and mature as a reputable sport in this country.

Just in addition, I believe the site in question may just have overlooked some aspects of using pyro, which in a sense, can easily happen. All i'll say is do the homework, act responsibly, and go for it if you want it. The more legal and responsible use of pyro we get here may just get us even a few baby steps closer to having a similar set up to the UK... in about 20 years or so...

Time for bed...

*minus smoke though, in the games I have been to at least.

Let it be known this is a rant:
When are we going to get to play Hard-Core airsoft in this country. I for one try to work hard at the skills of airsoft, expect for pyros of course, sure after all, people keep telling me it a sport.
Can you believe it that some sites don’t allow Thunder B’s. God help us when we send a team to the Airsoft world championship if one exist. Those countries who train like professionals will kick out butts with their ability to pyro a building full of lads, set bubby traps, use distraction devices and lay cover using smoke. When they train they do it right, you don’t hear, don’t touch me with that plastic knife or, you will hurt my eardrum if that Thunder B goes off in a Porto cabin.
I would like applaud Borderlands for making the effort to get us the punter some were interesting to go and play. Its time to stop the bickering and start coming up with some useful solutions to the problem. Airsoft is now an industry and has a contribution to the local community and tax base. So if we start from here surely there is a workable solution be to found which will allow sites the use of pyros and rubber knives. I admit the knife issues is gong to be the harder nut to crack.
Mann the F**k Up and fight for the sport.

Jimkil wrote: »

Let it be known this is a rant:
When are we going to get to play Hard-Core airsoft in this country. I for one try to work hard at the skills of airsoft, expect for pyros of course, sure after all, people keep telling me it a sport.
Can you believe it that some sites don’t allow Thunder B’s. God help us when we send a team to the Airsoft world championship if one exist. Those countries who train like professionals will kick out butts with their ability to pyro a building full of lads, set bubby traps, use distraction devices and lay cover using smoke. When they train they do it right, you don’t hear, don’t touch me with that plastic knife or, you will hurt my eardrum if that Thunder B goes off in a Porto cabin.
I would like applaud Borderlands for making the effort to get us the punter some were interesting to go and play. Its time to stop the bickering and start coming up with some useful solutions to the problem. Airsoft is now an industry and has a contribution to the local community and tax base. So if we start from here surely there is a workable solution be to found which will allow sites the use of pyros and rubber knives. I admit the knife issues is gong to be the harder nut to crack.
Mann the F**k Up and fight for the sport.

What do you regard as "Hard Core Airsoft".

TheDoc wrote: »

If I run out of BB's I'll cut my dick off and tap your shoulder to get the knife kill....

And this is relevant how exactly?

Off topicness outside of off topic madness warning issued.

TheDoc wrote: »

Its relevant because of the coin phrased "hardcore"....

Chill out bro

Im most perfectly relaxed. anyway pyro good once paperwork and everything is all above board.

Found this if anyone is interested.http://corporate.nca.ie/eng/Business_Zone/Product_Safety_and_Recalls/Fireworks/Fireworks-general-public-info-leaflet-3-Sept-2010.pdf

Of course there is a wrong way to play airsoft.....

Steve wrote: »

Your point being?

That saying

but nobody is wrong if they choose to play the way they feel comfortable playing .

is majorly flawed...

I figured the point was pretty obvious....

1) Cheating
2) Aggresive
3) Milsim game, "doing your own trick" and not engaging in the command structure
4) Signing up for a milsim game and having issues taking orders
5) Go to a milsim game with a group of players and completely do your own thing outside of the command structure.

To name but a few

3-5 are just as bad and day ruining as 1-2. And they happen regularly.

And they can easily be interpreted as " O well I'm playing the way I feel comfortable " .

Dogwatch wrote: »

Blaming inexperienced or ill informed players is just passing the buck.

I've often been to a Milsim where even though the snotty brat was tolled there was an exact structure to the game they still pissed off and did the lone wolf and was left sitting in a ditch crying for the medic that was never going to come

Now I also prefer the lone wolf style of play but I ask before hand I don't just tell the section I've been assigned to best of luck and run off

Before I get an earful I prefer this play style because I can move quicker and act quicker without having to worry about letting others know where Iam going or leaving someone's flank exposed

Iam an impulsive person and will act on opertunities as they present them selfs also during games where there's a take and hold objective it's always handy to have someone behind the lines harassing the enemy drawing their attention away

Also why does this thread have 12 pages??? :pac:

sliabh wrote: »

Dogwatch wrote: »

3, 4, and 5 can and should be dealt with through education with senior , more expericence players taking a lead in running and explaining how it works. Sadly these more experienced players tend to just bawl out other players, ignore them and play their own game and bitch about how the others spoiled the day.

Blaming inexperienced or ill informed players is just passing the buck.

In my experience informing less experienced players only works when they want to be informed. Quite often (say about half the time) they don't want to hear and just want to do their own thing, or they totally fail to understand the need for some sort of structure (chain of command for want of a better term) in these more mil-sim type games.

If I am picked as a unit leader then I will try to organise things. But I have inexperienced players, who nobody put in a leadership position, trying to give "orders" and getting totally ignored (quite rightly).

The problem usually boils down to people not understanding what the more involved games involve. These are not run and gun skirmishes. Expect to spend time doing nothing, expect to take orders and expect to follow a tighter set of rules. If you can't do that, then these are not the games for you.

I have often found games to be just like R.D.F - hurry up and wait

I always refuse the leadership role as I know Iam not capable and would rightly muc it up but that being said 9/10 time you will end up with a hot head who will absolutely believe they are sh*t hot and to me are the most annoying thing in a Milsim and often leads to everybody just turning off radios and dissolving the game into the average skirmish

Dogwatch wrote: »

@ Sliabh If some players do not understand what is going on, then either the briefing is lacking or the other players are not helping enough. This takes a bit of effort, sometimes giving up a bit of playing time to help them understand.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. And sometimes you just can't get people on board, because this is not the type of game they are looking for. No amount of hand holding will change the minds/behaviour of some people.

Dogwatch wrote: »

Jsmurff wrote: »

I have often found games to be just like R.D.F - hurry up and wait

I always refuse the leadership role as I know Iam not capable and would rightly muc it up but that being said 9/10 time you will end up with a hot head who will absolutely believe they are sh*t hot and to me are the most annoying thing in a Milsim and often leads to everybody just turning off radios and dissolving the game into the average skirmish

@ Sliabh If some players do not understand what is going on, then either the briefing is lacking or the other players are not helping enough.
This takes a bit of effort, sometimes giving up a bit of playing time to help them understand.

@Jsmurff Why do you refuse the leadership role??? How do you know you are not capable of doing it. Often it is the younger more experienced players who can motivate the loners. You let the hot head assume leadership and then go about sabotaging his efforts instead of stepping up and trying to assist.

Too many players take the individual route and do their own thing instead of playing for team and guiding the other members of the team to focus and achieve the objectives. It is not just up to the team leader to make it work.

Mil-sim is a different environment than weekend skirmish. It requires more effort to make it work but, sadly, not everyone is prepared to put the effort in to achieve it.

I see where your comming from but I just don't want to have the responsibility or the hassle of trying to organise the entire team partly because Iam lazy

But I am pretty much a loner in all walks of life it's what I've become accustomed to and I just feel comfortable in that role

The main reason why I like mil-sim is because of the ammo restriction nothing worse then facing 20 odd guns that can be physically used to write ones ne in mid air

Jsmurff wrote: »

@c-90 there's being a prat and being a lone wolf. If your attracting tones of fire then that's just running around like a muppet

My understanding of a lone wolf is one of a reconasense role moving undercover and observing and then mixing in gorilla tactics to harass the opposition

Acting as a scout implies working for the larger group; which is not what the 'Lone Wolf' behavioural trait actually is.

Being lazy, I've lifted the below quote from the Wikipedia page on the Lone Wolf trait;

When applied to military or security groups, it refers to someone who frequently acts on their own accord, insists on working alone, refuses to work with most of if not all members of the group and/or goes against the plans of missions/operations and attempts to complete said task alone.

Jimkil wrote: »

Went to Rammstein @ the O2 last night. I have never seen so many pyros at an indoor event.
Not even at Sennybridge. So if these guys can find ways to throw fire firecrackers, and use flamethrowers and smoke safely in an arena packed with 20k worth of people why can’t we get the use of the sparklers that can be bought in More Street.
Someone figure out the answer and come back to me with a solution to this problem.

I can tell you the reason why they were allowed....do I really need to ? I'm assuming you were using it to make a point

Please tell me you know why a stage show can use pyrotechnics....please ****ing god...