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  • #62
    Faolchu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    OzCam wrote: »

    Anyone who had one would be delighted to show it off. Framed.

    i would have thought it would be a requirement to display such a cert if you were licensed to use pyro.


  • #63
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Lemming wrote: »
    The out patients have been given a day out I see.

    I have never - and I repeat - NEVER, been to a site in the UK (where pryo is the legal norm) that allowed the use of smoke pyro indoors. Funnily enough because of the strong intensity of fumes pumped out, the strong potential for player injury due to obstructed vision, and the very real possibility of aggrivating existing respitory conditions in some players.

    So what makes you think that it's a case of "man up", or do the rules of common sense not apply? Or are you just Matt Damon?

    Further, any site that has a cert wouldn't have a problem furnishing it now would they?

    the outpatients? ok...

    its clear the caliber of tampon, i mean player that im talking to is the kind that gets sick everytime he sees a woman.

    a smoke grenade in a warehouse sounds fun to me and 99% of players ive ever played with would have no complaints. (asuming it was legal)

    ive personally used them in subterranean/indoor settings and been fine and so have the rest of the people i was with and that was a controlled military exercise. there is the obvious discomfort of being imersed in smoke but thats why you have screening before and after a exercise/game

    if it offends you so much that i think running through smoke is acceptable in a game with prior screening then report me but dont use petty insults on an internet forum. it just draggs the thread down and makes you look bad.

    as for the site having to display there permit on here thats still rediculous. no matter how you word it not one person on this forum has the authority to request to see it, if you have concerns call the local garda station or ask them in private. this is not a place of authority or naming and shaming. get over yourselfs.:)


  • #64
    Faolchu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    c-90 wrote: »

    as for the site having to display there permit on here thats still rediculous. no matter how you word it not one person on this forum has the authority to request to see it,.

    they shouldnt have to display it here or on any internet forum but i would assume they would need to display it on their actual site and anyone should have a right to request to see their authorisation to use such devices once they are in use in the airsoft site.


  • #65
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    c-90 wrote: »
    its clear the caliber of tampon, i mean player that im talking to is the kind that gets sick everytime he sees a woman.
    c-90 wrote: »
    dont use petty insults on an internet forum. it just draggs the thread down and makes you look bad.

    Pot, Kettle, Black.


  • #66
    OzCam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    Faolchu wrote: »
    i would have thought it would be a requirement to display such a cert if you were licensed to use pyro.

    No, it's a requirement to produce the Importation Certificate to the Guards & FB when asked. The DoJ might not want it displayed, they tend to worry about them falling into the wrong hands.

    Displaying your pyro training & qualification certs* should be a no-brainer.
    thermo wrote: »
    what about a licence to store?

    I understand that it takes 18 months or more to get the paperwork for storage.


    * Along with your Fire, First Aid, Insurance, Child Protection certs & preface to Safety Statement.


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  • #67
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,162 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    c-90 wrote: »
    *rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb*

    I'm alright cause I'm Jack

    FYP.


  • #68
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    c-90 wrote: »

    'its clear the caliber of tampon, i mean player that im talking to is the kind that gets sick everytime he sees a woman. '


    'ive personally used them in subterranean/indoor settings and been fine and so have the rest of the people i was with and that was a controlled military exercise. '
    A, He must be sick a lot, as he's my other half. And don't call people tampons, unless you're willing to own up to being a Diaper.

    B, A controlled military exercise falls under different rules, regulations, and codes of practice to a GAME of airsoft. One is training for war, another is playing soldiers.

    If you don't understand the difference, I hereby take away your rifle, and issue you your highly ally specialforces/sas/delta assault padded stick. Use it wisely.


  • #69
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Firekitten wrote: »
    A, He must be sick a lot, as he's my other half. And don't call people tampons, unless you're willing to own up to being a Diaper.

    B, A controlled military exercise falls under different rules, regulations, and codes of practice to a GAME of airsoft. One is training for war, another is playing soldiers.

    If you don't understand the difference, I hereby take away your rifle, and issue you your highly ally specialforces/sas/delta assault padded stick. Use it wisely.


    oh yea because i forgot we sign out disposable lungs :rolleyes:

    of course theres a huge difference. but there should be no difference between my lungs and the next guys and if there is all he has to do is put his hand up and say "im not comfertable doing this" then he waits until the smoke is gone. not force people who are willing to expose them selfs to comply with his rules.


    whats next wearing peltors because the aegs have a loud clacking sound.


  • #70
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Faolchu wrote: »
    they shouldnt have to display it here or on any internet forum but i would assume they would need to display it on their actual site and anyone should have a right to request to see their authorisation to use such devices once they are in use in the airsoft site.

    maybe they do? maybe if you went there they would show it to you.


  • #71
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    c-90 wrote: »
    oh yea because i forgot we sign out disposable lungs :rolleyes:

    of course theres a huge difference. but there should be no difference between my lungs and the next guys and if there is all he has to do is put his hand up and say "im not comfertable doing this" then he waits until the smoke is gone. not force people who are willing to expose them selfs to comply with his rules.
    Actually you do. Its called a respirator... often used if you're going to smoke a building then go in.

    Plus, most airsoft sites, EVEN in the UK where pyro is far more common, do not permit smoke in buildings... Why?

    Airsoft allows Asthmatics and others with respiratory problems to take part. So its not complying with 'his' or 'your' rules. Its not discriminating against those with either health issues, or those that don't WANT health issues.


    Plus the only loud clacking sound is coming from a poster, not an aeg.


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  • #72
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Firekitten wrote: »
    Actually you do. Its called a respirator... often used if you're going to smoke a building then go in.

    Plus, most airsoft sites, EVEN in the UK where pyro is far more common, do not permit smoke in buildings... Why?

    Airsoft allows Asthmatics and others with respiratory problems to take part. So its not complying with 'his' or 'your' rules. Its not discriminating against those with either health issues, or those that don't WANT health issues.


    Plus the only loud clacking sound is coming from a poster, not an aeg.

    oh lordy.

    *well i didnt have a respirator so i dont know what that was about,

    *because they all share the same veiws as you? i still disagree with it


    as i said before. your not going to change my veiw on it. i think it is acceptable to run through a smoke in an enclose enviroment as long as theres a way out and people have been warned/ screened. hell i even think its fun.

    its just like when you go to the cinema and they warn you about flashing imaging. or minimum heights on rides. thats discrimination too then.


  • #73
    Faolchu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    c-90 wrote: »

    its just like when you go to the cinema and they warn you about flashing imaging. or minimum heights on rides. thats discrimination too then.

    actually its not, its far from it. its a safety measure. the ferris wheel is not discriminating agaimnst those that are vertically challanged, they are sayin that this ride has been designed for people above a certain height and if you are below that height it is unsafe for you to use it. same with teh cinema they are warning those with photosensitive epelepsy that they may suffer side effects. that is not discroimination thats plain commn sense and i'm pretty sure a requirement.

    as for teh maybe they do display it statement, you clearly said that no person has a right to request to view the license, i simply pointed out that IMO it should be clearly visible and if it was not visable then any person on that site has a right to inspect the license to ensure the site they are about to play on is fully compliant. I'm pretty sure there's a health and safety requirement within ireland that if there are any materials that could be combustable there must be a safety statement and possible an MSDS (think thats what its called) there for inspection.


  • #74
    andy_g
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Leave the insults at the door please other option challenge someone at the thunderdome found here
    >http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=484

    Two user's enter only one leaves.


  • #75
    Stonewolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭Stonewolf


    Getting back on topic, I think what we've figured out so far is that the OP should have called the local station and asked if the site had a pyro licence.


  • #76
    _ricochet_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭_ricochet_


    Stonewolf wrote: »
    Getting back on topic, I think what we've figured out so far is that the OP should have called the local station and asked if the site had a pyro licence.

    Who said I didn't.


  • #77
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    The question was asked on their FB page yesterday, and never answered.

    It looks like they have yanked the photo (and the question) now as I can't see them any more.

    Read into that what you will.


  • #78
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    self editing


  • #79
    bullets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    Firstly I've seen Photos and youtube videos in the past with
    Smoke Pyro's being used in more than one Irish Airsoft site.
    Fact of the matter is that its happened and still happens.
    I'm not going to go on a google hunt to provide proof but we all know its happened and if you deny it yer fooling yerself. Its not 1 site
    its happened its sites that it could happen all across Ireland.

    I dont know personally anyone involved with the running of the Limerick site
    mentioned. I've not been there but was at some stage planning on checking the place out.

    It looks from photos to be a pretty awesome venue and being indoors and huge looks great which huge potential. so I hope its successful but
    any jack the lad type antics will just ruin the reputation of the place.
    I have to admit I am getting uncomfortable feelings if there is any doubt about things being totally 100%
    legit above board and perfectly legal.
    For me I dont want to be at a site where the gardai feel the need to get called out like another poster mentioned,
    and I dont want to have doubts about the place being completely above board/insured and safe/legal.

    on the facebook page of the site other posters have mentioned.
    Photo was deleted, Comments asking about if they had certs etc also deleted.
    The photo was deleted from the wall last night. The photo itself and comments
    associated with it seems to have disappeared today.

    I've seen a few comments and banter elsewhere on face book with regards
    to pyros and the same website which these pyros were ordered from
    "justpaintball.ie" who seem to have no issues posting to anyone in southern Ireland, which pretty much says there are people out there
    ordering pyros and using them and knowing full well that they are not legal to use and still using them.

    I'm not against Pyro BTW, I would be Pro Pyro Use in airsoft by responsible
    adults "IF" everything was completely Legally done.

    But if there is any risk factor to me as a customer where something goes wrong and a site is not legit/insured or the gardai decide to raid the place
    I dont feel comfortable parting with my money and risking any small chance of someone in law enforcement deciding they want to seize my guns via association.


    ~B


  • #80
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,445 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    This whole thread boils down to this for me:

    Licenced pyro use: Great

    No licence? Fcuk off
    ----
    If you don't have a licence don't use pyro..for airsoft's sake. If you absolutely insist on using pyro illegally..don't post about it on social networks, keep your illegal activities to yourself, don't make the rest of us look bad.



    Disclaimer: This is a general post and is not aimed at any one party, be they named/alluded to or otherwise.


  • #81
    bullets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    Puding wrote: »
    self editing


    Go on Puding....you know you want to! self edit back to what your were going to post after a few drinks :P:P:P:P:P:P

    ~B
    (Just kidding)


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  • #82
    andy_g
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    bullets wrote: »
    Go on Puding....you know you want to! self edit back to what your were going to post after a few drinks :P:P:P:P:P:P

    ~B
    (Just kidding)

    Already read it :D hehe


  • #83
    gerrowadat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Paintball sites in Ireland have been using pyro for years, I visited one a few years back on a non-game day, what looks like those smoke grenades are routinely used in-game (by marshals).

    It was claimed that a letter from a super was sufficient. I was shown one. So much of Irish law is covered under 'a letter from a super' that it'd probably wash with anyone who cared to inspect (which let's face it, is going to be someone reporting to a super anyway).


  • #84
    Jsmurff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    Stonewolf wrote: »
    Getting back on topic, I think what we've figured out so far is that the OP should have called the local station and asked if the site had a pyro licence.

    OP is in Waterford and site is in Limerick and as the RTE news pointed out their communications system is pants


  • #85
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Faolchu wrote: »
    actually its not, its far from it. its a safety measure. the ferris wheel is not discriminating agaimnst those that are vertically challanged, they are sayin that this ride has been designed for people above a certain height and if you are below that height it is unsafe for you to use it. same with teh cinema they are warning those with photosensitive epelepsy that they may suffer side effects. that is not discroimination thats plain commn sense and i'm pretty sure a requirement.

    as for teh maybe they do display it statement, you clearly said that no person has a right to request to view the license, i simply pointed out that IMO it should be clearly visible and if it was not visable then any person on that site has a right to inspect the license to ensure the site they are about to play on is fully compliant. I'm pretty sure there's a health and safety requirement within ireland that if there are any materials that could be combustable there must be a safety statement and possible an MSDS (think thats what its called) there for inspection.

    i could say the same about the smoke in a game, but frankly this discussion is boring me. i still dont think its too much to use smoke indoors once you tell people and ask if anyone isnt comfertable doing so. call it discrimination call it lack of commen sence call it whatever you want. i will still think its acceptable now leave it at that

    as for the nobody HERE having the right to ask to see the they dont, if your on the site you may have but im talking about this forum. to be technical even if u DID go there and ask to see it, its more than likely not your right to ask to see it, but they would of course be moraly obligated to show it to you.

    from the evidence on fb and this thread the site probably doesnt have one, but its STILL nobody on this forum or has the right to ask them to show the permit. this isnt one of those states where your guilty until proven innocent and even if it was, it wouldnt be anyone on boards duty to prove it.


  • #86
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    of course we have the right to ask, we can not force anyone to do anything but as customers or prospective customer of course you have the right to ask, it is then up to the retailer/site in question to choice is the post it or not ( or make it available in person )

    personally if they do not want to either comment on it or provide evidence I would consider that my answer

    Force someone to do something - No
    Ask someone to do something - Yes


  • #87
    c28omzk7ihsxv0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭c28omzk7ihsxv0


    I'm not going to say where, and I'm not saying I'e used any but I have been to several Paintball sites in Ireland and they all allow Pyro, not just by marshalls but by the players too. On site even sold smoke grenades.

    In fact I went to an outdoor lasertag game once and they were handing out free smoke grenades, like each person got one included with their ticket. This was right beside a road as well.


  • #88
    c28omzk7ihsxv0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 878 ✭✭✭c28omzk7ihsxv0


    Stonewolf wrote: »
    The fact is that pyros are illegal. Full stop. If a site has gone to a lot of trouble to get certified then well done to them, let's see some proof, let's also see proof from every single marshal on duty that they are also personally certified because anything less would be reckless, and not forgetting proof that all the players using them are certified because it's the law. Let's see proof that they were imported legally and not sold to the players on site (that would also be illegal). Let's see some evidence of a safety brief/warning being given to non pyro using players regarding pyros being in use because that's prudent.

    The fact is it may be a stupid law, but for the good of the game we will all follow it because the last thing we want is a perception of our beloved hobby as people who ignore the law where it suits them.

    Would I play on a site that had non legal pyros? No, because who knows what other laws (like the 1J one) they might be ignoring. I've never come across pyros being used on a site and hope I never will because my response will be to phone the Guards, no ifs, no buts, no maybes.



    WRONG. If you see a crime being committed it is your duty to report it immediately.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but god, think of the greater good. Let's say a site was using Pyro, legally but sold a smoke or whatever to a player illegally. What would happen if you rang the Gardai? The site would be shut down and then there would be a load of media attention aimed at airsoft and how "Dangerous" i is or how we are training future IRA members. Take the stick out of your ass mate :rolleyes:

    The way you'd deal with it is that you'd talk to the owner of the site and tell him how he is breaking the law. If worst comes to worst tell him that you may have to ring the Gardai, you may be hated by that particular person but you save our beloved sport from the limelight (Which generally doesn't do it much favors)


  • #89
    thermo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,440 ✭✭✭✭thermo


    c-90 wrote: »

    as for the nobody HERE having the right to ask to see the they dont, if your on the site you may have but im talking about this forum. to be technical even if u DID go there and ask to see it, its more than likely not your right to ask to see it, but they would of course be moraly obligated to show it to you.
    people do have the right to ask, if people are going to make the journey and spend hard earned cash to play at a site, they are entitled to ask questions to put their mind at rest that things are 100% legit.

    the idea that you put forward, shut up pay your money, man up and deal with it because i think its fun,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is laughable.


  • #90
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    A case of inhaleing too much smoke during large scale subterranean military exercise's ;) .
    And as were consumer's we Do have given rights
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  • #91
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    c-90 wrote: »
    ive personally used them in subterranean/indoor settings and been fine and so have the rest of the people i was with and that was a controlled military exercise. there is the obvious discomfort of being imersed in smoke but thats why you have screening before and after a exercise/game

    I'm gonna assume you're talking about a mil ex ran over here.

    Thinking off the top of my head, there's only one real location where using smoke while in a subterranean setting would be feasible and even then, it's solely because it's fairly open ended and well vented from windows etc.

    I don't even get why people would want to use smoke while indoors. It completely slows everything down, especially at a time when you need momentum and speed.

    Not to mention, you're dealing with a mil ex, with soldiers... Not a sport.
    c-90 wrote: »
    of course theres a huge difference. but there should be no difference between my lungs and the next guys and if there is all he has to do is put his hand up and say "im not comfertable doing this" then he waits until the smoke is gone. not force people who are willing to expose them selfs to comply with his rules.

    Well you see, that's the magic of it. It's safe to say your lungs are completely different from anyone you interact with.

    Someone who has never experienced being caught in a smoke cloud given off by a smoke grenade may not know they have underlying respiratory problems. Cue them getting a bad dose of smoke and anything could happen. Simply saying "Is everyone alright with this?" and hoping for the best, it doesn't cut it.

    This attitude of "Sure it's a bit of smoke" is ridiculous. I've been in gas chambers filled with CS gas and made demask and the coughing, burning throat feeling you get from that is nearly the exact same as being caught in a thick smoke cloud. Being caught in a confined space with a smoke grenade isn't anything to shrug off.
    Lemming wrote: »

    Speaking from personal experience, the heat generated in putting out smoke from a grenade is intense. I know this because I have had the misfortune to have smoke pyro ignite whilst in a pouch on my belt, resulting in so much heat being generated that a pistol - in self same pouch - was destroyed, with enough heat transferring through the pistol and the thick material of the pouch against my hip and burning a perfect imprint of the pistol onto my trousers.

    I've seen a smoke grenade go off inside a daysack before. After managing to stop the smoke in roughly a minute, the daysack was emptied. In that single minute, the heat from the grenade had managed to melt and destroy a radio, batteries and NVE.

    That's military grade equipment, ruined, after rougly a minute of exposure to the heat from the grenade.


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