Secret Diary of a Dublin Call Girl

neuro-praxis · 18-02-2012 01:47AM #1

http://secretdiaryofadublincallgirl.wordpress.com/

This was linked to by JuliusCaesar in the other thread currently running about prostitution ("Would you?"), but I felt it is such compelling reading for Irish women that it deserved a re-post here.

panda100 · 18-02-2012 09:57AM

Her blog piece on the review section is soo spot on! Why can't this get published in a book. 100% more accurate than that nonsense book thats on the shelves at the moment.

Hollypop · 18-02-2012 10:25AM

I'm watching a similar program on Netflicks. It's fantastic. The uk one.

ted1 · 18-02-2012 10:28AM

Haha, different thing. The blog is of a Dublin girl.

CarMe · 18-02-2012 12:26PM

Oh wow so far i think it's a brilliant blog but can someone tell me how to read it from the beginning and not from most recent post?

Acacia · 18-02-2012 02:44PM

I clicked on the link from the other thread and ended up abandoning the thread completely to read this girl's blog. She's a very good writer and what she wrote about has stayed with me for days. Very interesting and sad- it made feel guilty for being rather complacent about this issue.

Stripey Cat · 18-02-2012 09:35PM

I haven't read every entry on the blog, but from I can gather she wasn't forced in prostitution, was she? Maybe I missed something.

fatmammycat · 19-02-2012 01:02AM

Stripey Cat wrote: »

I haven't read every entry on the blog, but from I can gather she wasn't forced in prostitution, was she? Maybe I missed something.

So what, she doesn't say she was 'forced', in fact she writes very well of her reason to work as she does.

Fenian Army · 19-02-2012 03:13PM

How do we know it is legit?

Please don't read anything into the question and take it at face value.

krankykitty · 19-02-2012 05:50PM

We don't.. But in that case, how do we know when any anonymous account of anything is legit? Including that book out at the moment "Between the Sheets" which the blog talks about. Does it matter? It's another point of view, or experience that I'm sure some sex workers would share.

Babybuff · 19-02-2012 06:03PM

great read, great writer..inspirational.

BarackPyjama · 19-02-2012 06:39PM

krankykitty wrote: »

Does it matter?

Yeah, I'd say whether it's fact or fiction does matter quite a lot. It's an interesting read though... but I'm a bit skeptical about its authenticity.

krankykitty · 19-02-2012 06:48PM

What parts of it do you doubt, just curious?

Even if its a complete work of fiction I'm sure the issues that the blog raises could possibly be what other sex workers experience on a day to day basis? Or at least some of them.

BarackPyjama · 19-02-2012 06:59PM

krankykitty wrote: »

What parts of it do you doubt, just curious?

Well the fact that she's essentially painting the majority of her customers as sex-crazed, violent and depraved lunatics for one.

I'd imagine that the majority of men who use prostitutes are probably sad and lonely middle-aged individuals who can't get sex elsewhere. Rather than being filthy, depraved and violent sex monsters. I'm open to being wrong about that but I'd assumed that was the case and that's where the majority of the demand for prostitution came from?

krankykitty wrote: »

Even if its a complete work of fiction I'm sure the issues that the blog raises could possibly be what other sex workers experience on a day to day basis? Or at least some of them.

Probably. As I said, it's an interesting read but I do get the whiff of an 'agenda' from it. There seems to be a fair amount of anti-prostitution stuff going around in the media so it wouldn't surprise me - plus her articles only go back as far as January 14th. The timing is pretty coincidental.

Piste · 19-02-2012 07:23PM

Whether it's authentic or not, this blog is absolutely heartbreaking.

The_Thing · 19-02-2012 07:39PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

filthy, depraved and violent sex monsters.....

If you want to see what a filthy, depraved and violent sex monster is then look at Larry Murphy, as far as we know not one of the women he is suspected of killing was a prostitute. There wouldn't be a single woman in Ireland selling sex of her own free will if all the clients were anything like Murphy. If you want a truer picture of a typical client of street workers then look at the profiles of the men arrested in Limerick.

BarackPyjama wrote: »

...but I do get the whiff of an 'agenda' from it.
...her articles only go back as far as January 14th. The timing is pretty coincidental.

I am in no doubt that there is an agenda and that whiff you get is wafting all the way from Ruhama HQ.

And the timing is not accidental at all as the public consultation on prostitution is to begin shortly.

sambuka41 · 19-02-2012 07:41PM

At worst it is a combination of several people's experiences. Personally I find her account more believable than the Between the Sheets.

BarackPyjama · 19-02-2012 07:47PM

The_Thing wrote: »

I am in no doubt that there is an agenda and that whiff you get is wafting all the way from Ruhama HQ.

And the timing is not accidental at all as the public consultation on prostitution is to begin shortly.

Aye, that was my suspicion alright. The piece is very aggressively written and the pseudo-psychology the author uses to explain her entry into the world of escorting, as well as to admonish her own responsibility and demonise men who use prostitutes, is pretty questionable IMO.

Personally, I'm not all that interested in seeing prostitution legalised. There are arguments for and against I suppose but, by and large, I can't see much good turning Dublin into a new Amsterdam. I just wish that there could be an open and honest debate about the issue, ideally one which involved actual sex workers who do so of their own free will, instead of all of this propaganda, smoke and mirrors.

The_Thing · 19-02-2012 08:01PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Aye, that was my suspicion alright. The piece is very aggressively written and the pseudo-psychology the author uses to explain her entry into the world of escorting, as well as to admonish her own responsibility and demonise men who use prostitutes, is pretty questionable IMO.

Personally, I'm not all that interested in seeing prostitution legalised. There are arguments for and against I suppose but, by and large, I can't see much good turning Dublin into a new Amsterdam. I just wish that there could be an open and honest debate about the issue, ideally one which involved actual sex workers who do so of their own free will, instead of all of this propaganda, smoke and mirrors.

The way I see it is this:

[1] Human trafficking and forced prostitution is already illegal in Ireland.

[2] Pimping is already illegal in Ireland.

[3] Paedophilia \ Underage sex is already illegal in Ireland.

The only thing left is sex for money between consenting adults and Ruhama - having been founded by nuns no less - now want to impose their morals on everyone else whether it be workable or not.

krudler · 19-02-2012 09:28PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Aye, that was my suspicion alright. The piece is very aggressively written and the pseudo-psychology the author uses to explain her entry into the world of escorting, as well as to admonish her own responsibility and demonise men who use prostitutes, is pretty questionable IMO.

Personally, I'm not all that interested in seeing prostitution legalised. There are arguments for and against I suppose but, by and large, I can't see much good turning Dublin into a new Amsterdam. I just wish that there could be an open and honest debate about the issue, ideally one which involved actual sex workers who do so of their own free will, instead of all of this propaganda, smoke and mirrors.

does she give a reason why she became a prositute? havent read the entire blog just a few of the entries

Babybuff · 19-02-2012 09:35PM

krudler wrote: »

does she give a reason why she became a prositute? havent read the entire blog just a few of the entries

said she had been raped at 16 and after that (with the loss of self esteem) found herself mixed up an older man (30's) who would willingly pay her to perform acts but not actually have sex. She felt it gave her a sense of self worth,that someone was willing to value her albeit in a monetary way.

strandroad · 19-02-2012 09:37PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Well the fact that she's essentially painting the majority of her customers as sex-crazed, violent and depraved lunatics for one.

She must have had hundreds if not thousands of punters, probably the degrading ones are the ones that stay in mind. She seems to be writing quite a lot, she might get round to describing "daddies and uncles" next. Also, even a relatively well-mannered customer may feel degrading for one reason or another (personal hygiene for example, or not sticking to the bargain re: choice of acts).

I don't have the feeling that she is aligned with Ruhama; her conclusions might be similar but in my opinion she is coming from a different place. She seems very sharp and in a way very damaged; I hope she's on the mend.

strandroad · 19-02-2012 09:41PM

krudler wrote: »

does she give a reason why she became a prositute? havent read the entire blog just a few of the entries

She seems to have been abused by a sort of a paedophile ring when she was a teen; an older man started paying her for some services and renting her out to his associates. She had been raped before and so was vulnerable to this grooming and then abuse. Prostitution was a continuation of this but she was not forced into it, she seems to have amassed a lot of issues as a result of this earlier abuse.

BarackPyjama · 19-02-2012 09:42PM

krudler wrote: »

does she give a reason why she became a prositute? havent read the entire blog just a few of the entries

Not a credible one. She claims that because she was abused by an older man as a teenager, it was easy for her to transition into prostitution - despite making efforts, and succeeding, to get that man out of her life.

Then she describes a kind of multiple personality disorder to explain why she continued with the profession. Then, by the time she got around to writing her articles, she seems to have found out the truth of the situation - that she, all the while, was a completely innocent victim and that her customers were mostly evil manipulators and abusers of women. These are not the thoughts of a woman who willfully entered into prostitution as a grown adult - and very much the same line that Ruhama are pushing.

Having read her articles a little more, I have definitely come to the conclusion that this isn't authentic. In one comment, she calls the author of 'Between the Sheets' a 'stupid f**king bint'. Pretty incredible. What's even more pathetic than men visiting prostitutes is that someone would be such a fantasist as to make up such a story.

19-02-2012 09:45PM

mhge wrote: »

I don't have the feeling that she is aligned with Ruhama; her conclusions might be similar but in my opinion she is coming from a different place. She seems very sharp and in a way very damaged; I hope she's on the mend.

The very first post on the blog has a "Ruhama" tag

Babybuff · 19-02-2012 09:47PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Not a credible one. She claims that because she was abused by an older man as a teenager, it was easy for her to transition into prostitution - despite making efforts, and succeeding, to get that man out of her life.

Then she describes a kind of multiple personality disorder to explain why she continued with the profession. Then, by the time she got around to writing her articles, she seems to have found out the truth of the situation - that she, all the while, was a completely innocent victim and that her customers were mostly evil manipulators and abusers of women. These are not the thoughts of a woman who willfully entered into prostitution as a grown adult - and very much the same line that Ruhama are pushing.

Having read her articles a little more, I have definitely come to the conclusion that this isn't authentic. In one comment, she calls the author of 'Between the Sheets' a 'stupid f**king bint'. Pretty incredible. What's even more pathetic than men visiting prostitutes is that someone would be such a fantasist as to make up such a story.

actually as someone who has survived abuse I find her words resonate with me. It's not difficult to understand why she went where she did in her head, the fact is that for many women our experience of men is one which only values women in terms of their sexual gratification and in order to feel "worthy" as it were, it's easy to sustain this kind of thinking.

krudler · 19-02-2012 09:47PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Not a credible one. She claims that because she was abused by an older man as a teenager, it was easy for her to transition into prostitution - despite making efforts, and succeeding, to get that man out of her life.

Then she describes a kind of multiple personality disorder to explain why she continued with the profession. Then, by the time she got around to writing her articles, she seems to have found out the truth of the situation - that she, all the while, was a completely innocent victim and that her customers were mostly evil manipulators and abusers of women. These are not the thoughts of a woman who willfully entered into prostitution as a grown adult - and very much the same line that Ruhama are pushing.

Having read her articles a little more, I have definitely come to the conclusion that this isn't authentic. In one comment, she calls the author of 'Between the Sheets' a 'stupid f**king bint'. Pretty incredible. What's even more pathetic than men visiting prostitutes is that someone would be such a fantasist as to make up such a story.

I was gonna say if she wasnt part of some sex trafficking ring or pimped to pay a debt or something then...well why do it for years willingly, sounds like she had a pretty sh1t experience with men previous to that though (if its genuine)

strandroad · 19-02-2012 09:53PM

28064212 wrote: »

The very first post on the blog has a "Ruhama" tag

And a "pimps" tag. I doubt she's a pimp, or a nun...

strandroad · 19-02-2012 09:55PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Having read her articles a little more, I have definitely come to the conclusion that this isn't authentic. In one comment, she calls the author of 'Between the Sheets' a 'stupid f**king bint'. Pretty incredible. What's even more pathetic than men visiting prostitutes is that someone would be such a fantasist as to make up such a story.

She has a post on why exactly she finds the book not to be believable, by comparing it with her experience. Might explain the remark quite a bit.

BarackPyjama · 19-02-2012 10:05PM

mhge wrote: »

She has a post on why exactly she finds the book not to be believable, by comparing it with her experience. Might explain the remark quite a bit.

Her claims of victimisation and her new found sense of wholesomeness and empathy are kind of in conflict with the amount of bile that she spouts towards all and sundry. Which was kind of my point.

I don't think this thread is necessarily about debating whether her writing is genuine of the fantastic ramblings of someone who is very much against the legalisation of prostitution so I won't mention it again. Suffice to say - I don't find it at all convincing.

rainbow kirby · 19-02-2012 10:06PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Suffice to say - I don't find it at all convincing.

We get this, you don't need to keep repeating yourself.

Secret Diary of a Dublin Call Girl

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